Lmao, Stanley cup contender with no team defense or goaltending.
Vegas Golden Knights defeat Edmonton Oilers 4-2 - Advance to WCF
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No 1D either. Ekholm is a good 2nd pairing guy and Nurse is a #4 on any real Cup contender - the guy is dumb as hell. He’s paid like a #1 though, so Oilers fans make themselves believe he is one.
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Top 4 followed by top 8. Seems like the definition of a contender
This is important for everyone commenting on the series and who barely watched any of the games. The Eichel line was very opportunistic while Edmonton's top 3 lines were snakebitten.
That doesn't mean the oilers deserved to win but the idea that they were outplayed heavily at 5 on 5 this series is just a fraudulent claim. This is exactly why we use advanced stats, because there's always some moron who looks at an individual stat like +/- (5v5 goal share in this case) and makes an incorrect and stupid claim without considering anything else (as in goaltending performance or shot attempts/high danger chances in this case).
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The object of the game is to score more goals than you allow. If you're outscored 18-9 at even strength, the primary and most common game state, you were outplayed. The opponent played the game better than you. It's really that simple.
And with a margin that drastic, I think heavily outplayed is a completely fair descriptor of what occurred. Over one game excuses like but puckluck but goalie but expected goals have more merit than they do over an entire series.
btw the deserve-to-win-o'meter website had the Calgary Flames as SC favorites before and for much of the season. So clearly their algorithm might need some work.
And with a margin that drastic, I think heavily outplayed is a completely fair descriptor of what occurred. Over one game excuses like but puckluck but goalie but expected goals have more merit than they do over an entire series.
btw the deserve-to-win-o'meter website had the Calgary Flames as SC favorites before and for much of the season. So clearly their algorithm might need some work.
Well, they didn't win a single game last year, so I don't really count that as a top 4.
But you need better defensive play and goaltending to be a contender. Oilers just are not there.
Where’s the Oilers’ #1 goaltender like Holtby? Where’s the Oilers’ #1 D like Carlson?
Two massive holes in the roster and they have no way to acquire players like the above pair. No cap space, no quality expendable assets.
Oilers window has closed.
Bouchard is trending actually a lot like Carlson.
But sure keep telling yourself the "window has closed" if it helps you sleep better at night.
I’m the one telling myself things that aren’t true?
I'll enjoy watching the best hockey player in the world, you can enjoy clenching your butt so tight it'll turn coal into a diamond hoping the best player fails, lol, whatever floats your boat.
Actually his PPG in the playoffs is among the highest in NHL history, you should know you got and up close and personal view of it as he dismantled the Calgary Flames franchise like a one man wrecking crew just 11 months ago.
I’ve never hoped he fails. He’s my favourite player. But I’m a realist, and EDM doesn’t have the pieces around him to get it done in the playoffs. They’re also in cap hell and don’t have the necessary assets to get the pieces they need, so…
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So, you're saying advanced stats are for fans of teams that lose and want to be able to say, "They should have won".
Got it.
Scoreboard; that's all that matters. Ever.
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With this reductive reasoning the window was probably never open in your mind anyways
So they were 4th place out of 4 teams. I have no idea what kind of logic is required to come to the conclusion they were not in the top 4. Even if you want to say they didn't win a game in round 3, there were only 4 teams that won 8 games. The rest either won 7 or less, hence, they did not make it to the third round. Trying to lump them with the others is either some strange cope to come to the conclusion that winning 1 round is equal to 2 rounds, or something else entirely.
They need to improve and execute better but being in the situations they've been in shows they are contending.
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Really? You don't count it as a top 4? What a big surprise.
I guess I completely dreamt the part where we marched right past the "2nd best in the west" Flames on the way to the semi-finals? Strange, I thought that series determined (quite decisively I might add) who would advance to the final four.
Well you were telling yourself that McDavid was going to score only 120 points this year, like he always does, and hung on to that opinion until he had about 110 points with 25 games left to play. So you're not the most objective guy when it comes to the Oilers.I’m the one telling myself things that aren’t true?
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Well at least McDavid and Draisaitl can hang a "Beat the Calgary Flames that one time" banner on their way out of Edmonton. That's not nothing.
That’s not what objective means. Being doubtful about something McDavid hadn’t ever done before, and something that hadn’t happened in 30 years? Seems like a pretty logical position at the time. There’s a quote about optimists and cynics you should look up. Can’t fault people either way really. I’m sure someone can dig up plenty of things you ended up be wrong about.
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NHL Playoffs All-Time Points per Game Leaders
NHL players who hold the all-time record for the most points per game in NHL playoffs. All-time playoff points per game leaders for NHL players.
www.quanthockey.com
3rd and 4th ALL TIME in points per game in the playoffs.
And before you say "but it's all power play" you should know that the following players (from the same list) scored the same or higher percentage of their playoff points on the power play: Lemieux, Bossy, Kucherov, Sakic, Beliveau, Stevens, Pastranak, Hawerchuk, Leetch, Coffey, Malkin, Sittler, Nichols, Getzlaf.
I see at least 7 Conn Smyth winners among that list... almost as if power play points also impacted the game.
Agree, it's a great starting point as far as this fan is concerned. I felt entertained (as I did witnessing our 5 Lord Stanleys).
Sure you can find plenty of stuff I've been wrong about. I don't talk about those subjects with such conviction after the fact.
You don't like the Oilers. You don't want them to succeed, and your opinion is colored with that bias.
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Starting point? McDavid just finished his 8th season
MJ had won two championships in that time and would win another in his 9th. Brady had three Superbowls.
McDavid has three years left under contract with Edmonton. If the Oilers can't build a championship team around him it will go down as a contender for the biggest failure in professional sports history.
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