Speculation: Vegas cap reduction need

[Seven0two]

There's a pretty obvious solution to the cap issues that doesn't involve trying to keep Eichel out or trying to trade away a solid piece to make cap space. Dangle a 2nd round pick to the Ducks for Ryan Kesler's $6,875,000 LTIR eligible contract. While there are so many players on LTIR they could easily fit his salary and place him on LTIR as well so that as the core players start to come back from their injuries they simply have to send guys back down to the AHL and they'll be fine.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Vegas will be hard pressed to make the playoffs but the way Vancouver is playing, Vegas should be okay.
The team is gonna look quite different next year, gotta free up cap.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Given the Boychuk deal, why didn't they trade down a contract or two with Buffalo? Take an ELC or minimum contract for someone deemed expendable?

Buffalo probably prefers Boychuk. He has 6M cap hit but much less than 6M in actual salary.

 

[MikeyMike01]

There's a pretty obvious solution to the cap issues that doesn't involve trying to keep Eichel out or trying to trade away a solid piece to make cap space. Dangle a 2nd round pick to the Ducks for Ryan Kesler's $6,875,000 LTIR eligible contract. While there are so many players on LTIR they could easily fit his salary and place him on LTIR as well so that as the core players start to come back from their injuries they simply have to send guys back down to the AHL and they'll be fine.

Trading for a LTIR contract only helps if they move salary in the other direction.

 

[Seven0two]

Trading for a LTIR contract only helps if they move salary in the other direction.

How so? As far as I'm aware, the only stipulation is that the player you're trading for has to fit under your cap before he can be placed on LTIR. Vegas currently has about $30m in LTIR contracts meaning that they could conceivably trade for Kesler and fit his salary under the cap and the place him on LTIR. That way, then everyone else gets healthy, Vegas would be able to essentially go up to $88.375m with Kesler on LTIR.

 

[CupInSIX]

No...

A tax cap needs to be introduced where tax is included after. A flat cap which is guaranteed money no matter where they player is going, but wherever they may go, taxes are included say they go to California/NY/Canada, but reduced if say they head to Florida/Nashville/Vegas/Seattle.

I see Winnipeg is unpopular because not only is it cold and high pressure, but the taxes in Manitoba are really high.

What do taxes have to do with the salary cap and trading for Eichel?

 

[MikeyMike01]

How so? As far as I'm aware, the only stipulation is that the player you're trading for has to fit under your cap before he can be placed on LTIR. Vegas currently has about $30m in LTIR contracts meaning that they could conceivably trade for Kesler and fit his salary under the cap and the place him on LTIR. That way, then everyone else gets healthy, Vegas would be able to essentially go up to $88.375m with Kesler on LTIR.

No. LTIR let’s you go over the cap, by the amount of the salary you put on LTIR… but the salary for that player still counts.

So if they pick up Kesler, they can go over the cap by 6.875M… including Kesler’s 6.875M. It’s a net zero.

They would have to trade a contract for Kesler for it to work.

Example, Tampa trading Tyler Johnson (5M) for Brent Seabrook (LTIR) gained 5M in space. The reason the LTIR contracts are even included is to balance the real-life salary costs. Tyler Johnson for a 7th would clear the same amount of space, but now Chicago is stuck paying both of those guys.

 

[jay from jersey]

Is there a chance Vegas looks to move Karlsson at the end of the season??
Don’t see stone/patches going anywhere,
With Eichel-Stephenson-Roy/Patrick-Howden???? Is it a possibility they move Karlsson to get some cheap young players in and his cap hit out?
I know they are high on Stephenson, and he costs about half the price of Karlsson..

with Gallant in NY and the rangers needing a 2C, I could see them going after Karlsson as a replacement for Strome at the end of the year.
Maybe 1 of the rangers D prospects+ kravtsov ?

 

[duckpuck]

So you're supposed to skate willy nilly at full pace without any rehab recovering from a labral tear? Thank God you're not a physician. But hey, he's hurt again clearly as a complication of that injury he was faking.

I didn't say that. But no one skates in practice for two months before returning to play. It sure is a lucky coincidence that he returned to full health just in time for the playoffs. Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining. Just own what happened - they got away with it and likely so will Vegas.

 

[BigZ65]

How so? As far as I'm aware, the only stipulation is that the player you're trading for has to fit under your cap before he can be placed on LTIR. Vegas currently has about $30m in LTIR contracts meaning that they could conceivably trade for Kesler and fit his salary under the cap and the place him on LTIR. That way, then everyone else gets healthy, Vegas would be able to essentially go up to $88.375m with Kesler on LTIR.

They would have had to hold this contract before they declared their initial roster. Now it would provide no benefit unless they sent cap out.

 

[CupInSIX]

Is there a chance Vegas looks to move Karlsson at the end of the season??
Don’t see stone/patches going anywhere,
With Eichel-Stephenson-Roy/Patrick-Howden???? Is it a possibility they move Karlsson to get some cheap young players in and his cap hit out?
I know they are high on Stephenson, and he costs about half the price of Karlsson..

with Gallant in NY and the rangers needing a 2C, I could see them going after Karlsson as a replacement for Strome at the end of the year.
Maybe 1 of the rangers D prospects+ kravtsov ?

No chance whatsoever. I'm surprised his name still comes up.

 

[wunderpanda]

doesnt seems bad at all for vegas. move ufa mcnabb (2.5m) when whitecloud is healthy. move ufa janmark (2m) when stone or maxpac is ready. move ufa smith (5m) when maxpac or stone are ready. thats 9.5m of the 11m they are using in ltir relief. easy enough to waive 2 guys making 750k when eichel is ready. then they start accruing space again before deadline.

 

[Daz28]

Given the Boychuk deal, why didn't they trade down a contract or two with Buffalo? Take an ELC or minimum contract for someone deemed expendable?

This is what I've been just thinking about. It's quite likely them and the Sabres are ahead in those possibilities/negotiations. I can see one GM offering another GM he won't be totally screwed if he makes the deal. I'd hope both franchises look at the deal as a breakthrought than a "whew got out of there with that one".

 

[wunderpanda]

Given the Boychuk deal, why didn't they trade down a contract or two with Buffalo? Take an ELC or minimum contract for someone deemed expendable?

maybe vegas can't risk trading anyone until maxpac, whitecloud & stone are healthy

 

[Northernhawk]

How about the Hawks ‘helping Vegas out’ yet again…

deHaan and Shaw(combined $8.3 million) with $2 million retained to Vegas for Smith, McNabb($5.5 million)and a 3rd rounder in 2023

Shaws’ $3.9 million to LTIR

 

[abbbaron]

No chance whatsoever. I'm surprised his name still comes up.

In light of the 'backstabbing' of Fleury, what makes Karlsson their sacred cow? Smith is pretty much already being put on notice that he's a goner, so how well does that sit with the other misfits? The guys aren't blissfully unaware of the team's cap situation and what happened with Fleury; bringing in this $10M prima donna means there are still some shoes to drop.
For my part, unless they really have no qualms about poisoning the water, I can't imagine Vegas will (again?) request Karlsson's no-trade list. With Karlsson still in tow and Eichel probably unable to keep his mouth shut about being fit and ready to go in Feb/March, at the very least it means Stephenson and Roy are getting demoted to 3rd line duty and/or shifted to the wing, which they can't be too thrilled about given how well they've acquitted themselves as top-six pivots. Inevitably multiple guys will be getting screwed

 

[Curufinwe]

Sitting out a great player till the playoffs only works if you're guaranteed a playoff spot.

 

[CupInSIX]

In light of the 'backstabbing' of Fleury, what makes Karlsson their sacred cow? Smith is pretty much already being put on notice that he's a goner, so how well does that sit with the other misfits? The guys aren't blissfully unaware of the team's cap situation and what happened with Fleury; bringing in this $10M prima donna means there are still some shoes to drop.
For my part, unless they really have no qualms about poisoning the water, I can't imagine Vegas will (again?) request Karlsson's no-trade list. With Karlsson still in tow and Eichel probably unable to keep his mouth shut about being fit and ready to go in Feb/March, at the very least it means Stephenson and Roy are getting demoted to 3rd line duty and/or shifted to the wing, which they can't be too thrilled about given how well they've acquitted themselves as top-six pivots. Inevitably multiple guys will be getting screwed

Huh?

He's needed. That's why he probably won't be traded. What a weird response.

 

[abbbaron]

Huh?

He's needed. That's why he probably won't be traded. What a weird response.

Is he needed more than compliance with the salary cap?

 

[TheNewEra]

i figure they are going to try and trade their backup for a cheaper one. That is probably the first move to make

 

[Stephen]

This would be the time when those teams that got burned by Vegas should demand a king's random for providing cap relief.

 

[CupInSIX]

This would be the time when those teams that got burned by Vegas should demand a king's random for providing cap relief.

How many years have we heard this, and it's never happened. They can demand whatever they want, there's 31 other teams in the league to trade with. Luckily they haven't burned NJ (except that one time...)

Is he needed more than compliance with the salary cap?

It's not an either/or thing.

 

[PAZ]

This would be the time when those teams that got burned by Vegas should demand a king's random for providing cap relief.

All it takes is one team

 

[Stephen]

I just want to see a little board room drama. A la Kevin Costner's Draft Day...

 

[abbbaron]

How many years have we heard this, and it's never happened. They can demand whatever they want, there's 31 other teams in the league to trade with. Luckily they haven't burned NJ (except that one time...)



It's not an either/or thing.

Of course not. But why is Karlsson @$6M/yr needed more than Stephenson @2.75 or Roy @.75 when those guys on the cheaper deals are holding their own just fine?