Speculation: Vegas cap reduction need

[TheNewEra]

sens need a dman badly, would take mcnabb and/or whitecloud

 

[centipede2233]

Eichel says he should be back before the playoffs. I’m sure Vegas management will tell him otherwise lol

 

[saintunspecified]

Every single team in the metro is going to annoy the hell out LV fans with proposals for Smith. Heck, maybe every team in the eastern conference.

 

[barriers]

Eichel says he should be back before the playoffs. I’m sure Vegas management will tell him otherwise lol

His cap hit will be the fraction of the season he plays. If he comes back for the last 10% of the season his cap hit will (more or less) be 10% of his annual salary though Vegas could still need to juke things around to fit in $1M depending how long Stone, Patches, Bishoff, and Karlsson (assuming he's shifted to LTIR soon) are out.

 

[zodiacbiller]

The guy that VGK should look to move is Marchessault. He would actually bring back positive value, and they would be able to replenish some of the picks/prospects that they have traded away over the last few years especially with the Eichel trade.

The guy that a team competing for a Stanley Cup should actually move is the guy who's actually still good.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

In the Pacific? Pretty weak, i think they'll be fine to be honest

Vegas is pretty much just like any other team in the Pacific with all these injuries. It's not going to be easy for them to stay within striking distance of a playoff spot with all they have out right now.

Knowing Vegas, they’ll sneak in the playoffs the last bit of the season getting the 8th seed, get healthy, then go on a 2021 version of that LA run.

Possibly but LA is a team that they're competing against to do that very thing. lol

 

[ElPrimeTime]

If they have Eichel, Stone and Pacioretty all healthy at the same time, they'd be roughly 8.8M over the cap. So I don't think there's much chance Eichel comes back before the playoffs.

This coming summer they'll have 3.6M in space (plus any cap increase) with a roster needing an additional 2 dmen and 4-5 forwards. If you fill those spots with players on 2 way contracts, they're off by roughly 2M.
And that's assuming they don't re-sign McNabb, Smith or Janmark. Next summer is certainly going to be interesting for Vegas.

To piggy back off of this, it will be easier in the offseason to trade a player like Dadonov, who will be in the last year of his contract. Patches is a candidate to be traded in the offseason too as he seems to always be on the trade block in the offseason and only has one year left at 7 mill.

 

[Perennial]

The guy that VGK should look to move is Marchessault. He would actually bring back positive value, and they would be able to replenish some of the picks/prospects that they have traded away over the last few years especially with the Eichel trade.

Obviously it depends on the picks/prospects coming back, but in theory I don't think Vegas should be looking to weaken their lineup by moving a significant player for the sake of picks/prospects...

They've built their roster to win-now... so they may as well do everything they can to win-now

 

[PAZ]

They'll shop Dadanov and see if/how much they need to attach to dump him. If it's too much, I imagine Rielly Smith gets traded for a 2nd+.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

With Eichel they're going to be 10 million over the cap if everyone is healthy. Nothing needs to be done unless Eichel is ready to play.

Although there is some speculation Stone might be out for the whole regular season. If that's the case they can punt the cap issues to the offseason.

Why would he be out whole year? Last I heard, he didn't require surgery for his knee injury. Usually that indicates a sprain or partial tear of something, which usually is anywhere from 4-12 weeks. Probably back by Post-Olympic break, or maybe earlier.

It really depends on when Eichel's back too. He seems to think he'll be back around Olympic break & sounds like he wants to play and not sit on LTIR.

Essentially, they'll likely have to do something between the Olympic Break & Trade Deadline (March 21). There's still 6 weeks of season left post-TD line.

Rielly Smith & Dadonov are the 2 likely candidates to go.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Why would he be out whole year? Last I heard, he didn't require surgery for his knee injury. Usually that indicates a sprain or partial tear of something, which usually is anywhere from 4-12 weeks. Probably back by Post-Olympic break, or maybe earlier.

It really depends on when Eichel's back too. He seems to think he'll be back around Olympic break & sounds like he wants to play and not sit on LTIR.

Essentially, they'll likely have to do something between the Olympic Break & Trade Deadline (March 21). There's still 6 weeks of season left post-TD line.

Rielly Smith & Dadonov are the 2 likely candidates to go.

Really the only info anyone has had on Stone's injury was Seravalli saying it's a back injury and there is concern from Vegas he may be out the whole year.

 

[tsujimoto74]

If Stone is getting Kucherov'd with Eichel's timeline, it's going to be tough for Vegas to make the playoffs.

Maybe if they played in a different division, but the Pacific has plenty of teams that even a depleted VGK should have little problem staying ahead of.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Maybe if they played in a different division, but the Pacific has plenty of teams that even a depleted VGK should have little problem staying ahead of.

I wouldn’t go that far. They’re not a good lineup with what they have out currently.

 

[Just Linda]

I count for next year (rounded)

9 forwards, 48 million
5 d, 23m
2 goalies, 7.5m

So that adds up to 78.5m roughly. Cap is gonna be 83.5m.

5m to add/sign 4 players.

With injuries they'll be fine.

 

[GuerinUp]

ill bite, whats the cost for karlsson

 

[sh724]

If Stone is getting Kucherov'd with Eichel's timeline, it's going to be tough for Vegas to make the playoffs.

I still see LV making the POs without issue. The Pacific isnt exactly a strong division

 

[sh724]

His cap hit will be the fraction of the season he plays. If he comes back for the last 10% of the season his cap hit will (more or less) be 10% of his annual salary though Vegas could still need to juke things around to fit in $1M depending how long Stone, Patches, Bishoff, and Karlsson (assuming he's shifted to LTIR soon) are out.

Its true that cap is calculated based on daily salary not AAV, however the issue is he is currently on LTIR and LV is currently over the cap. When Eichel comes off of LTIR the amount they are able to spend is decreased by Eichels cap hit. Since LV is relying on LTIR to be compliant they are not able to "bank" cap space.

I dont know the exact numbers off the top of my head to lets use hypothetical numbers. The current cap is $82.5MM, lets assume LV is currently using $5MM in LTIR to be cap compliant, therefore LV currently has cap of $87.5MM (again hypothetical not the actual amount). Say when Eichel comes off of LTIR he is owed $1MM for the remainder of the season. That means LV is no longer allowed to spend $87.5MM, they are allowed to spend $86.MM.

If LV did not have a total salary expenditures greater than the current cap the fact that Eichel would only be making $1MM would be of benefit to LV, but since they are using LTIR to be compliant Eichel coming back is a wash.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I still see LV making the POs without issue. The Pacific isnt exactly a strong division

It's not but at this point, they're no better than the rest of the teams competing for a spot.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Buffalo comes back and takes salary for more picks/prospects.

Adams plan all along.

#sneakygenius

 

[These Are The Days]

VGK trade for a guy and go $10 million over the cap and no one bats an eye. The Lightning lose their best player all year and everyone loses their minds. HA!

 

[Hookslide]

I am not a fan of "salary caps " but I understand their purpose, but all that goes out the window playoff time. A trend was started last year with Tampa . These are not middle of the road type players just not sure if it is in the best interest of the league , not to address this . I am not going to lie if it woas my team involved I would not be upset ................Just trying to make point and not sound like a whiney bitch...

 

[Sota Popinski]

In the Pacific? Pretty weak, i think they'll be fine to be honest

They're not making the playoffs if Stone and Eichel are out for the regular season. Edmonton, Calgary and San Jose all look better than them and the Pacific is only guaranteed 3 playoff spots.

 

[BWJM]

Schmidt for a 3rd.

Eichel probably won't be back to playoffs would be my bet.. I also don't think Vegas is a 100% guarantee to make it.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

They have until the deadline to see how Eichel/Stone are recovering. If both are on track to come back before the start of playoffs then Vegas will look to ship out Smith/Dadonov/McNabb at the deadline. I know fans will say don’t help out Vegas, but Smith/McNabb are valuable for a playoff run to other teams

 

[mouser]

His cap hit will be the fraction of the season he plays. If he comes back for the last 10% of the season his cap hit will (more or less) be 10% of his annual salary though Vegas could still need to juke things around to fit in $1M depending how long Stone, Patches, Bishoff, and Karlsson (assuming he's shifted to LTIR soon) are out.

Its true that cap is calculated based on daily salary not AAV, however the issue is he is currently on LTIR and LV is currently over the cap. When Eichel comes off of LTIR the amount they are able to spend is decreased by Eichels cap hit. Since LV is relying on LTIR to be compliant they are not able to "bank" cap space.

I dont know the exact numbers off the top of my head to lets use hypothetical numbers. The current cap is $82.5MM, lets assume LV is currently using $5MM in LTIR to be cap compliant, therefore LV currently has cap of $87.5MM (again hypothetical not the actual amount). Say when Eichel comes off of LTIR he is owed $1MM for the remainder of the season. That means LV is no longer allowed to spend $87.5MM, they are allowed to spend $86.MM.

If LV did not have a total salary expenditures greater than the current cap the fact that Eichel would only be making $1MM would be of benefit to LV, but since they are using LTIR to be compliant Eichel coming back is a wash.

There is no pro-rationing when using LTIR. Everything goes by the players full contract.

If for example Vegas were $5m over the cap with only Eichel on LTIR then to activate Eichel the team must remove $5m AAV in contracts from the roster. It doesn’t matter whether that happens midway through the season or 90% of the way through the season. It’s the same $5m in either situation.