Proposal: Vancouver - Toronto

[Liferleafer]

Most fans of these teams had this date marked on the calendar since our game in toronto. Kadri/Reilly taking runs at our players has left us with a bad taste, and the league back childish cheap headshots just enforced that bad taste.
But then again a summer of Toronto fans starting threads on so many Canucks players hasn't really helped the cause between two fan bases.

That's fair, i've had a distaste for the Canucks all the way back to the "Toronto will pay huge for Luongo!!!" days....

 

[67Cup]

I'm a Leafs fan who lives in Vancouver and I have seen Tryamkin. I think he has a lot of potential and if I were Benning, I would definitely hang on to him barring a big overpayment. Of course, Benning does lots of things I wouldn't do!

But the Leafs fans are also right. Kap is a valuable property. I wouldn't trade him for Gudbranson who seems like a bit of a slug to me. I don't think that is just Toronto prejudice. I also think he would have to be exposed in the expansion draft.

If I were Benning, the Dman I would trade would be Edler, at his point of highest value, probably the TDL. But Edler would not be a good fit for the rebuilding Leafs IMO.

I don't see a fit here.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I'm a Leafs fan who lives in Vancouver and I have seen Tryamkin. I think he has a lot of potential and if I were Benning, I would definitely hang on to him barring a big overpayment. Of course, Benning does lots of things I wouldn't do!

But the Leafs fans are also right. Kap is a valuable property. I wouldn't trade him for Gudbranson who seems like a bit of a slug to me. I don't think that is just Toronto prejudice. I also think he would have to be exposed in the expansion draft.

If I were Benning, the Dman I would trade would be Edler, at his point of highest value, probably the TDL. But Edler would not be a good fit for the rebuilding Leafs IMO.

I don't see a fit here.

I agree with all of this.
The only dmen I'd be interested in (there are varying degrees of course) is Tanev and Trymakin.
I wouldn't be interested in giving up assets for Edler and truth be told, I wouldn't take Gudbranson for free with his contract.

 

[Cogburn]

I'm a Leafs fan who lives in Vancouver and I have seen Tryamkin. I think he has a lot of potential and if I were Benning, I would definitely hang on to him barring a big overpayment. Of course, Benning does lots of things I wouldn't do!

But the Leafs fans are also right. Kap is a valuable property. I wouldn't trade him for Gudbranson who seems like a bit of a slug to me. I don't think that is just Toronto prejudice. I also think he would have to be exposed in the expansion draft.

If I were Benning, the Dman I would trade would be Edler, at his point of highest value, probably the TDL. But Edler would not be a good fit for the rebuilding Leafs IMO.

I don't see a fit here.

No one should be talking Kapenen's value down, he should be a good forward moving forward. We have been pining for a defenseman like Tryakmin for...ever? It's like if Toronto fans, whose team has just drafted Matthews, wanted to trade him. Yes, the return could be great, even prompting an overpayment, however, it makes no sense.

Gudbranson has come as advertised. We traded McCann and a 2nd for him, we're not trading him yet either. Yes, he would have to be exposed, but Tryamkin is exempt. The two together would make for a scary pairing in terms of defensive play and physicality too.

Edler would be the guy I'd like to move, he deserves to win, but he has a NMC and has been vocal about not waiving it, similar to the Sedins. Tanev or Hutton I think we should be open to, but for the right trade, not "meh, just because". Our defensive depth is finally at a point where we aren't a complete laughing stock (at least defensively) due to an injury or too. Last year, or in most years prior, our depth were guys like Bartkowski, Weber, Rome, Alberts, and others I am not remembering due to their...lack of memorable play. Now, yes, we should be on the ropes with our top pairing of Tanev and Edler injured, but we have Gudbranson, Stetcher (thank goodness), Hutton, Tryamkin, Sbisa, Biega, Larsen and even Pedan (as a number 9/10 guy, not a regular). Not counting prospects we don't want to rush like Juolevi and Subban. Selling from the top six isn't how we want to clear room for the young guys, if we trade, it's for an impact player in another role. Kap could be that guy, but we're not prepared to pay what he's worth to the Leafs to get him.

 

[skyo]

So neither team's fanbase wants anything to do with this. Pretty easily settled then. No deal.

No thanks. I'd rather have Tryamkin run people over.

Aha yup, nothing against Kap, but Tryamkin is fun to watch and improve, his top potential is intriguing, Canucks gladly wait to see what he can develop into.

Edler or maybe Tanev will probably get dealt for a young big winger or center before any of the young dmen.

 

[Mr Plow]

Both players have good upside but Tryamkin has the higher floor. Too much risk for a similar reward.

I'm a Leafs fan who lives in Vancouver and I have seen Tryamkin. I think he has a lot of potential and if I were Benning, I would definitely hang on to him barring a big overpayment. Of course, Benning does lots of things I wouldn't do!

But the Leafs fans are also right. Kap is a valuable property. I wouldn't trade him for Gudbranson who seems like a bit of a slug to me. I don't think that is just Toronto prejudice. I also think he would have to be exposed in the expansion draft.

If I were Benning, the Dman I would trade would be Edler, at his point of highest value, probably the TDL. But Edler would not be a good fit for the rebuilding Leafs IMO.

I don't see a fit here.

I agree with all of this except I'm not sure when Edler's value will be highest. I think the prospect of the expansion draft will kill some of his value at the TDL.

and truth be told, I wouldn't take Gudbranson for free with his contract.

Wouldn't take a #4-5 RHD who is RFA after this year for free? How is that a bad contract if you can walk away from it after this season?

 

[Brock Radunske]

Both players have good upside but Tryamkin has the higher floor. Too much risk for a similar reward.



I agree with all of this except I'm not sure when Edler's value will be highest. I think the prospect of the expansion draft will kill some of his value at the TDL.



Wouldn't take a #4-5 RHD who is RFA after this year for free? How is that a bad contract if you can walk away from it after this season?

Huh. I take that back. He's on a good deal.
I don't know why but I thought he was given a 4.5 mill/6 year extension as soon as you acquired him.
My bad.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Huh. I take that back. He's on a good deal.
I don't know why but I thought he was given a 4.5 mill/6 year extension as soon as you acquired him.
My bad.

He'll likely get something in that ballpark, unfortunately.

If they could extend him at his current salary I'd be ok with it. He's a decent physical 4D.

But he's not worth $5m/season, which is what he'll likely get or more long term from Benning

 

[Addison Rae]

Holy hell is Traymkin overrated

 

[Brock Radunske]

He'll likely get something in that ballpark, unfortunately.

If they could extend him at his current salary I'd be ok with it. He's a decent physical 4D.

But he's not worth $5m/season, which is what he'll likely get or more long term from Benning

Haha, maybe I'm just assuming the worst case scenario is reality with Benning.

 

[Halla]

Both players have good upside but Tryamkin has the higher floor. Too much risk for a similar reward.



I agree with all of this except I'm not sure when Edler's value will be highest. I think the prospect of the expansion draft will kill some of his value at the TDL.



Wouldn't take a #4-5 RHD who is RFA after this year for free? How is that a bad contract if you can walk away from it after this season?

Tryamakin has the higher floor, Kapanen has the higher ceiling.
Tryamakin is the safer bet to be a good NHLer, but Kapanen has a chance to turn into a stud. leafs are willing to gamble and so far it has paid off because he is having a great year at just 20years old

 

[PetterssonSimp]

That's fair, i've had a distaste for the Canucks all the way back to the "Toronto will pay huge for Luongo!!!" days....

TBH I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt for awhile. You really did suck very hard since those days, so pity was more likely.
But a summer of Tanev proposals has brought that hatred back to the surface. Honestly thought the Oil has usurped you guys as my least favourite fan base. But I guess I'm just naive.

Still I have some faith Edler or Tanev can be traded for enough value upfront while retaining the young defence we've finally assembled. It's kinda like you guys and the big three upfront. Don't wanna lose what little valuable pieces you have that should at least become decent NHL players.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

No thanks from the Canucks camp.

Tryamakin is showing every sign that he's going to be a monster. Players that bring all the elements he does to the table are few and far between. After a bit of a rough start, it looks like he's on track for a pretty good rookie season.

Kapenen has yet to make the jump to the bigs. Now, based upon his trajectory so far, he should turn out to be a good NHLer... but unless he really kicks things up another notch, he's just not as rare a puzzle piece.

 

[JAK]

I want to add that, Canucks are probably more than happy to take the risk of Tryamkin busting out of the league if it means a shot at him turning into a top 4, if not top pairing dman.

his size is too rare in an NHL capable defensemen, only deal I would deal is in a combo deal where Tryamkin+ leads to a legit NHL young top 6 scorer (not a prospect in AHL, sorry)

 

[nucksauce]

Good job on the value OP!

As a Canucks fan I pass. Haven't seen enough from either player at the NHL level to justify trading for one or trading the other.

A lot of unnecessary salt in the thread though, must be in anticipation for this saturday

 

[Mr Plow]

Tryamakin has the higher floor, Kapanen has the higher ceiling.
Tryamakin is the safer bet to be a good NHLer, but Kapanen has a chance to turn into a stud. leafs are willing to gamble and so far it has paid off because he is having a great year at just 20years old

Possibly? It's hard to say what Tryamkin's ceiling is. He's a physical monster with good mobility and a heavy shot. He probably won't become one but he definitely has all the tools to develop into a stud on the blueline.

 

[AvroArrow]

I have no idea who Tyramakin is but i assume he's a stud if we're moving Kapanen +

 

[LV*]

No thanks, I'll do Rychel for Virtanen

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

No thanks, I'll do Rychel for Virtanen

Terrible...

 

[Halla]

Terrible...

agreed. virtanan has exactly 3 assists in career 20 AHL games.
Nylander,Ehlers, and Larkin were still on board

 

[LondonKendrick]

Another paying the Leafs tax (Leafs prospects/players automatically get a penalty for being drafted by the wrong franchise on HF). If Kapanen was on any other team he'd be an internet darling, same thing with Marner since the day he was draft but instead he just got bashed for being small.

We'll keep Kapanen, unfortunately we'll also put him in every trade proposal like JVR to invite people to treat them like an after thought.

To my fellow Leafs fans, we're not getting value for trading a stud winger, their will be a place for Kap in our top six long term, just keep him.

 

[Halla]

Possibly? It's hard to say what Tryamkin's ceiling is. He's a physical monster with good mobility and a heavy shot. He probably won't become one but he definitely has all the tools to develop into a stud on the blueline.

how many top pairing guys in the league have next to no offensive ability?
the big, strong dman who only knows how to play in his own end is a dying breed in the NHL.

i think the leafs are more than happy to keep their guys unless the opportunity for a legit top 4 dman comes alone (cough* expansion draft). They may just wait to see what nielsen/dermott become, both have looked solid as AHL rookies

 

[LV*]

Terrible...

For who toronto?

 

[skyo]

Another paying the Leafs tax (Leafs prospects/players automatically get a penalty for being drafted by the wrong franchise on HF). If Kapanen was on any other team he'd be an internet darling, same thing with Marner since the day he was draft but instead he just got bashed for being small.

We'll keep Kapanen, unfortunately we'll also put him in every trade proposal like JVR to invite people to treat them like an after thought.

To my fellow Leafs fans, we're not getting value for trading a stud winger, their will be a place for Kap in our top six long term, just keep him.

No one is bashing Kapanen, it's just the Canucks have met their quota of smallerish euro wingers in Daniel Sedin, Granlund, Baertschi and potentially Anton Rodin, not to mention 6'2 Eriksson.

Not many people know of Tryamkin yet besides the westcoasters and the Russian fans, us Canucks fans are genuinely excited about his potential and future as we haven't had a dman like him in pretty much forever aha.

So this deal makes no sense for us right now.

 

[gianni]

Tryamakin has the higher floor, Kapanen has the higher ceiling.
Tryamakin is the safer bet to be a good NHLer, but Kapanen has a chance to turn into a stud. leafs are willing to gamble and so far it has paid off because he is having a great year at just 20years old

Nikita Tryamkin's ceiling is unknown at this point, but many believe that he'll be a 2nd-pairing d-man. Imo, he has the tools to become that at the minimum. When he arrived in Vancouver at the end of last season, he didn't speak any English, so we'll see how much more he can improve/develop once he can communicate w/ coaches & teammates better. I believe he's a likely #3D that can play both sides, w/ an outside chance of becoming a top-pairing guy: it really depends on his hockey IQ on whether he reaches that or not b/c all the physical tools are there, he just needs to put it all together.