Proposal: Vancouver - Toronto

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

Who cares about optics? The goal is to build the best hockey team.

I'm not too arrogant to admit I could prove to be wrong—I posted an opinion, which is what this site's for.

If you don't agree, reply in a civilized manner and check the "glad you're not running the team" crap at the door.

You trigger easily. Take a breather.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

You trigger easily. Take a breather.

Haha, sure friend, because I'm the one resorting to personal stuff and childish name calling.

Have a good night.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Ya I don't see the Canucks moving any of their young Dman. Now that they seem to have some depth there finally. Edler ,Tanev, Hutton, Gudbranson, Stecher, Tryamkin is a solid base. Juolevi hopefully is here in another season as well. Hardest thing to build is a D and we cant spare anyone. Now we can start drafting forwards but I wouldn't trade any of the kids on D. Really only guy I'd move is Edler but he's got a no trade and we need some experience there anyway.

 

[JAK]

Let's put it this way, would Ottawa have traded Chara at the same age for some AHLer?

We don't know what Tryamkin could turn out to be, but his range is from #1 monster to a 3rd pairing mobile big man. I think it's safe to say the Canucks are more than happy to keep him unless it's an offer that they can't refuse.

 

[Halla]

Let's put it this way, would Ottawa have traded Chara at the same age for some AHLer?

We don't know what Tryamkin could turn out to be, but his range is from #1 monster to a 3rd pairing mobile big man. I think it's safe to say the Canucks are more than happy to keep him unless it's an offer that they can't refuse.

"some AHLer" like he is the run of the mill prospect. not like he is a former 1st rd pick, whose dad played 800+ games in the NHL. oh and 3rd in the league in scoring.

ottawa didnt have chara at that age, the isles did. Chara is one of only a few dmen over 6'5 that has ever done anything though.

for every chara, there are 10 valabik, oleksiak and tinordis

 

[WTG]

Difference between Valabik/Oleksiak/Tinordi are that Tryamkin doesn't have 0 hockey IQ

 

[puckpilot]

Why would either team do this?

In terms of Vancouver, Tryamkin is just what they've been wanting for years, a D-Man with size that isn't afraid to use it. Why give that up for a small forward, something they have plenty of. Heck they still have Rodin on IR waiting to take another crack at the NHL. Vancouver's system has been devoid of D-men prospects for a while. Why start emptying it again?

In terms of TO, why give up on a prospect who may fetch you more in the long term? And why trade him for someone who isn't proven yet. He's played well so far, but hardly a sure thing. It's probably in TO's best interest to just suck this year and potentially pick up a D-man in the draft.

 

[loyaltotheend]

Nylander didn't even play in the OHL

You should probably find out how commas work before you put up here

 

[Blueangel1891]

Tryamkin is the last one we should trade. Can he still bust? Absolutely. Can he go become the next Chara? Absolutely

Someone with that size and mobility is so rare, it would be insane to trade that kind of upside

Gudbranson for Kapanen seems like a fit though. And it helps both teams

 

[loyaltotheend]

Tryamkin is the last one we should trade. Can he still bust? Absolutely. Can he go become the next Chara? Absolutely

Someone with that size and mobility is so rare, it would be insane to trade that kind of upside

Gudbranson for Kapanen seems like a fit though. And it helps both teams

What side does Gudbranson play? (Not sarcastic, just as easy to ask as look it up lol)

 

[Blueangel1891]

What side does Gudbranson play? (Not sarcastic, just as easy to ask as look it up lol)

Right side. He's a big and strong crease clearing kinda guy. Not as mobile as Tryamkin, but defensively sound and a very good nr 3/4 D. Nucks fans give him heat because we like our shiny toys like Stecher and Tryamkin more, and they made him expendable. Would be a good fit on Toronto though, as they won't pay the price for Tanev

 

[loyaltotheend]

Right side. He's a big and strong crease clearing kinda guy. Not as mobile as Tryamkin, but defensively sound and a very good nr 3/4 D. Nucks fans give him heat because we like our shiny toys like Stecher and Tryamkin more, and they made him expendable. Would be a good fit on Toronto though, as they won't pay the price for Tanev

hmmm... worth thinking about, though I'm not sure I'd trade Kapanen for him. Not because Kappy is sooooo good that I wouldn't move him, but he IS a very good prospect. I'm pretty confident he could play in the NHL right now, we just already have our scoring wingers for the year. Not that another AHL season (at 20) will hurt him.
Mostly hoping we can move him (in a package) for a little better defenseman.

Is there one available that we could get? Who knows, just my hopes and dreams lol

 

[geebaan]

"some AHLer" like he is the run of the mill prospect. not like he is a former 1st rd pick, whose dad played 800+ games in the NHL. oh and 3rd in the league in scoring.

ottawa didnt have chara at that age, the isles did. Chara is one of only a few dmen over 6'5 that has ever done anything though.

for every chara, there are 10 valabik, oleksiak and tinordis

I'll take "not a single leaf fan has actually watched Tryamkin play" for 500 Alex.

 

[crazyforhockey]

No way you move a big strong dman in Tryamkin in a deep power forward division

He makes it tough on those forwards

Gives Van good depth with dmen to handle tough forwards

Like what I see.....and has good potential to grow

 

[IComeInPeace]

I don't think there is any realistic chance of Tryamkin becoming Chara, but I do think there's a realistic chance he can be a top 4 d-man that is a nightmare for opposing teams to play against.

I think in 1-2 seasons his NHL value is much, much higher than it is right now.

Vancouver can't afford to trade him. Too much upside, and too much reason to believe he can actually reach that upside.

 

[Maukkis]

I'd say no if I was Benning. Kapanen has no future in the NHL. He might be tearing it up in the AHL, but I have never seen anything that would warrant top line potential from him.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Tryamkin is the last one we should trade. Can he still bust? Absolutely. Can he go become the next Chara? Absolutely

Someone with that size and mobility is so rare, it would be insane to trade that kind of upside

Gudbranson for Kapanen seems like a fit though. And it helps both teams

Does Tryamkin have the offensive upside to be Chara? Honest question, I haven't seen anything that makes it look that way and thought of him more as a potential big minute 5v5 and PK type upside

And I don't see it being realistic that we would trade our top prospect for Gudbranson, would probably look to free agency for a stop gap guy in that role while we draft and develop instead.

 

[Brock Radunske]

So Vancouver needs more forwards, preferably young ones with potential, and Toronto needs a better defense. I think, something like this will benefit both teams

To TML: Tryamkin
To Canucks: Kapanen+

Tryamkin is huge, but very mobile for his size and one of the most physical defenseman in the game. He has a good IQ as well and will probably become a solid top4 defender, if not better. As far as I remember, he can play both sides, or he can play with Zaitsev on an all-Russian pair as stay-at-home defender, which helps Zaitsev to realize his attacking potential. And there is another strong argument for the trade: 3 Nikitas (Zaitsev, Tryamkin, Soshnikov) are better than 2 ones. As we say in Russia, God loves a trinity.

Kapanen looks very good in the AHL and is probably NHL ready. He can add some offense to Vancouver right away and is young enough for the Canucks rebuilding mode. And I think, Toronto can add something like 2nd, because Tryamkin already plays in the NHL, and Kapanen doesn't

Tryamkin is an interesting prospect but there is no way the Leafs would offer up Kapanen + 2nd for him.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I'd say no if I was Benning. Kapanen has no future in the NHL. He might be tearing it up in the AHL, but I have never seen anything that would warrant top line potential from him.

So blazing speed, rocket shot and good IQ while being 20 years old says he has no future?
Alright bud.
Maybe he can be a career AHLer with Virtanen, then.

 

[JAK]

So blazing speed, rocket shot and good IQ while being 20 years old says he has no future?
Alright bud.
Maybe he can be a career AHLer with Virtanen, then.

For every guy that makes it to NHL with 30 goals seasons, there are at least 10 that couldn't transfer their skills from AHL over and becomes a career AHLer.

I'll keep Tryamkin who is already playing in the NHL.

 

[Randy Randerson]

For every guy that makes it to NHL with 30 goals seasons, there are at least 10 that couldn't transfer their skills from AHL over and becomes a career AHLer.

I'll keep Tryamkin who is already playing in the NHL.

That's fine to say that there's a chance that Kapanen doesn't become an NHL 30 goal scorer, the guy you responded to was replying to a post that said "Kapanen has no future in the NHL" and saying that definitively is nonsense

Concensus 1st round pick in his year, has been fine in pro leagues without top 6 opportunity to this year and is doing very well with top 6 opportunity this year. He has lots of NHL tools, and has shown that he's not a top 6 or bust kind of prospect. There's every reason to think he still has 30 goal upside and reasonably safe bet to be an NHL'er

That's fine if you'd keep Tryamkin, but Kapanen is still a high upside fringe-of-bluechip prospect and anyone saying that "he has no NHL future" deserves to be called out

 

[HoweHullOrr]

"some AHLer" like he is the run of the mill prospect. not like he is a former 1st rd pick, whose dad played 800+ games in the NHL. oh and 3rd in the league in scoring.

ottawa didnt have chara at that age, the isles did. Chara is one of only a few dmen over 6'5 that has ever done anything though.

for every chara, there are 10 valabik, oleksiak and tinordis

Does Tryamkin have the offensive upside to be Chara? Honest question, I haven't seen anything that makes it look that way and thought of him more as a potential big minute 5v5 and PK type upside

And I don't see it being realistic that we would trade our top prospect for Gudbranson, would probably look to free agency for a stop gap guy in that role while we draft and develop instead.

I'll take "not a single leaf fan has actually watched Tryamkin play" for 500 Alex.

LOL. Some truth in that which is partially born out posters admitting that.

 

[Kshahdoo]

After this fruitful discussion the saturday game of these teams is going to be especially fun, hehe.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

After this fruitful discussion the saturday game of these teams is going to be especially fun, hehe.

Most fans of these teams had this date marked on the calendar since our game in toronto. Kadri/Reilly taking runs at our players has left us with a bad taste, and the league back childish cheap headshots just enforced that bad taste.
But then again a summer of Toronto fans starting threads on so many Canucks players hasn't really helped the cause between two fan bases.

 

[Maukkis]

So blazing speed, rocket shot and good IQ while being 20 years old says he has no future?
Alright bud.
Maybe he can be a career AHLer with Virtanen, then.

Ever heard about something called opinion? I have never seen Kapanen as someone who could be a difference maker. And I'm saying this as someone who is both a Finn and a fan of KalPa (his former team).

And it tells an awful lot about Leafs fans when you have to criticize someone completely unrelated to the discussion, just because someone didn't agree with you. There is no need to trash talk Virtanen, who doesn't belong in the thread in the slightest. Yet you did that. Did you gain something from that?