Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

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If people are still predicting for a Canucks collapse with Canucks being number 1 in the west and 2nd overall at halfway point, then i dont know what to say to those people. The team has shown enough to be called a legit playoff team.
Ummm. the Jets were in the top three in their division and right up at the top of the league last year...right up until Christmas.

then the wheels fell off the wagon, they slid down into the last WC and were pretty easily punted from the first round 4-1 by Vegas.

and the Jets Hardly the first team to flop in history....


chickens and eggs my friend
 
Ummm. the Jets were in the top three in their division and right up at the top of the league last year...right up until Christmas.

then the wheels fell off the wagon, they slid down into the last WC and were pretty easily punted from the first round 4-1 by Vegas.

and the Jets Hardly the first team to flop in history....


chickens and eggs my friend
Would you say these types of collapses are the exception or the rule?
 
When are they going to cool off?

Well the post was made as of Christmas. Since then they have had 3 games and are 1-2. Losing to Philly and St. Louis, beating Ottawa.

I’d say they’re showing signs of cooling off but we need a bigger sample size. Another week or two.

Demo is a stud and hasn’t been showing any signs of his game tapering. If he keeps that up I wonder if the Canucks cool off significantly at all. They may not stay red hot and win the presidents trophy - but top 5 in the league is a real possibility with Demkk being Demko.
 
I stopped reading when the term “global PDO” was used

“Their global PDO as a result”

I won’t rest until I found out Vancouver’s “Universal PDO”

I want to see how they compare to the entire cosmos, and how this compares to other life forms
Good thing about Canucks rising is the fact that all hfboard members can now write a novel regarding PDO. They talk about Canucks PDO more than theie own team now.

Well the post was made as of Christmas. Since then they have had 3 games and are 1-2. Losing to Philly and St. Louis, beating Ottawa.

I’d say they’re showing signs of cooling off but we need a bigger sample size. Another week or two.

Demo is a stud and hasn’t been showing any signs of his game tapering. If he keeps that up I wonder if the Canucks cool off significantly at all. They may not stay red hot and win the presidents trophy - but top 5 in the league is a real possibility with Demkk being Demko.
You guys that are so anal about stats love to ignore sample size when it suits your agenda. Oh no they are 1-2, its a collapse. While when they are on an 8 game win streak you guys keep pointing to sample size and PDO. Really funny how it works here lol
 
When are they going to cool off?

Well, they started the season 12-3-1 or so (just counting off espn here) and everyone said they weren't going to keep up that pace because of the otherworldly shooting and save % and used PDO which riled up some people. Since then they've gone 12-8-2.

So the cooling has happened. Can still heat up again.
 
You guys that are so anal about stats love to ignore sample size when it suits your agenda. Oh no they are 1-2, its a collapse. While when they are on an 8 game win streak you guys keep pointing to sample size and PDO. Really funny how it works here lol
They literally mentioned sample size in that sentence. Can you not read ?
 
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yeah it's a good thing they don't have to worry about the 4.8M penalty in 25/26 & 27/28 and then 2.2M for 4 years after that
LOL
Backtracking after you said it was “big buyout penalty kicks in”

That 2.3 penalty is huge
All in this season. Insurmountable
 
LOL
Backtracking after you said it was “big buyout penalty kicks in”

That 2.3 penalty is huge
All in this season. Insurmountable
lmao idk what you're going on about but feel free to read the OEL buyout thread on the canucks board and get back to me :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
You guys that are so anal about stats love to ignore sample size when it suits your agenda. Oh no they are 1-2, it’s a collapse. While when they are on an 8 game win streak you guys keep pointing to sample size and PDO. Really funny how it works here lol

They literally mentioned sample size in that sentence. Can you not read ?
Lol. I saw his post and the glaring fact you raised in it. But decided not to reply. He seems like he’s pretty sensitive.

Canucks fans has gone through some rough years - the Sedins as your superstars….ughhh!

now that things are going good for them I figured I’d just leave him be.

Seriously, first thing I think about when someone mentions the Canucks is Marchand slapping around a sedin and him just taking it. Iconic.

Poor nucks fans. Happy for them they are having this year!

Hope Demko wins the Vezina!
 
Lol. I saw his post and the glaring fact you raised in it. But decided not to reply. He seems like he’s pretty sensitive.

Canucks fans has gone through some rough years - the Sedins as your superstars….ughhh!

now that things are going good for them I figured I’d just leave him be.

Seriously, first thing I think about when someone mentions the Canucks is Marchand slapping around a sedin and him just taking it. Iconic.

Poor nucks fans. Happy for them they are having this year!

Hope Demko wins the Vezina!

JJ is a poor representative of our fanbase. Ignore him.
 
I stopped reading when the term “global PDO” was used

“Their global PDO as a result”

I won’t rest until I found out Vancouver’s “Universal PDO”

I want to see how they compare to the entire cosmos, and how this compares to other life forms
Deeply sorry that English isn't my first language mate and that as such, my word choices won't always be the best. 👍

You still went far enough to read the most important stuff about the do's and don't's.
 
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JJ is a poor representative of our fanbase. Ignore him.
Can confirm that most nuck fans both in the city and on here are chill and not so defensive.

You would think someone is making a crude jab towards a deceased parent the way he responds to any mention of an advanced stat. Probably isn't the best site to be on if you can't handle that.
 
Good thing about Canucks rising is the fact that all hfboard members can now write a novel regarding PDO. They talk about Canucks PDO more than theie own team now.


You guys that are so anal about stats love to ignore sample size when it suits your agenda. Oh no they are 1-2, its a collapse. While when they are on an 8 game win streak you guys keep pointing to sample size and PDO. Really funny how it works here lol

Yeah i read it but they still made a dumb post after a loss trying to make a big deal out of it. Pretty stupid imo,

No wonder you are in so many back and forths.. jeez have some tea or something
 
If someone's shooting percentage is 37% I will predict that it will go down.

That doesn't make it a predictive stat. It just means that a guy is way outside the normal range so its a no brainer to predict regression. If that does make it a predictive stat in your mind, then every stat is a predictive stat.
Without any other context than simply looking at the figure relative to some average, sure - it will probably go down.

With context? Maybe it will still go down, back to the "average" figure. [Which pretends that the figure we cite is the true, correct mean going forward - but that's a discussion I'll save for another time.] Maybe the guy spent a shitload of time this offseason working on shooting accuracy and pinpointing corners, and he's been able to apply it - so, it might still go down but not as much as one might think. Or maybe the guy is sitting in a high-percentage area that suits his style of play even more, and for him 37% is his new norm. Maybe he's even underperforming what he really should be doing in that spot. Without context for why the shooting percentage is 37% and what we should really expect on average and why a player might be better/worse than average, no one knows whether it's truly sustainable or not and what we should expect going forward.

That's really the problem with every "regression to the mean" claim: it pretends to know what "the mean" is at any and all given times, assumes that all of the known information is baked into a couple numbers that can be compared, and no further context need be given to those numbers. And frequently, it only assumes "regression to the mean" and not an overshoot/undershoot in future performance which might bring about yet another "regression to the mean" claim but now in the opposite direction.

Bet his stats didnt predict the 3 spankings the Canucks gave Oilers early this year. This is why i love hockey lol. Luck is an important part of the game as well but stat nerds keep ignoring those factors.
I prefer "randomness" to "luck" but I'll completely admit, that's nitpicking by invoking a statistical concept in place of some fate-based concept.

This is not wrong, but I feel like it's a bit backwards. People familiar with statistical concepts and probability distributions say "the bottom is true, but the top is what's most likely to happen." People who are bad at statistics see the bottom and say "see, anything can happen" and then when a low-probability scenario occurs, it's "proof" that "you so-called experts know nothing about statistics" and then becomes an argument for why that last outcome is not just highly predictive of what will happen next, it's "proof" that the same event will happen next; the further the observed event falls into the tail of the probability distribution, the more everyone should believe it will definitely happen again.
 

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