Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

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Because Vancouver is the only team with shooting percentages (5v5, all strengths, etc.) 3 standard deviations above the norm.
Or maybe it's because of their opponents terrible goaltending and defense. Example: sharks, Oilers, ducks, krakens, hawks, etc. but they have also beaten teams like Preds by scoring 5 goals against them or teams like stars. The only teams they had problems with in the west has been Vegas and Avs. Also don't know about LA yet since we haven't played them. But Canucks have beaten the rest of the west. I think Blues is the only other team they haven't played yet, correct.me.if am wrong
 
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Or maybe it's because of their opponents terrible goaltending and defense. Example: sharks, Oilers, ducks, krakens, hawks, etc. but they have also beaten teams like Preds by scoring 5 goals against them or teams like stars. The only teams they had problems with in the west has been Vegas and Avs. Also don't know about LA yet since we haven't played them. But Canucks have beaten the rest of the west. I think Blues is the only other team they haven't played yet, correct.me.if am wrong
Canucks won 5-0 against the Blues earlier.
 

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Ok? Not sure why that matters at all. Should we feel bad and give them extra points in the standings?


Please do it slowly.
It matters because it does affect performance when you have to fly for 5 hours to your destination versus just taking a 30 minute bus ride. I heard many eastern conference players complain about the schedule and travel once they get traded to a Pacific division team or some players avoid signing in the west because of east easier travel schedule. Not whining about it but it's a fact that should be acknowledged in my opinion. Don't know why eastern fans always ignore that fact

Canucks won 5-0 against the Blues earlier.
Oh I forgot about that. So they have played against all the western Conference teams aside from LA??
 
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It matters because it does affect performance when you have to fly for 5 hours to your destination versus just taking a 30 minute bus ride. I heard many eastern conference players complain about the schedule and travel once they get traded to a Pacific division team or some players avoid signing in the west because of east easier travel schedule. Not whining about it but it's a fact that should be acknowledged in my opinion. Don't know why eastern fans always ignore that fact


Oh I forgot about that. So they have played against all the western Conference teams aside from LA??
Oh noo, the Nucks are in their nice comfy private jets a couple extra hours than eastern teams while they sleep and eat like kings on them. That’s why nobody cares and only certain western fans try use that as some sort of excuse for things or cry they have it soo bad.
 

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the entire pdo discussion in relation to the canucks is misdirected. the canucks have a high team shooting percentage. that is all there is to discuss. there is nothing odd about the team save % when you look at their goalies. it's good but not historically noteworthy. you can't assume it regresses.

if people want to debate team shooting % that is fine and you can add in the discrepency between expected goals and goals. i agree sh% is too high based on precedent and seems likely to regress, but i think it is also pretty obvious watching the team that at least part of this is by design. their shot attempts are 23rd in the league not because they are lazy or lacking ozone time. whenever they can they are playing a possession ozone game like they are working a shot clock with a lot of cycling and being selective with shot attempts and they are also playing with the lead a lot so no urgency. the only shoot first player on the team is ian cole. in general, the way hughes maintains ozone possession and constantly rotates the puck trying to find a shooting or passing lane is contagious and most of the other dmen on the team now do the same thing. when you remember that the sedins are now heavily involved in hockey ops it may not be a coincidence that the entire team now approaches ozone possession the way they used to, which is more like basketball than traditional hockey in terms of keeping the puck away from opponents as well as looking to score.

also, assuming their shooting percentage was to regress, how much will it need to do so to significantly affect game outcomes considering they are currently outscoring opponents by more than one goal per game?

The one thing to consider as well is how much being on a bit of a heater affects your shots and chances. If you’ve already scored on a shift you’re now starting back at center rather than continuing zone time and potentially getting more shots and chances. And if you have the lead a bunch you’re not necessarily pushing chances as often. The Canucks underlying numbers were much better during their cold stretch in November than in their hot start despite clearly playing worse beyond just getting the saves/shooting well. The shooting percentage will no doubt come down some and the record likely with it. But I imagine the underlying numbers go up with it as well
 

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Oh noo, the Nucks are there nice comfy private jets a couple extra hours than eastern teams while they sleep and eat like kings on them. That’s why nobody cares and only certain western fans try use that as some sort of excuse for things or cry they have it soo bad.
Again you are in the sky for 5 hours plus you forgot the time change by 3 hours added on top of that. Look how lethargic they played against Chicago which is about 3 hours difference compared to Vancouver in their own conference. Eastern teams have 90% or their teams in the same time zone. That's a pretty big advantage aside from the easier travel.
 

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Oh noo, the Nucks are in their nice comfy private jets a couple extra hours than eastern teams while they sleep and eat like kings on them. That’s why nobody cares and only certain western fans try use that as some sort of excuse for things or cry they have it soo bad.

Yea, not like time zones and sleep schedule are a thing or anything.
 

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Oh noo, the Nucks are in their nice comfy private jets a couple extra hours than eastern teams while they sleep and eat like kings on them. That’s why nobody cares and only certain western fans try use that as some sort of excuse for things or cry they have it soo bad.
You’re delusional if you think jet lag isn’t an actual concern in regards to performance. This has to be one of the worst takes I’ve seen in a long time.
 

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Quietly? Not only do they lead the NHL standings, they Definitely lead HFB in most threads this year lol


But, good for them and there fans
 
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The one thing to consider as well is how much being on a bit of a heater affects your shots and chances. If you’ve already scored on a shift you’re now starting back at center rather than continuing zone time and potentially getting more shots and chances. And if you have the lead a bunch you’re not necessarily pushing chances as often. The Canucks underlying numbers were much better during their cold stretch in November than in their hot start despite clearly playing worse beyond just getting the saves/shooting well. The shooting percentage will no doubt come down some and the record likely with it. But I imagine the underlying numbers go up with it as well
i dunno. i do imagine the shot attempts/shot will go up if their shooting percentage goes down. i also imagine it goes up if they are in tighter games or trailing. this is a team that has had a lot of 3rd period leads to defend so far and very few overtimes.
 

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Oh I fully agree, right now the Canucks are in the center of a perfect storm. Something has to give eventually. They have a decent roster but this is a team that should be battling for 2nd/3rd in the Pacific. Not a roster that should be battling for 1st in the league.

Last season they vastly underperformed and this season is the polar opposite
why not?

2 elite centers, some solid wingers, depth forwards who don’t suck, arguably the best top pairing in the league, and a bottom4 that at least don’t get caved in.

The Canucks are pretty solid, when healthy.
 
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Oh noo, the Nucks are in their nice comfy private jets a couple extra hours than eastern teams while they sleep and eat like kings on them. That’s why nobody cares and only certain western fans try use that as some sort of excuse for things or cry they have it soo bad.
You’re clueless if you think it has no impact on the players.

Though I don’t feel bad for them.
 
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Nothing quiet about it but well deserved anyway...just keep getting results!

I had them up the WC charts in 3-4 but I never suspected a jump quite like this. Good on their best players for continuing to be their best players night in and night out, if anything, it's remarkable what bad injury luck they had in the past.

I still think they'll settle out a little but they've banked enough points that it won't matter. And no one wants to match up against that kind of high-end talent in the playoffs, especially if Demko can stay healthy and hot.

Kings? Bounced in the first round from losing to the Oilers twice? Nothing against them tbh but I don't think so.

If your metric for 'good team this year' is 'went far in the playoffs the last couple of years'....are you sure you're a Canucks fan? Might not be the smartest measuring stick.
 

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Nothing quiet about it but well deserved anyway...just keep getting results!

I had them up the WC charts in 3-4 but I never suspected a jump quite like this. Good on their best players for continuing to be their best players night in and night out, if anything, it's remarkable what bad injury luck they had in the past.

I still think they'll settle out a little but they've banked enough points that it won't matter. And no one wants to match up against that kind of high-end talent in the playoffs, especially if Demko can stay healthy and hot.



If your metric for 'good team this year' is 'went far in the playoffs the last couple of years'....are you sure you're a Canucks fan? Might not be the smartest measuring stick.
I think a lot of people are overlooking Canucks depth. The past few games our 3rd and 4th line has won us the games where the top 2 lines were not contributing much at all. Joshua, Lafferty, Hoglander having 9 to 10 goals at less than half way point is huge. I can not stress that enough especially with Suter, Blueger and Garland playing the way they are. Canucks have so much depth on their lower lines that they are scratching PDG who would be playing on 90% of NHL teams as a regular.
 
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Any teams with under 15 ROW and +15 GD should not be talking about numbers.

They won 100% of their games in regulation against the mighty Canucks though.

How many times did the Canucks play SJ so far? 4 times? I’m sure playing the worst team in the league 4 times helps pad those stats. Most teams don’t get that luxury.
 
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