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Bubble team. They did enough in the offseason to remain in the mix.
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You legit got this off of one series where he was underwhelming (while playing through an injury)? Must have been one of those people who you used to say the same about Datsyuk too.That's kinda my point, he's phenomenal in the regular season but he's not a dominant force in the playoffs.
Kinda like how Matthews can win all the rockets he wants, it's meaningless if that dominance doesn't carry over to the playoffs
I don’t understand you people.
They lost Elias Lindholm who was Kuzmenko for most of the regular season and replaced them with Jake DeBrusk. The rest of their forward additions were players no one wanted. And somehow, they’re “better” up front?
I don’t understand HF logic.
They got worse on defense. They got worse on forwards. Demko is always injured. Just tell the truth.
Uh, Soucy is a decent 3 really good 4. Saying there isn't a worse second pairing is utterly hilarious and makes one wonder if you can name 50 players in the league who don't play for the Canucks (which I know you can). Like it's just a hilarious take. Like the Avs are a team whom everyone blows as being "Zomg the greatest" (and they're a good team) and they currently have Manson and Girard as a second pairing. You could argue that might be a better 2nd pairing, but not by a great deal.soucy is an okay 4th/5th guy. he's not a clear cut top 4 guy by any means. myers sucks. forbort and desharnais are very limited. there isn't a worse second pairing in the league than soucy/myers and forbort/desharnais has to be close to the worst third pairing
none of the other guys you listed are anywhere close to the nhl
This is the quality of take I would expect from someone who unironically says 'alphas'.They'll go as far as Miller and Demko take them, those are the real alphas on the team. EP40 and to a lesser extent Hughes have shown they ain't carrying a team for shit when the going gets tough
I don't think they will be competing for top spot in the league again, but they should be good regardless of the whether the division is strong or weak.They will be top 3 in the division as the division is super weak and it wont be a race. Anaheim is awful, San Jose is terrible, Seattle improved a bit but not a major playoff team and probably bubble team, Calgary is worst than last year with players they lost in Markstrom, zadorov, lindholm and possibly Kadri, vegas will regress big time due to loss of Marchy, Stephenson, Carrier, etc. LA isnt that great since they lost depth due to PLD trade then traded PLD for bag of pucks. So whp do we have left?? Vancouver and Edmonton. I mean where is the competition in pacific since most teams regressed in this division?
Uh, Soucy is a decent 3 really good 4. Saying there isn't a worse second pairing is utterly hilarious and makes one wonder if you can name 50 players in the league who don't play for the Canucks (which I know you can). Like it's just a hilarious take. Like the Avs are a team whom everyone blows as being "Zomg the greatest" (and they're a good team) and they currently have Manson and Girard as a second pairing. You could argue that might be a better 2nd pairing, but not by a great deal.
Jake DeBrusk has never scored 30 goals in his NHL career. Who are you talking about?We lost Kuzmenko who had 10 goals in 50 games and was scratched for 25 games and replaced him with 30 goal scorer Debrusk who is very strong defensively, Danton Heinen who can put up 20 goals and Sprong who can put 20 goals and 40 points up along with Sherwood who is a banger on the 4th line. We lost Kuzmenko who barely played, we didnt lose Gretzky here and we added 4 to 5 good forwards to compensate for that, so i dont get how they got weaker in Forward. Please explain that part to me because it makes zero sense?
The Pacific stinks. You actually think there are 3 teams better than them?
We had Petersson injury in January which made him ineffective, soucy injury for months and Demko being out 2 months along with others yet we made not only the playoffs but won the division. How were we really "lucky"?? If anything Oilers were lucky with schedule last year and McDavid being only injured for a week while the rest of the oilers lineup was healthy
Lindholm played just 26 regular season games for Canucks.
He and Kuz stank it up in the regular season.
No one wanted Heinen or Sherwood?
I'd take either one over Mikheyev, who also stank.
Demko has averaged 49 regular season games over 3 years.
Zadorov was a mid-season pickup.
Better Nuck team to start the season than the one that started last season.
Canucks have quietly improved...
Joshua, Hoglander, Boeser and Miller all hovered around 20% shooting percentage last season. It's unrealistic to expect they can match that this season. I expect we'll see a regression on the offence.
That said they're still easily a playoff team. I doubt they take the division title again but they shouldn't be in any danger of falling out of the top 3 in the Pacific
sorry but the pacific is absolutely trash. Anaheim and San Jose are literally bottom 3 in the league with Calgary poised to join them. Seattle is barely a middle of the pack team and have no real star power and goaltending that could propel them above the others, and LA is likely going to be in a fierce wild card battle with a vastly improved Utah/Arizona team and one of Jets/Stars/Preds/Avs with Minnesota hovering around as well.The Pacific doesn’t stink in the slightest. Edmonton is as good as any teams in the league, Vegas isn’t too far back, LA has been a ~100 point team for quite a while, and even Seattle is only one year removed from putting up 100 points (and had 2 big signings this summer). There are 5 teams who could make the playoffs without being a surprise in the slightest
The Pacific doesn’t stink in the slightest. Edmonton is as good as any teams in the league, Vegas isn’t too far back, LA has been a ~100 point team for quite a while, and even Seattle is only one year removed from putting up 100 points (and had 2 big signings this summer). There are 5 teams who could make the playoffs without being a surprise in the slightest
Go look at any number of threads. It’s been well documented just how lucky of a season the Canucks had. And you’re really going to claim Pettersson had a worse injury than McDavid? He didn’t even miss any games, whereas McDavid played almost the entire year noticeably hurt (he couldn’t shoot and his goal total cut in half) and he did miss games.
Lindholm and Kuzmenko might not have been great last year, but they both still outproduced Debrusk who’s replacing them, and I doubt you’ll find anyone outside of Vancouver that thinks he’ll outscore either of them this year.
The Canucks roster is clearly worse than their post trade deadline roster last year, and it’s debatable about whether they’re better than the team going into the season last year
They’re definitely my bet for 3rd in the Pacific, but LA and Seattle are better than people give them credit for. That said, the 3 pieces they realistically need to try and compete (3C, top 4 dman, and maybe another top 9 winger), are pretty attainable at the deadline, and would probably push them closer to top 2 in the division
Lindholm and Kuzmenko might not have been great last year, but they both still outproduced Debrusk who’s replacing them, and I doubt you’ll find anyone outside of Vancouver that thinks he’ll outscore either of them this year.
The Canucks roster is clearly worse than their post trade deadline roster last year, and it’s debatable about whether they’re better than the team going into the season last year
Did you overlook every offseason addition?
IN
Debrusk - 19g 21a 40 pts
Heinen - 17g 19a 36 pts
Sherwood - 10g 17a 27 pts
Sprong - 18g 25a 43 pts
Totals 64g 100a 164 pts
Lots of upside here.
OUT
Lindholm -15g 29a 44pts
Mikheyev - 11g 20a 31pts
Kuzmenko - 22g 24a 46 pts
Totals 48g 73a 121 pts
I think we have a more deep and versatile group of forwards. We dont miss Kuzmenko, he wasn't buying in to systems play and was a liability in his own zone - not a fwd we can trust in the playoffs.
The team is very clearly in a better spot to start the season as compared to last year; and a ton of the dialogue on our own forum has reflected those feelings. We feel we need another top 4 d-man, but we are very confident with our forward group and goaltending.