Confirmed with Link: [VAN/Pit] Vincent Desharnais, Danton Heinen, Melvin Fernstrom, & 1st (NYR) for Marcus Pettersson (LD) & Drew O'Connor (W)

[Bjornar Moxnes]

What does Boeser + a 1st get us? (in terms of offense)

Maybe add something onto that for Adrian Kempe?

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

What's the guess boys. 6 x 6 be enough for MP?

The D is set for years, if we can find the money for Hughes.

Hughes Hronek MP with Soucy and Myers for a couple of years, with Willander EP2 Mancini and Mynio up and coming.

Edit - and to some extent Forbort has been playing ok recently as well.

I think they should go for broke and try for Byram, Dobson or K’andre Miller.
Pair Hughes with Hronek and MP with Byram
Then your 5th and 6th defenseman are all capable of playing top 4 with Myers, Soucy ( who eventually get replaced by Willander )

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I wonder what jersey #s these guys choose. Both players wore numbers that are not in circulation in Vancouver (O’Connor was #10 which is retired, and Pettersson was #28, which is out of circulation since Luc Bourdon passed)

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

You have to think having the stability of having MP and Hronek back should make Myers and Soucy feel a bit more comfortable in lesser roles than they were in.

 

[arttk]

They think they're getting a big nasty defender with edge.

Nasty in terms of results, yeah they are getting that

 

[FuzzyTitus]

They have to find a way to keep this guy for a reasonable cap hit, seems like the exact opposite of Miller in the room. Super positive vibes and great energy, which is exactly what EP40 needs after everything that has gone on.

Maybe it's just me, but MP kind of sounds like a newfie to me lol

 

[the big nobody]

We gave up a solid 1st and a decent prospect in Fernstrom. I think declaring victory, especially without a Pettersson extension in place yet, is a bit premature.

I do think getting out from under Desharnais’ deal is good work. It just didn’t work. I wasn’t as down on Heinen as some were, but clearly the Canucks felt it wasn’t working and decided to move on. Moving out a few multi year, multi million dollar deals for a pair of pending UFAs gives us a bit of cap flexibility. But again, this deal hinges on us locking up Pettersson. He’s a great fit and fills a huge need, and hopefully Allvin and Rutherford have done their due diligence on what it will take to extend him.

You don't follow. If we hadn't included him, the deal would've been better for the Pens and worse for us.

 

[Hodgy]

But if that center was bringing down the room and other performances it could also be a wash. And quite frankly they need to play boring low event hockey. Demko has not been good. Lankinen solid but not otherworldly or anything. And who knows now you have 3 d-men that are actually top4 guys and a Myers who is a 4/5. The Canucks should have the puck more and be able to transition better.

Ya, I agree on all accounts. And I’d even add that I don’t know if Tocchett is really capable of coaching non-low event hockey. In that sense though, I don’t know if Chytil is a great fit. I kind of feel like we may be the NYI west but a few years behind. Could be dangerous in the playoffs though. But certainly boring.

 

[valkynax]

Well, if we can extend Mettersson, it will be a worthy trade.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Maybe add something onto that for Adrian Kempe?

That would be amazing. Maybe DeBrusk + Boeser + a 1st pick.

But I doubt the Kings would do that deal still. Kempe is on a great contract as well. I also don't think Kempe would be interested in playing under Tocchet. He's already complained about Kings' defensive style.

 

[Canucker]

Well, if we can extend Mettersson, it will be a worthy trade.

Depends on cost...we basically handcuffed ourselves in negotiations with him. If they don't re-sign him they're going to look pretty foolish making that trade. So I wouldn't think we're going to be seeing anything resembling a bargain contract when we ultimately re-sign him.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Because of the 4 nations thing there are only 10 games until the trade deadline. So i think Boesers games are numbered

 

[rypper]

That would be amazing. Maybe DeBrusk + Boeser + a 1st pick.

But I doubt the Kings would do that deal still. Kempe is on a great contract as well. I also don't think Kempe would be interested in playing under Tocchet. He's already complained about Kings' defensive style.

So who's playing wing in the top six on your team then?

 

[I am toxic]

So who's playing wing in the top six on your team then?

The BUG

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Hughes seemed in discomfort from a hit to the back. I don't think it was his hand.

One thing I forgot to say: This is like getting two players if M. Pettersson can right Hronek. On the other hand, it's like losing two players if Boeser falls off due to losing Miller.

Interesting times.

hopefully three players: marcus, hronek, and the old dependable soucy at appropriate third pair minutes

 

[Lenny Levino]

So who's playing wing in the top six on your team then?

Yeah, I guess trading a center would be better. Suter or Blueger. Right now we have 5 decent centers + Raty.

EP40, Chytil, Suter, Blueger and Sasson.

Maybe Suter + Boeser + a 1st could get us a high-end winger back. Mitch Marner?

 

[Hodgy]

Because of the 4 nations thing there are only 10 games until the trade deadline. So i think Boesers games are numbered

I don’t really know how many more goals they can afford to lose.

I think it will be key how well EP and Boeser play together before the deadline though. You’d like to think management would want some positive results before extending Boeser to play long term with EP.

 

[EpochLink]

Depends on cost...we basically handcuffed ourselves in negotiations with him. If they don't re-sign him they're going to look pretty foolish making that trade. So I wouldn't think we're going to be seeing anything resembling a bargain contract when we ultimately re-sign him.

Caps going up the next 3 years, we can manage

 

[rypper]

Yeah, I guess trading a center would be better. Suter or Blueger. Right now we have 5 decent centers + Raty.

EP40, Chytil, Suter, Blueger and Sasson.

Maybe Suter + Boeser + a 1st could get us a high-end winger back. Mitch Marner?

I wouldn't trade either Suter or Blueger personally. They both bring more value then they cost, Suter can play the wing, neither looks out of place in spot duty up the lineup. You need to keep versatile players like that.

 

[Canucker]

Caps going up the next 3 years, we can manage

Thats not generally a good way to justify spending more money than you should be IMO.

 

[Lenny Levino]

I wouldn't trade either Suter or Blueger personally. They both bring more value then they cost, Suter can play the wing, neither looks out of place in spot duty up the lineup. You need to keep versatile players like that.

I agree but GMs probably feel the same about them, so their trade values should be pretty good (especially Suter's).

I don't think Boeser has much value given he's about to be UFA in a couple of months.

 

[Hodgy]

Why are the Canucks going to trade any win now pieces unless they are getting back win now pieces? I kind of get Boeser since you don’t want to lose a relatively valuable asset for nothing, but I don’t get the idea of trading Suter or Bleuger. You won’t get much for them and you will be materially worse.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm not going to go through the previous 23 pages, but...

DOC has pretty decent size and can skate well. Can do all three forward positions and can play both special teams. Has not been that productive in the NHL but he honestly shouldn't be higher than a third liner. At most he should do spot duty in the top six if someone is injured during a game.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The cost was definitely high but the impact on our D is huge. We’ve gone from having one of the weakest overall D groups in the league to what on paper looks like a fairly strong top 4 with Willander on the way. Hughes, Hronek and Pettersson is a really strong top 3. The plan has to be to to re-sign Pettersson long term. Certainly getting rid of Desharnais and Heinen and their cap hits was a key part of the deal from Vancouver’s end to re-sign MP.
On the flip side our center depth looks weak even if EP rebounds. Chytil really needs to stay healthy and take another step to fill a big hole.
Hopefully all of the drama is over and this translates to a better overall atmosphere and better team play. This could be one of the big benefits from yesterday’s moves.
Now it’s up to the players.

 

[NYVanfan]

Gotta give MPetey the ol’ Myers deal, right? 6x6 until 35 or so? Is he worth it?
And would they have gotten any indication from him that he would extend prior to dealing, or is that tampering, and we’re rolling the dice here? I mean i get we need to stabilize the D and make playoffs…but what might that 1st have gotten us at the deadline?
A LOT of pressure on EP now, no more of this playing to 60% of your caphit BS or knives will be out…

I can see the logic of getting younger, more cap flex and better D, but am mixed about this all .. lineup looks just ok, looks like league-bottom third C depth. Who is gonna score for this team? We just saw 30G and a lot of balls walk out the door….

Also, any reason to think DOC has upside a la Sherwood?