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Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

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ZUKI said:
well...but does he fight ? Habs don't need another cerebral player, but a physical player that can make our small players more confident.

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As much as we rip Toenails Therrien for being a mindless slug, Demidov was pretty much under the same style in SKA and yet overcame the demotions, then benchings, the limited Playing time, negligible pp time, etc....
True superstars perform under any circumstances.
The problem is this style can quickly derail a rookie player, unless they are generational.
Demidov will become one of the greatest Habs players of the past 40 years.. he truly will become a DemiGod -- next 15 years are going to be a lot of fun. Im particularly interested in how he will turn very good players (like Suzuki, CC, Slaf) into league leaders..
Think: linemates of Lemieux, Ovy, Gretz, Crosby, mcDavid, etc...
 
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montreal said:
Everything the Habs do should be centered around making Ivan Demidov the best he can be, end of story. The Habs haven't had anyone close to his skill level as a 19 year old going back over 30 years, you can not mess around here. Just do what's best as you have a real shot at a 100+ pt forward.

I kept saying Hutson if you put him in the NHL on day 1, it should be on PP1 and he's clearly showed that should have been the case, Demidov will show that he must be on the 1st line and 1st PP unit because he's that good.
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The more we will get talent the more line 1 or 2 won’t matter, on the 2 lines the guys will play with other talented players and probably approximatively similar minutes. It’s all about chemistry, who will fit the best with who!
 
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waitin425 said:
Watching all of the Demidov highlights this year has really peaked my interest about the KHL and made me a fan of SKA.

I would love to go there someday and watch a game. Looks awesome.
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I really enjoyed my travels in Moscow and St-Petersburg. Watched games in both cities, me and the boys had habs jerseys and the people were extremely lovely to us. I’ll definitely visit again in the future.
 
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themilosh said:
As much as we rip Toenails Therrien for being a mindless slug, Demidov was pretty much under the same style in SKA and yet overcame the demotions, then benchings, the limited Playing time, negligible pp time, etc....
True superstars perform under any circumstances.
The problem is this style can quickly derail a rookie player, unless they are generational.
Demidov will become one of the greatest Habs players of the past 40 years.. he truly will become a DemiGod -- next 15 years are going to be a lot of fun. Im particularly interested in how he will turn very good players (like Suzuki, CC, Slaf) into league leaders..
Think: linemates of Lemieux, Ovy, Gretz, Crosby, mcDavid, etc...
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Holy moly bro chill. I know we are excited about Demidov for good reason, but comparing his potential impact to the likes of generational players, can we put a little less pressure on the guy before he even plays a single NHL game lmao.
 
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HabsCode said:
Holy moly bro chill. I know we are excited about Demidov for good reason, but comparing his potential impact to the likes of generational players, can we put a little less pressure on the guy before he even plays a single NHL game lmao.
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I think the pressure motivates him more - he will flourish in MTL. Guys like ID dont have a weak mental foundation. He'll come in and do what he does best..
 
themilosh said:
I think the pressure motivates him more - he will flourish in MTL. Guys like ID dont have a weak mental foundation. He'll come in and do what he does best..
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I hope so but do you really think he belongs in a comparison with Gretzky, Lemieux and McDavid? To be frank I haven’t seen him play much but I got the impression from various report on him he was more projected as a start player than a generational one.
 
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waitin425 said:
Watching all of the Demidov highlights this year has really peaked my interest about the KHL and made me a fan of SKA.

I would love to go there someday and watch a game. Looks awesome.
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I went from hating SKA when they were benching Demidov to becoming a fan. It’s true that I still have a vested interest in seeing them be good as KHL playoffs will be a step closer to NHL level hockey for Demidov. Which makes me worried about SKA defensively. They’re the worst playoff level team for goals against. They’ll need to find a solution. Going fire wagon hockey won’t work.
 
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bleuetbio said:
wondering if the Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf line must be more Slaf - Suzuki - Demidov
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Slaf can go where he belongs, on the second line. Caufield is close to PPG and is one of our better ES players with Suzuki. Demidov is a really good playmaker, so he'd be a better fit with Caufield and Suzuki who are both able to bury it on a constant basis.
 
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HabsCode said:
Holy moly bro chill. I know we are excited about Demidov for good reason, but comparing his potential impact to the likes of generational players, can we put a little less pressure on the guy before he even plays a single NHL game lmao.
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Seriously...We have been starved for so long for a elite forward. The hype around him is getting out of control lol. I will not be surprise if he score 60pts, people will start calling him bust.

They are already talking about Generational skill...As much I love Demidov. I can't put his name close to Crosby/Ovechkin or McDavid. If He end up as good as Jack Hughes/Auston Matthews. I will consider that a big win for us (drafted #5).
 
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Demi-God has 2 more assists in Win over Dynamo Moscow...that's 42 points in 51 games with probably about 15 of those games where Ivan played sparingly...he's going to be fun to watch with Les Canadiens
 
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Slaf can go where he belongs, on the second line. Caufield is close to PPG and is one of our better ES players with Suzuki. Demidov is a really good playmaker, so he'd be a better fit with Caufield and Suzuki who are both able to bury it on a constant basis.
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And Laine and Hutson...those 5 are going to be Prolific together
 
Kind of depends on where you draw the line in terms of generational. For example is Kucherov generational? A couple Art Ross, a Hart and Pearson and basically always in the mix to win any of the top trophies. Or how about MacKinnon, a couple of wins and always in the running to win.

Demidov isn't a shoe-in to get to that level, but he certainly has the potential to be a player who can be a threat to win the big trophies during his prime.
 
HabsCode said:
Holy moly bro chill. I know we are excited about Demidov for good reason, but comparing his potential impact to the likes of generational players, can we put a little less pressure on the guy before he even plays a single NHL game lmao.
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Demidov will be a star player. In the best hypothetical science fiction scenario, I’m not sure he could even be named generational. And I’m not sure Celebrini could either. The true undisputed generational players since the 60s (Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, McDavid) came to public attention as kids, their progress was followed closely and they were christened “generational” already as kids. Then drafted 1st or signed with an exceptional pro contract. Bedard is the only one that fit the bill on his draft day.
 
DAChampion said:
What can the Habs do to optimize Demidov 's development?
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Depends on what they're looking to develop him into.

First thing would be to get him to MTL ASAP and familiarize him with the team, staff, and facilities. If possible, spend the summer primarily in MTL and set up a consistent living situation with a responsible veteran player like Matheson or Suzuki. On the ice, I liked what they did with Hutson this year. Significant and consistent even strength TOI from the start and slowly increased responsibility and situational deployment as he became more comfortable and familiar with the league. Time on both the PP AND PK in secondary roles allowed Hutson to "earn" PP1 minutes and gain exposure to different parts of the game. Regular deployment with solid line mates for long enough time to develop chemistry should be possible in Demidov's case too. I'd like to see how his summer goes and how he performs at training camp.

If it's justified by a good camp, 2nd line EV and PP2 to start the year. If he plays well, avoids injury, and shows he can handle it, move him up with Suzuki and give him the half wall spot on PP1. If the intention is to help him grow his game in multiple areas, spot duty on PK2 and increased responsibility in the defensive zone as the year goes on could be smart. Create as much consistency and as positive a learning environment as possible, avoid demotions or big time line blending.

Two other avenues could be sticking him with Suzuki in all situations or attempting to develop him as a center from the get go. Riskier in some ways, but potentially big pay outs.

I think the bar for Demidov's development should be higher than just point totals. He's got the skills, grit, skating, and awareness to become an all-situations, two-way player at both wing and in the middle. If he was playing in NA, I think he would have been moved to center a long time ago.
 
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