Value of: Van/Ott

[bert]

Top prospect/ young top 6 forward, #4D / cap purposes, 1st. I don’t think you’d get all that much more.

Myers is a cap dump. They'd get a more established player than Hoglund. He doesn't want out and isn't on the table. If s team wants him they'll have to pay. Sorry.

Sens will take Petterson for Pinto, Zaitsev and a first then if we're playing this game.

 

[Luck 6]

But the Sens are the ones who'd be asking the price and if I was them, I'd demand someone like Pettersson.

Sure, ask for whatever you want. But when is the last time a young franchise center was traded for a winger?

 

[Luck 6]

Myers is a cap dump. They'd get a more established player than Hoglund. He doesn't want out and isn't on the table. If s team wants him they'll have to pay. Sorry.

Sens will take Petterson for Pinto, Zaitsev and a first then if we're playing this game.

Sure, you could put someone like Garland in there instead. I would think the Sens would prefer a younger player in that scenario, keep in mind Hoglander scored 9 points less than Tkachuk last year as a rookie. He’s also a play driver, not a passenger.

I’m not saying you should like the deal, but if Tkachuk wanted out those are the types of offers you would have to decide between.

 

[bert]

Sure, you could put someone like Garland in there instead. I would think the Sens would prefer a younger player in that scenario, keep in mind Hoglander scored 9 points less than Tkachuk last year as a rookie. He’s also a play driver, not a passenger.

I’m not saying you should like the deal, but if Tkachuk wanted out those are the types of offers you would have to decide between.

No they wouldn't trade Tkachuk for Garland. End of story. They'd get a better asset. He doesn't want out either. Does Hughes and Pettersson want out?

Canucks fans clearly are unfamiliar with the Senators players. Stop suggesting Hoglund a tiny player is anywhere near the value of Tkachuk. 9 points over 56 games is substantial not to mention one player brings an element the other will never ever have the ability to.

 

[Luck 6]

No they wouldn't trade Tkachuk for Garland. End of story. They'd get a better asset. He doesn't want out either. Does Hughes and Pettersson want out?

Canucks fans clearly are unfamiliar with the Senators players. Stop suggesting Hoglund a tiny player is anywhere near the value of Tkachuk. 9 points over 56 games is substantial not to mention one player brings an element the other will never ever have the ability to.

I don’t think Tkachuk wants out, I don’t think he’s getting traded. My statement was in response to if he DOES want out, that Pettersson / Hughes would be the ask from the Canucks.

When a star winger is traded it is usually for a package of draft picks and younger assets, or perhaps for another winger in a similar situation, or maybe a center / defenseman who is considered a tier below with a pick to top it up. That’s likely what would be coming back.

You can dislike the players I offered I suppose, but I did offer our top prospect (Podkolzin), a roster player in Myers (still a top 4 D, but about 2mil overpaid, mainly included for cap though), and an unprotected 1st. You’ll get similar offers from other teams, with different players, but you won’t get budding stars thrown on the table like Pettersson and Hughes, that is my point.

I should also add that we can’t afford Tkachuk, and hence don’t want him. As I said, we need to be focusing on our blue line.

 

[Qwijibo]

I don’t think Tkachuk wants out, I don’t think he’s getting traded. My statement was in response to if he DOES want out, that Pettersson / Hughes would be the ask from the Canucks.

When a star winger is traded it is usually for a package of draft picks and younger assets, or perhaps for another winger in a similar situation, or maybe a center / defenseman who is considered a tier below with a pick to top it up. That’s likely what would be coming back.

You can dislike the players I offered I suppose, but I did offer our top prospect (Podkolzin), a roster player in Myers (still a top 4 D, but about 2mil overpaid, mainly included for cap though), and an unprotected 1st. You’ll get similar offers from other teams, with different players, but you won’t get budding stars thrown on the table like Pettersson and Hughes, that is my point.

I should also add that we can’t afford Tkachuk, and hence don’t want him. As I said, we need to be focusing on our blue line.

So if Pettersson wants out Ottawa can get him for an underwhelming package? That’s what your logic is dictating

 

[Masked]

Sure, ask for whatever you want. But when is the last time a young franchise center was traded for a winger?

Barry Pederson?

I don't know if he was the last time but Tyler Seguin did.

Assen na yo!

 

[Luck 6]

Barry Pederson?

I don't know if he was the last time but Tyler Seguin did.

Assen na yo!

That's not a bad example, but that's more of a deal centered around 2 x 1st round picks (one was 2 OA) and a 2nd. And, Toronto got pretty hosed there, as those picks ended up being Hamilton and Seguin haha..

 

[Luck 6]

So if Pettersson wants out Ottawa can get him for an underwhelming package? That’s what your logic is dictating

Pettersson probably isn't the best example, Boeser may be more comparable as he is a top line winger still under 25. If we decided to trade Boeser I think we'd be looking at a similar package as I suggested. I'd say Tkachuk probably has a bit more value than Boeser, so you may get some sort of top up there (maybe another 2nd?), but I just don't see it be worlds apart.

Pettersson, being a center with nearly a PPG over his first three seasons, simply carries more value. Why do we think an Eichel deal isn't done yet? Because the ask is too high relative to what teams are offering. I'm not saying OTT would / should accept an offer like that, but that is likely in the range you will receive.

 

[Masked]

That's not a bad example, but that's more of a deal centered around 2 x 1st round picks (one was 2 OA) and a 2nd. And, Toronto got pretty hosed there, as those picks ended up being Hamilton and Seguin haha..

The Tyler Seguin trade was between Boston and Dallas. Toronto had nothing to do with it. And it didn't involve and picks, much less first rounders.

Assen na yo!

 

[Golden_Jet]

I've been wondering if there was a deal that could send Tkachuk to the Canucks that would work for both teams.
Something around Miller + Myers +? For Tkachuk and Zub

Thoughts? Something plausible, or could never happen?

OMG, is this a serious post or a joke.

 

[Qwijibo]

Pettersson probably isn't the best example, Boeser may be more comparable as he is a top line winger still under 25. If we decided to trade Boeser I think we'd be looking at a similar package as I suggested. I'd say Tkachuk probably has a bit more value than Boeser, so you may get some sort of top up there (maybe another 2nd?), but I just don't see it be worlds apart.

Pettersson, being a center with nearly a PPG over his first three seasons, simply carries more value. Why do we think an Eichel deal isn't done yet? Because the ask is too high relative to what teams are offering. I'm not saying OTT would / should accept an offer like that, but that is likely in the range you will receive.

For the record I’m not an Ottawa fan. I was just curious to see if you’d apply to same logic to Vancouver players that you apply to other teams players.

Also, using Eichel is a bad example. There hasn’t been a deal there because the asking price is to high for a player with massive question marks regarding his health. It’s been mishandled from day 1. Teams simply don’t know what they’ll get in Eichel right now.

 

[flying v 604]

Keep Tkachuk Ottawa.
Though Pettersson is a far superior point producer and dangler etc etc Tkachuk is a leader, a warrior and intangibles generator so best for both teams to stay put and carry on.

Petey is just as much a leader as Brady. Like what criteria is Petey lacking? Ppg in or better in the playoffs SHL and NHL, doesn't take stupid penalties and is a play driver. Of those 3 what is Brady? And what does he have aside from being an agitator who shoots the puck from everywhere often costing his team while floats back. Ya real leader.

 

[NyQuil]

And what does he have aside from being an agitator who shoots the puck from everywhere often costing his team while floats back. Ya real leader.

You're right, he's terrible.

You should tell the OP not to waste his time.

 

[Taluss]

Petterson is worth 2 Tkachuks

Nah I wouldn’t pay 2 Tkachuks for him. I’d pay Tkachuk ++ though

 

[Masked]

Petey is just as much a leader as Brady. Like what criteria is Petey lacking?

When was the last time Petey filled in an opponent who took liberties with a teammate?

Assen na yo!

 

[HasbeenHallzy]

So we get the two younger and better players at both positions? Count me in! (And Ottawa out)

 

[SensFactor]

I've been wondering if there was a deal that could send Tkachuk to the Canucks that would work for both teams.
Something around Miller + Myers +? For Tkachuk and Zub

Thoughts? Something plausible, or could never happen?

Good lord...

 

[SensFactor]

Petterson is worth 2 Tkachuks

sorry but he's not. He's a great player but Tkachuk also is not some scrub 2nd liner.

 

[SensFactor]

Tkachuk+Zub+Brännström for Pettersson+Myers

No!

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Man, Vancouver fans are talking an awful lot of shit about Ottawa's chances for a team that finished behind us in the standings last year in the same division.

Worry about yourselves.

 

[SensFactor]

I think people need to understand that Tkachuk is our future captain and he's the heartbeat of the team. Very hard to find guys like him not only in the draft but available in UFA or available via trade. He has given the Sens an identity after we lost key players like Stone, Karlsson, Pageau, etc. He's not a pure scorer or elite skater or all the other elements that make Pettersson great but he's a BEAST that shows tremendous leadership, grit and drags the team into the fight every night.

 

[Sureves]

I think people need to understand that Tkachuk is our future captain and he's the heartbeat of the team. Very hard to find guys like him not only in the draft but available in UFA or available via trade. He has given the Sens an identity after we lost key players like Stone, Karlsson, Pageau, etc. He's not a pure scorer or elite skater or all the other elements that make Pettersson great but he's a BEAST that shows tremendous leadership, grit and drags the team into the fight every night.

Agreed - maybe to put it another way for other fans, wouldn’t you say Tkachuk is the player Sens fans would want the most assets back for in a trade after Stutzle?

 

[McJedi]

He’s worth 2 imo.

But he’s worth significantly more than one, that is not arguable.

I’d say your guy is worth more. But 2 to 1. That’s Fing crazy. Tkachuk is a first line winger on your roster in Vancouver. He’s your second best forward. He’s worth more than Horvath, Boeser or Miller. Also not arguable.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Petterson is worth 2 Tkachuks

Why don't they pay him then?