Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

[MarkusNaslund19]

at first i was like, holy wow, i didn't think you could get filip hronek for that price

then a second later, i realized, oh wait, i was thinking of moritz seider, the younger much bigger high upside guy who made hronek superfluous as their small, offensive RHD

and then very quickly, jesus a middle-third first rounder AND a second?

I mean, with all due respect if you're confusing Seider and Hronek then perhaps you should carry your opinion on this trade gently and wait to watch and see what happens.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Keeping the picks we had is not doing a scorched earth rebuild. That's all people are asking here, for the Canucks not to trade away their futures every time they possess them. I think most people here realize they were never going to go FULL rebuild. But just keep the picks you already stockpiled.

what do the next 3 seasons look like to you iv they don’t do a move like this?

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Only way to unload Boeser is MAJOR salary retention and/or picks (*given* not received)

Just have to find a gm like Hextall.

 

[Hit the post]

Just have to find a gm like Hextall.

or hope somebody hires Jim Benning.

 

[JohnHodgson]

One of the critiques of the Horvat deal was indeed "how can you trade Bo and not get a top 4 d back"

Same people making that critique are the likely the same people crying about this deal.

You can never win in Canuck land.

 

[Jay26]

what do the next 3 seasons look like to you iv they don’t do a move like this?

That's impossible to say without knowing what kind of moves they'd make in the offseasons. All I know is they'll have a much bigger prospect pool to draw from if they keep their draft picks instead of trading them away for quick fixes.

 

[VibinCanuck]

A lot of the guys on Twitter who were defending Benning moves are defending this one. Not a good sign.

Cause this is a Benning type of move...

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

How the hell do you think the Canucks acquired Quinn Hughes?

In the 2018 draft..who knows though..The wings could have picked Hughes and we would have been happy to pick Zadina..

 

[eviohh26]

But they won't BE a competitive team if they keep operating like this. If Pettersson and Hughes don't understand this then you go from there. It would suck - trust me, I'm their biggest cheerleaders - but for once this organization has to make the right choices. You just hope that your young star players see the big picture as well.

But again, if they want to be competitive like the Edmonton Oilers then power to them because that's what we'll look like by operating this way.


Keeping the picks we had is not doing a scorched earth rebuild. That's all people are asking here, for the Canucks not to trade away their futures every time they possess them. I think most people here realize they were never going to go FULL rebuild. But just keep the picks you already stockpiled.

Odds are Pettersson doesn't resign here if we don't make moves. Hold picks and draft is not ideal for players in their prime wanting to compete now.

 

[Jay26]

Odds are Pettersson doesn't resign here if we don't make moves. Hold picks and draft is not ideal for players in their prime wanting to compete now.

Okay so like I said, Pettersson should prepare to be Edmonton Oilers level competitive, not Colorado Avalanche.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

That's impossible to say without knowing what kind of moves they'd make in the offseasons. All I know is they'll have a much bigger prospect pool to draw from if they keep their draft picks instead of trading them away for quick fixes.

If it’s impossible to say then you can’t say its not scorched earth can you.

The only way to not be worse next season is to spend assets getting better.

 

[Jay26]

If it’s impossible to say then you can’t say its not scorched earth can you.

The only way to not be worse next season is to spend assets getting better.

Wrong. Scorched earth would be trading Pettersson and Hughes. The result of the season doesn't necessarily make it scorched earth. That depends on other factors.

 

[credulous]

the canucks could have used their 2nd to move garland or boeser and signed severson or dumba and been about as good while still retaining the isles pick

 

[dez]

There are definitely more moves coming.

Regardless, a full year of Beau, Demko, Bear, Hronek, Mikheyev and others is going to be huge. No coaching drama/rumors is also going to let the players focus on actually playing the game.

We also have young players coming up that could contribute (Hoglander, Podkolzin, Raty).

Wolanin looks like he'll be a mainstay on the team.

Potential OEL buyout or Myers trade would be huge.

A likely Boeser trade is also going to be massive - he's been pretty checked out this year.

Wait til next season!! Unfinished Business! Where have we heard this before? Btw don't overdose on the copium, there's always the next bad trade.

 

[wetcoast]

I don't like the canucks, don't watch them, and I read this forum strictly so that I can trash them accurately if I'm ever drawn into a conversation with a coworker, friend, family, etc.

From that perspective: They addressed their biggest roster hole. They did it by moving out a surplus pick. The cost isn't completely out of line with reality. They added a guy who can hold down a second pairing or maybe compliment their star dman on the top pairing. He can help their historically bad PK. There's a chance to get him on a decent deal if they keep him off the PP next season.

Again, as a guy who wants the canucks to lose every game, prays their charter plane crashes into the side of a mountain, fantasizes about JT Miller getting hit by a bus, etc, I hate this deal.

No need to worry as this move doesn't even make the Canucks a playoff team during Hronek's contract.

Our farm system and pipleine is a complete joke, then we actually acquire picks then trade a middle first and really high second rounder where we could get 2 Hronek type Dmen to restock out=r empty shelves.

This trade screams ownership just bring Benning and Green back as it's different clowns but the same Aqua circus.

I really want us to luck out and win the lottery this year but frankly our ownership doesn't deserve it and would find a way to waste it anyways.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Odds are Pettersson doesn't resign here if we don't make moves. Hold picks and draft is not ideal for players in their prime wanting to compete now.

I think this is the kind of move you make at the draft if you're looking to move the pick for young defenseman. Not sure why you do it now when you still have a messy cap situation to sort out and many areas that need to be addressed.

Also feels like they could've bargained a little harder and not lost that high 2nd round pick.

Unless they move out contracts it will be hard to significantly improve this team in the summer to be a playoff team.

 

[John Belushi]

In the 2018 draft..who knows though..The wings could have picked Hughes and we would have been happy to pick Zadina..

And how long did it take for Hughes to have an impact? You can't find these types of core players without finding them in the draft. Age gap acquisitions of high calibre are rarely found and not consistently in the cap era yet the Canucks try to, time and time again.

There's an inherent reason why a rebuilding team helmed by Steve Yzerman traded this defenseman and as a fan of this sad sack organization, I just can't wait to find out.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Wrong. Scorched earth would be trading Pettersson and Hughes. The result of the season doesn't necessarily make it scorched earth. That depends on other factors.

Oh, well rebuilding and not trading those two is a ticket to nowhere’s ville aswell, since they will most definitely want out shortly without us spending to get them some help in the next two seasons.

If we plan on being in contention for the draft lottery next season we are going to loose Peterson.

 

[dez]

the canucks could have used their 2nd to move garland or boeser and signed severson or dumba and been about as good while still retaining the isles pick

That's in the offseason
2025 2nd+Garland for Riley Stillman
2026 2nd+Boeser for Riley Stillman

 

[Coffee]

This guy can shutdown players like Aho

 

[Diamonddog01]

the canucks could have used their 2nd to move garland or boeser and signed severson or dumba and been about as good while still retaining the isles pick

Yup. There were so many better options than this.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Nah, you're having a hissy fit because other people don't agree with your views and you are becoming increasingly shrill in trying to convince others of them - almost as though you are trying to convince yourself just as much as anyone else.

And the whole "you can go cheer for another team if you don't like the team's moves" is really, really ignorant.

I don't mind them targeting young players, within reason. It's abundantly to clear to the majority of Canuck fans, and the overwhelming majority of neutral fans, that this was not the right player to target due to his redundant skillset nor was it for a reasonable price. A bottom feeder should not be trading a first round pick in one of the deepest drafts in the last decade, period. No mental gymnastics will justify that.

If they had traded their own first for Tyson Barrie I'm sure you'd be defending it even more aggressively and loudly demanding anyone who disagrees with your views to turn in their fan card.

This literally makes no sense.

I'm neutral to the trade - said it multiple times.

I'm willing to let this play out before I start crying about it.

This is considered having a hissy fit? Okay.

 

[Coffee]

Wait til next season!! Unfinished Business! Where have we heard this before? Btw don't overdose on the copium, there's always the next bad trade.

The idea that you can overdose on copium is a myth and it needs to stop.

 

[Slapshot_11]

What in the actual f***.

There have been literally hundreds of links posted here in the past few days. I couldn’t find the one but it took like 2 seconds to do a google search and find that Seravalli was saying that exact thing in January.

I give you that link which proves what I was saying, and you accuse me of lying again?

Hundreds of links yet you cant produce any

You gave me a link from the beginning of January thats focused on the oilers when you claimed earlier today that theres been reports in the last few days with teams in general

 

[Hit the post]

One of the critiques of the Horvat deal was indeed "how can you trade Bo and not get a top 4 d back"

a top 4 D that can play defense. Think that is the key part of the equation. We got plenty of D that can help with the offense; just none with the actual defense. The guy we got isn't going to change that.