Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

[UrbanImpact]

The more this trade sinks in the more i think the Flames did not get enough..

- They traded the best if not , then at least one of the best assets at this year's deadline
- They traded him early which gives the Canucks an extra 16 games with Lindholm as supposed to right at the deadline
- They took on more salary and 1 extra year of term
-They didnt get any of the Canucks top 5 prospects
- They traded within division ( usually should up the price)

Comparing the Monahan trade, basically the differene is Hunter Bruztewicz? yes Calgary got him but they also took on salary and term which mtl didnt.

 

[Double Dion]

The more this trade sinks in the more i think the Flames did not get enough..

- They traded the best if not , then at least one of the best assets at this year's deadline
- They traded him early which gives the Canucks an extra 16 games with Lindholm as supposed to right at the deadline
- They took on more salary and 1 extra year of term
-They didnt get any of the Canucks top 5 prospects
- They traded within division ( usually should up the price)

Comparing the Monahan trade, basically the differene is Hunter Bruztewicz? yes Calgary got him but they also took on salary and term which mtl didnt.

We got enough. Winnipeg overpaid. I'm happy with the trade. The Monahan deal is horrible for Winnipeg. This one was a fair deal. We got pretty much what I thought the value was (I asked for Bru, 1st, 2nd and cap dump). I count the conditional 3rd or 4th and Jurmo as basically a 2nd in value.

 

[UrbanImpact]

LMAO..

Imagine if the Monahan trade went down first and set the market before the Lindholm trade.

Maybe Allvin knew what was going to happen and got ahead of it.

If the Monahan trade went down first, then Calgary would have asked waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more for Lindholm, especially when they were taking on a 5.5 mil contract with term .

 

[Double Dion]

LMAO..

Imagine if the Monahan trade went down first and set the market before the Lindholm trade.

Maybe Allvin knew what was going to happen and got ahead of it.

If the Monahan trade went down first, then Calgary would have asked waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more for Lindholm, especially when they were taking on a 5.5 mil contract with term .

This trade is an outlier. It's like us thinking we could move Huberdeau because OEL was moved. Just because one GM shoots themself in the foot doesn't mean everyone is going to rush to do it.

 

[UrbanImpact]

This trade is an outlier. It's like us thinking we could move Huberdeau because OEL was moved. Just because one GM shoots themself in the foot doesn't mean everyone is going to rush to do it.

sure, but all im saying is if the trades happened in reverse order then Lindholm would have cost waaaay more.. Thats how market setting works.

Thank god The JETS decided to lose their mind, AFTER Lindholm was already traded.

 

[Double Dion]

sure, but all im saying is if the trades happened in reverse order then Lindholm would have cost waaaay more.. Thats how market setting works.

Thank god The JETS decided to lose their mind, AFTER Lindholm was already traded.

Sometimes, but Justin Braun went for a 3rd after Chiarot went for a 1st, 4th and prospect. It just reeks of a "I lost out of the player I wanted, here's someone" type of mindset.

 

[HairyKneel]

We got enough. Winnipeg overpaid. I'm happy with the trade. The Monahan deal is horrible for Winnipeg. This one was a fair deal. We got pretty much what I thought the value was (I asked for Bru, 1st, 2nd and cap dump). I count the conditional 3rd or 4th and Jurmo as basically a 2nd in value.

I’d like a viewpoint from some honest Flames fans about how they feel Lindholm will fit in here. Reading the Oilers helmet forum he is butter soft and won’t move the needle. From watching him the last few years I disagree. That forum is so full of vitriol, so take it with a bag of salt.

I think it’s a decent deal for both squads. I’d appreciate any Flames fans opinion on on the player.

 

[Diamonddog01]

We got enough. Winnipeg overpaid. I'm happy with the trade. The Monahan deal is horrible for Winnipeg. This one was a fair deal. We got pretty much what I thought the value was (I asked for Bru, 1st, 2nd and cap dump). I count the conditional 3rd or 4th and Jurmo as basically a 2nd in value.

Yeah I agree with this. It was a fair and good trade for both teams - basically two underperforming players along with a first and a prospect just below what I would consider blue chip. No idea what Winnipeg is doing lol.

 

[Cogburn]

I still feel the Canucks overpaid, by a full Kuzmenko. But then I look at the Jets trading for Monahan, and I feel a lot better.

 

[jfhabs]

It depends how you value Brzutewiscz , but I think the return isn't the best for Calgary. Nothing dramatic, but maybe should've waited for some team to step up.

Vancouver gets to keep their best prospects and get the top rental available.

 

[Bond]

The more this trade sinks in the more i think the Flames did not get enough..

- They traded the best if not , then at least one of the best assets at this year's deadline
- They traded him early which gives the Canucks an extra 16 games with Lindholm as supposed to right at the deadline
- They took on more salary and 1 extra year of term
-They didnt get any of the Canucks top 5 prospects
- They traded within division ( usually should up the price)

Comparing the Monahan trade, basically the differene is Hunter Bruztewicz? yes Calgary got him but they also took on salary and term which mtl didnt.

I mean it is still basically the Horvat trade and the Flames probably think they can flip Kuzmenko next year and don't view him as a dump.
As far as a top 5 prospect in the Canucks system , it depends on the list.
Blue chip prospects rarely ever go for a rental.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I find it funny that some people still don’t see Kuzmenko as a Cap dump in the deal. The Canucks are a top 3 team offensively this year and literally everyone is improving in the system implemented by Rick Tocchet. Kuzmenko had another year at $5.5 million and was healthy scratched this year at least 5 times while being demoted due to not wanting to forecheck or backcheck.

Even last year during his initial season he was demoted by Tocchet who preached accountability with and away from the puck. Kuzmenko is a pond Hockey type player who by the end of his tenure here was almost unbearable to watch while only getting 7 points in his last 30 games while getting PP1 opportunities and playing with Pettersson on a regular basis.

This was 100% a Cap dump before it would have cost them more to unload by the offseason.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You can't teach Kuzmenko's skill level. I also believe in Kuzmenko's ability to play winning Hockey, even if it didn't work in VAN. He is still a developing player and is fully adapting to NHL-style play. Trading him is a knee-jerk reaction IMO; however, VAN is in the prime of their competitive window so they have to handle their assets this way.

Oh man, look at the numbers deeper, his shooting % was completely unsustainable from last year, many of us knew he would regress this year. Winning hockey players play hockey at both ends, he won't. Not a knee jerk reaction at all. He wasn't a fit for a winning hockey club, and we needed his 5.5 million off the book. Period.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

The more this trade sinks in the more i think the Flames did not get enough..

- They traded the best if not , then at least one of the best assets at this year's deadline
- They traded him early which gives the Canucks an extra 16 games with Lindholm as supposed to right at the deadline
- They took on more salary and 1 extra year of term
-They didnt get any of the Canucks top 5 prospects
- They traded within division ( usually should up the price)

Comparing the Monahan trade, basically the differene is Hunter Bruztewicz? yes Calgary got him but they also took on salary and term which mtl didnt.

Who did you have as our top 5 prospects? Imo:

1. Lekkerimaki
2. Willander
3. Pettersson
4. Bruztewicz
5. Silovs/Raty/Bains

 

[UrbanImpact]

I still feel the Canucks overpaid, by a full Kuzmenko. But then I look at the Jets trading for Monahan, and I feel a lot better.

I trully dont understand how anyone can feel the Canucks over-paid.

Kuzy is a diminishing player for the team. He would have 100% been a healthy scratch during the playoffs. Thats 5.5 million on the pressbox with 1 more year left in his contract.

Usually when contending teams want to get rid of contracts/players like that to improve their team, they pay a premium.

So lets say that premium is Hunter Bruz = to open 5.5 mil for Canucks this year and next year.

That means Lindholm = 1st, Jurmo and 4th.

Sign me up all day.

Canucks didnt lost any of their top end prospects, they gained salary cap this year and gained 5.5mil cap flexebility next year AND got Elias Lindholm.


by no means am i saying Calgary got hosed, but theres just no waaay the Canucks over-paid considering what they gained and considering what the JETS just did.

My personal opinionis the Canucks did very good on the trade and the Flames did ok to good.

I think this would have been a win win if the Flames got someone like Hoglander or Podkolzin over Bruz.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

And if you go back five months Boeser and Garland were the worthless cap dumps and Kuzmenko was the 39 goal scorer.

It's funny how quickly things change in the NHL, isn't it? Player values are dependent on many factors.

Boeser and and Garland stepped up to play in a winning system, while Kuzmenko regressed and refused to play in both ends of the ice.

It's funny how quickly winning shows you who really wants to play a competitive game isn't it? Good players know when to buy in.

 

[ddawg1950]

This narrative that Canucks are going to be disappointed when they find out that Lindholm didn't drive the line with Tkachuk and J. Hockey...Or also, that he's not going to be a major point producer. It is just bullshit. We have lots of major point producers.

The Canucks wanted a 200 foot responsible forward who can play 2nd line center minutes, work well with elite players, has great face off stats and is a very good PK Player.

As I said, we already have lots of major point producers. We acquired Lindholm for all the other parts of his game. He fits our second line needs and immediately improves the team heading down the stretch.

Canucks obtained the best player in this deal.

Best of luck to Kuz, but he is the complete opposite of what the Canucks really needed.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Who did you have as our top 5 prospects? Imo:

1. Lekkerimaki
2. Willander
3. Pettersson
4. Bruztewicz
5. Silovs/Raty/Bains

I meant assets, dunno if Hoglander is still considered a prospect..

1. Hoglander
2. Willander
3. Lekky
4. Podkolzin
5. Bains
6. Bruz/Pettersson/Silovs

 

[Reinhart]

Was looking for a post exactly like this. Thanks.

A lot of guys on the Canucks board are parroting that he doesn't like to carry the puck. Is that blown out of proportion? Kind of seems like it.

It is blown out of proportion. On PP1, he was always one of the two options on the bump-back, and was frequently carrying the puck into the offensive zone. At 5on5, he did it a lot more without Gaudreau, as Gaudreau was the main playmaker/distributor. This is part of him not being the 'catalyst' - he can make good plays, and he can shoot the puck very well, but he isn't that dynamic guy who carries the puck and makes things happen. He can and he does carry the puck well, however. It shouldn't be a fear. He definitely doesn't handle the puck like a hand grenade or something - he does stick handle well and can evade checkers, and he is good at finding passing lanes and can thread the puck. Gaudreau and Tkachuk were both better passers, but Lindholm was better at carrying the puck than Tkachuk, but Gaudreau was the catalyst in terms of playmaking/distribution. Since they left, Lindholm has struggled. I imagine he won't struggle given who he is going to play with.

 

[Cogburn]

I trully dont understand how anyone can feel the Canucks over-paid.

Kuzy is a diminishing player for the team. He would have 100% been a healthy scratch during the playoffs. Thats 5.5 million on the pressbox with 1 more year left in his contract.

Usually when contending teams want to get rid of contracts/players like that to improve their team, they pay a premium.

So lets say that premium is Hunter Bruz = to open 5.5 mil for Canucks this year and next year.

That means Lindholm = 1st, Jurmo and 4th.

Sign me up all day.

Canucks didnt lost any of their top end prospects, they gained salary cap this year and gained 5.5mil cap flexebility next year AND got Elias Lindholm.


by no means am i saying Calgary got hosed, but theres just no waaay the Canucks over-paid considering what they gained and considering what the JETS just did.

My personal opinionis the Canucks did very good on the trade and the Flames did ok to good.

I think this would have been a win win if the Flames got someone like Hoglander or Podkolzin over Bruz.

I dont view Kuzmenko as a negative asset, the rest of the trade is fine by me. A team with a less stringent defensive system for their forwards would have been able to use Kuzmenko, and gettting something, even a pick or depth player, is just poor asset management not to, as im sure a lot of the appeal of Lindholm was his play in previous seasons too, not just his 2 way game.

I think the Jets paid as much as they did because we set the bar high here.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Boeser and and Garland stepped up to play in a winning system, while Kuzmenko regressed and refused to play in both ends of the ice.

It's funny how quickly winning shows you who really wants to play a competitive game isn't it? Good players know when to buy in.

That's one way to spin it, sure, and it very well may be true but I think it's a little early to say that the Canucks have found a winning system. Much is yet to be proven or decided.

Some players just don't work under certain coaches as well which is another very possible outcome.

 

[Mobiandi]

Who knows what that number is at this point.

Rumor was 9.3

 

[Raistlin]

OMGawd I love JR! Imagine if he waited for the Jets trade first then negotiate for Lindholm? If thats the marketplace, Lindholm deal is not an overpayment whatsoever, its the opposite.

Kent Hughes has been a magician over in the east acquiring picks, now if only he can draft the right players...

 

[Bond]

I think this would have been a win win if the Flames got someone like Hoglander or Podkolzin over Bruz.

I didn't want Hoglander or Podkolzin coming back a Flames fan. Especially Podkolzin, his numbers in the AHL are pretty mediocre

 

[CraigsList]

Anyone comparing the Lindholm/Monahan deals need their heads checked. One was an overpayment because their top C is out and needed someone to fill the void. The center market is also shit.