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Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

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Double Dion said:
I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying the sum of Lindholm and Gaudreau was better than either of them individually. Gaudreau the season Lindholm arrived put up 99 points with Lindholm at RW and Monahan up the middle. Then they moved Lindholm to C on a different line. Gaudreau put up 58 points and 49 (shortened season) in those 2 seasons. They made the purple gatorade line and Gaudreau put up 115 while playing with Lindholm and Tkachuk (the best linemates he has ever had).

He went to columbus where he currently has 7 goals and 32 points while being -20. Good players are always better when they play with other good players. Gaudreau isn't playing with good players now, neither is Lindholm. Both have struggled, Gaudreau more so than Lindholm.
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True but I would argue Johnny just need good players. He had a decent year last year


Lindholm needs someone BETTER than him to carry his line, not just good players

If you go based on history, he needs TWO not just one
 
I like that Vancouver is trying to win it all, and it's a nice return for Calgary. Well done by both sides.
 
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Frosty415 said:
I feel like the nucks lost this
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They gave up quantity over quality, a 1st that is #28 even if they lose in the first round, a B+ prospect, a struggling winger, a 4th and a bust is fine.

Kuzmenko also gets 5.5 off the books next year to help resign Pettersson, Hronek, and Lindholm.
 
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DFF said:
True but I would argue Johnny just need good players. He had a decent year last year


Lindholm needs someone BETTER than him to carry his line, not just good players

If you go based on history, he needs TWO not just one
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I guess they both need good players. Lindholm had no trouble playing with Mangiapane and Tkachuk as well. Johnny can carry a puck at an elite level, he breaks down defenses, he has great vision and is elusive. He also can't get a puck out when it comes up his wall. Doesn't retrieve pucks. Won't win any battles. About the only thing he does well when the puck isn't on his stick is backtrack and pick pockets.
 
Ledge And Dairy said:
I said "and middle 6 guys." Outside of Huberdeau none of those players are considered anything more than 2nd line players. As for Huberdeau himself, they've barely played together since they have minimal to no chemistry.

Lindholm is an excellent slot shooter and after the departure of Gaudreau and Tkachuk he was forced into the role of a set-up man. It was said on DFO a couple weeks ago but during the 21/22 season Lindholm took something like 47% of his shots from the slot, last year that number dropped to around 30%, and this year it's below 15%. He is absolutely capable of scoring but his ability to do so drops off significantly when he can't get to the slot. Personally I think he's going to have fantastic synergy with Pettersson, even better than he did with Gaudreau (and yes his synergy was more with Gaudreau than Tkachuk, not that Tkachuk didn't also make that line excellent). I don't think it's at all unrealistic for him to get 40 points in these last 33 games if he plays with EP40, and I give that a +/- of 5 points, hence 45.
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Toffoli is definitely a first line winger. But ya I mean I take your argument it's just fairly weak.

Lindholm has a career high 82 points. That was on a line where his linemates had 115 and 104. It's hilarious how optimistic people can get about new players. He's currently on pace for like 55 points. And you think he's just going to double that even though he's never scored at that type of pace ever. Not to mention the only real way to score that many is if your team's pp runs through you and that definitely isn't happening in Van.

PPG to finish would be exceptional. I don't think you could realistically expect more. And in all likelihood it will be less. 111 point pace is just lunacy.

Frosty415 said:
I feel like the nucks lost this
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Trolling haha
 
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mkatcherin00 said:
I wonder what this does for the other rentals. Calgary got that much for a guy who has looked like a ghost all year. I would pay that for a Backlund. MTL is probably going to want a pretty penny for Mony
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Anyone calling Lindholm a "ghost" hasn't actually paid much attention to Flames games and is just looking at his goal totals. He's still on pace for 50+ points (still a better season than he ever had in Carolina), and has been the best defensive forward on the team. Lindholm has been handcuffed and even Conroy admitted that he may have been gripping his stick too tight, which would explain his paltry shooting percentage, which is more than 5% below his career average.
 
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Hunter B has to be the key to this trade from a Flsmes’ pov. Conroy said he had several teams bidding. So he must have felt Hunter B was the singular piece with the highest upside of any of the offered packages.
 
the expectation is to have him be the first guy out on PK1, I dont mind not trotting him out on PP1 to be honest. keeps him fresh to shutdown the opponent's top center and freeing up Miller and EP to be more creative on offense.

Other fanbases keep saying he's butter soft, cant really be that to be a selke nom. but I am interested to know from Flames fans, how was his competitive fire in the playoffs? does he retreat into a completely shutdown mode? or does he wilt like Matthews/Marner?
 
Zirakzigil said:
Lindholms previous demand was 8 years at 9.5mil per. Highly unlikely hes signing at 7,5mil. Cap is going up in the offseason and he will be the best center available as a UFA. Fans are in for a rude awakening about what players are going to be getting paid.
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I guess it depends if he wants to stay? I tend to agree, especially if he’s a good fit, but that would be the hope.
 
With Miller at 8 clearly Lindholm would be less than that number if extended in Vancouver. Would 7.5 x 6 be fair value for him? Would he expect more on July 1?
 
DFF said:
True but I would argue Johnny just need good players. He had a decent year last year


Lindholm needs someone BETTER than him to carry his line, not just good players

If you go based on history, he needs TWO not just one
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Nice to read fair and objective posts. Out of curiosity, I checked which seasons Dion was talking about, and it looks as though it was Lindholm who was the beneficiary of the others not the other way around. Can't blame it on Monehan as by then his hip was already hugely impacting his effectiveness and he wound up with season ending surgery. Goudreau, based on just point totals, appeared to be an up and down player year by year no matter who he played with, at least that's what it seems like. This year, Monahan has carried every set of wingers he's played with, and he's played with some really bad linemates especially due to a lot of injuries. And it seems like Lindholm struggles in similar instances.. Not saying who's better today. Just commenting on the notion that Lindholm was the play driver for guys like Goudeau, Mony and Tkachuk. You guys got a nice return even if Lindholm lights it up. Well done.
 
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Luck 6 said:
I guess it depends if he wants to stay? I tend to agree, especially if he’s a good fit, but that would be the hope.
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if he’s a good fit he’s going to ask for even more. It’s kind of lose lose that way for the Canucks. If he doesn’t fit you don’t want to sign him. If he fits well he’s going to demand more. If Lindholm puts up say, 1.25PPG with the Canucks, suddenly 9.5mil isn’t such an insane ask.
 
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