Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes

[Hisch13r]

Okay first off I recognize the Quinn to Jersey thing as a possibility. However everyone is assuming he's going to bail at the first chance he gets. I could see it being just as likely that he signs a 3 year extension to hit free agency again at the same time as Jack and they could call their shot for where they want to play. Maybe they want to go play in Michigan and bring Detroit back into a golden age? One thing that will be interesting this off-season will be what Luke's new contract looks like.

I wouldn't just assume because there are 2 of them on one team that that is what happens. It might be most likely but not a sure thing. Quinn might also feel some obligation to the team that believed in him as a smaller defence man and want to help the team as much as possibly before moving on.

What you’re suggesting is the most unlikely outcome. It’s more likely the Canucks would turn things around and Quinn forgoes playing with his brothers to sign long term there. Luke is going to get signed long term in NJ. Quinn signing for 3 years would be very shocking. You don’t see guys pass up long term deals. Jack’s not going leave Luke to go join up with Quinn elsewhere when the 3 of them can just play together in NJ.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

???

He openly talked about wanting to play in Montreal. It was widely discussed he would end up in Montreal and that the Habs did not need to trade anything of value for him. They could just wait and sign him for free.

Clearly, that did not work.

And dont presuppose the players want to stay in Jersey. Maybe they want to play with their brother somewhere else.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Player may want to play somewhere, but if a player wants to play with their brothers there is only one place.

"It may not boil down to money for him. He's said before, he wants to play with his brothers," says Rutherford about Quinn Hughes.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It was obvious. I remember his face when Luke was drafted. I sensed he was envious. His signing until 2027 instead of 2030 was another sign. Coincidentally, it's the minimum term to become a UFA. In 2022, seeing that Vancouver wouldn't go very far with the current group, I proposed a Nemec (highly rated at the time) for Q. Hughes trade.I remember being harassed by Canucks fans who didn't want to see it.

There. Here we are. It's clear he's going to leave. Obviously, today the trade wouldn't center around Nemec, who's no longer worth much.Silayev + Yegorov + Casey + Nemec + Hameenaho + 2 Round 1 picks (Vancouver with a rebuilding perspective).

For me, Quinn still has this idea. It was pointless to start the process without Luke being a part of the team. Now that it's done, the message has been conveyed. The three brothers are very close and want to build their legend together.

Yah I'm sure it was.... or maybe you are making a gigantic assumption based on a facial expression?

He signed for 7 years, the max he could have signed for was 8, please explain how we could have (somehow) signed him to a 9 year extension when that isn't even possible?

As you should have been, that was awful then and awful now.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yah I'm sure it was.... or maybe you are making a gigantic assumption based on a facial expression?

He signed for 7 years, the max he could have signed for was 8, please explain how we could have (somehow) signed him to a 9 year extension when that isn't even possible?

As you should have been, that was awful then and awful now.

You're both off lol. He signed for 6 of 8 not 7 so it would've went to 2029 not 2030.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yah I'm sure it was.... or maybe you are making a gigantic assumption based on a facial expression?

He signed for 7 years, the max he could have signed for was 8, please explain how we could have (somehow) signed him to a 9 year extension when that isn't even possible?

As you should have been, that was awful then and awful now.

Quinn was only signed for 6 years by Jimbo because they couldn’t afford to offer higher AAV for more term after the signings of Beagle, Roussel etc.

 

[Killing Joke]

How do the Canucks even trade for Jack and Luke? I mean Pettersson is an obvious start, but after that you'd need a large haul to grab them.

I mean, Vancouver might as well trade Quinn and get a large haul back from New Jersey. Or trade him to Chicago for Bedard.

Why would the Hawks trade for 2 years of Quinn and give up Bedard?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

As you should have been, that was awful then and awful now.

You should change the first letter of your username to the third letter of the alphabet. Your GM just acknowledged that Quinn wants to go to New Jersey, and you're still in denial. The only mistake in my analysis is forgetting that he wasted a year in 2018/19, but that doesn't change anything. He signed for six years instead of eight, and signed for the length of time that coincides with his transition from RFA to UFA. And now, Luke has just settled into New Jersey's roster and he wants to leave. It's a fact.

Afterwards, with a minimum of empathy, you can guess that if his two brothers are crazy happy to play together (crazy atmosphere in the Hughes family at the 2021 draft) - the third wants to live this story with them rather than being on the other side of the continent, in a team that has no exciting project next to that.

 

[jackjohnson]

It was obvious. I remember his face when Luke was drafted. I sensed he was envious. His signing until 2027 instead of 2030 was another sign. Coincidentally, it's the minimum term to become a UFA. In 2022, seeing that Vancouver wouldn't go very far with the current group, I proposed a Nemec (highly rated at the time) for Q. Hughes trade.I remember being harassed by Canucks fans who didn't want to see it.

There. Here we are. It's clear he's going to leave. Obviously, today the trade wouldn't center around Nemec, who's no longer worth much.Silayev + Yegorov + Casey + Nemec + Hameenaho + 2 Round 1 picks (Vancouver with a rebuilding perspective).

For me, Quinn still has this idea. It was pointless to start the process without Luke being a part of the team. Now that it's done, the message has been conveyed. The three brothers are very close and want to build their legend together.

Good thing you aren't a GM. You think that trading Hughes for Nemec knowing what you know now was a good idea Trading Hughes for Nemec was never a good idea in any time line. The fact that you know now that Hughes is one of the best dman in the league and Nemec is looking like a bust makes you look worst since you still think that trade would be great for Canucks. Just a tip, don't quite your day job.

 

[jackjohnson]

You should change the first letter of your username to the third letter of the alphabet. Your GM just acknowledged that Quinn wants to go to New Jersey, and you're still in denial. The only mistake in my analysis is forgetting that he wasted a year in 2018/19, but that doesn't change anything. He signed for six years instead of eight, and signed for the length of time that coincides with his transition from RFA to UFA. And now, Luke has just settled into New Jersey's roster and he wants to leave. It's a fact.

Afterwards, with a minimum of empathy, you can guess that if his two brothers are crazy happy to play together (crazy atmosphere in the Hughes family at the 2021 draft) - the third wants to live this story with them rather than being on the other side of the continent, in a team that has no exciting project next to that.

Not sure how you come up with a novel from something Rutherford spat out before taking his morning coffee and meds. What if Hughes signs with Canucks? Did you talk to Hughes or are you basing everything on Hughes facial expression? Did you talk to Hughes brothers? Everything you said is based on speculations. How do you know if Luke Hughes is happy in New Jersey? Maybe he wants to join Florida and wants to win a cup with them. It's all just something you made up in your head to create some narrative.

 

[rea]

I don't understand ppl saying devils just wait 2 yrs, which means 3 seasons from now that he'd be avail, so why pay? Alot can happen in 3 years . Devils team is ready to compete now, you don't know what happens w injury and such going fwd.

He won't sign for a song to play w his brothers , he is destined to still be the highest paid d by the time he hits FA.

We see it every year w teams . Rangers went from presidents trophy to missing the playoffs , Canucks went from being on the rise to now looking at rebuild. This is all in a year . Devils themselves face contracts and injury issues annually.

While I'm directing this thought to devils fans w the belief above, it goes for any team. The idea that since you probably could get said player in a couple years, ITS A COUPLE YEARS. That player could get , God forbid, a career altering injury, your teams core could go nuke itself ala Canucks. Maybe a lockout happens 2026 cuz they can't agree on cba nulling an extra season. Mb another team steps up and trades for him and he falls in love w that team and signs long term.

Like i always read this shit where fans would rather wait than pay, well a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Do so at your own risk.

 

[Hisch13r]

I don't understand ppl saying devils just wait 2 yrs, which means 3 seasons from now that he'd be avail, so why pay? Alot can happen in 3 years . Devils team is ready to compete now, you don't know what happens w injury and such going fwd.

He won't sign for a song to play w his brothers , he is destined to still be the highest paid d by the time he hits FA.

We see it every year w teams . Rangers went from presidents trophy to missing the playoffs , Canucks went from being on the rise to now looking at rebuild. This is all in a year . Devils themselves face contracts and injury issues annually.

While I'm directing this thought to devils fans w the belief above, it goes for any team. The idea that since you probably could get said player in a couple years, ITS A COUPLE YEARS. That player could get , God forbid, a career altering injury, your teams core could go nuke itself ala Canucks. Maybe a lockout happens 2026 cuz they can't agree on cba nulling an extra season. Mb another team steps up and trades for him and he falls in love w that team and signs long term.

Like i always read this shit where fans would rather wait than pay, well a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Do so at your own risk.

The backend is not a concern for the Devils. If Quinn can be had at a reasonable cost then make the deal. If not then you wait because it’s not the end of the world if he doesn’t come. Our problem is the forwards.

If Quinn was the exact same player but without any connection to the Devils then no one would be talking about the Devils trading for him. So why when there’s a chance he’ll come anyway should we overpay?

 

[Coffee]

@34 Sign Marner and then trade him to Van for Hughes. Add Two firsts. Rental or not, it’s Quinn Hughes

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Good thing you aren't a GM. You think that trading Hughes for Nemec knowing what you know now was a good idea Trading Hughes for Nemec was never a good idea in any time line. The fact that you know now that Hughes is one of the best dman in the league and Nemec is looking like a bust makes you look worst since you still think that trade would be great for Canucks. Just a tip, don't quite your day job.

Easy to say 3 years later. In 2022, Simon Nemec was the No. 2 draft pick. I would have gone for a rebuild 3 years ago because I felt the team was going nowhere with Hughes, Petterson, Miller, Boeser. What did Vancouver do for 3 years ? 3 years in the middle of the table, 2 of which were out of the playoffs. The worst-case scenario. Being a mid-table team, trending downward, with no prospects. Very pessimistic for Vancouver in the coming years.

With my strategy, Hughes would only have Nemec, but he'd probably already have elite talent born in 2005/2006/2007 in the pipeline. So, a head start, a long way ahead of Vancouver's inevitable rebuild.

 

[Jozay]

Depends on if the league feels it’s inevitable he ends up on New Jersey

 

[Hisch13r]

Depends on if the league feels it’s inevitable he ends up on New Jersey

We’ll see how it plays out but I think the only way it wouldn’t be inevitable he ends up a Devil IF he were to leave Vancouver is if a team were to trade for him. I think a team would have to trade for him and they have success to convince him to stay there. If no one takes the risk of trading for him then it will he inevitable he’ll go to NJ if he’s not staying in Vancouver

 

[jackjohnson]

Easy to say 3 years later. In 2022, Simon Nemec was the No. 2 draft pick. I would have gone for a rebuild 3 years ago because I felt the team was going nowhere with Hughes, Petterson, Miller, Boeser. What did Vancouver do for 3 years ? 3 years in the middle of the table, 2 of which were out of the playoffs. The worst-case scenario. Being a mid-table team, trending downward, with no prospects. Very pessimistic for Vancouver in the coming years.

With my strategy, Hughes would only have Nemec, but he'd probably already have elite talent born in 2005/2006/2007 in the pipeline. So, a head start, a long way ahead of Vancouver's inevitable rebuild.

This is why you are no GM. You wanted a rebuild at a tail end of a team.that had rebuilt with Miller, Pertersson, Hughes, Boeser playing in their prime or entering into their prime. You think those guys would stay for another 10 year rebuild? You think Canucks fans would be happy? You can't be a bottom.feedimg team for 20 years then when you have a down season, trade everyone again and start from scratch. You aren't playing Pokemon stadium video game, it's a business with money involved. Some of those teams that have been rebuilding for a long time with no end in sight were relocated eventually due to lack of attendance ex. Atlanta Thrashers, Arizona Coyotes

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

This is why you are no GM. You wanted a rebuild at a tail end of a team.that had rebuilt with Miller, Pertersson, Hughes, Boeser playing in their prime or entering into their prime. You think those guys would stay for another 10 year rebuild? You think Canucks fans would be happy? You can't be a bottom.feedimg team for 20 years then when you have a down season, trade everyone again and start from scratch. You aren't playing Pokemon stadium video game, it's a business with money involved. Some of those teams that have been rebuilding for a long time with no end in sight were relocated eventually due to lack of attendance ex. Atlanta Thrashers, Arizona Coyotes

Because I knew Quinn Hughes would ask to leave. Because I saw Elias Pettersson wouldn't be a good fit in the playoffs. Because I saw Brock Boeser no longer progress. Because I knew J.T. Miller was approaching his peak. Because I saw Vancouver going nowhere with this group.

One playoff appearance in five seasons. That's the group's record. The worst situation: no results, no draft picks.

You got that prime. Now the team is in decline. Miller is gone, Hughes wants out, and a very complicated season lies ahead.

I would have stopped after 2 years of significant failures. Last year I was very pleasantly surprised but it was just a good season isolated in a bad cycle.

 

[jackjohnson]

Because I knew Quinn Hughes would ask to leave. Because I saw Elias Pettersson wouldn't be a good fit in the playoffs. Because I saw Brock Boeser no longer progress. Because I knew J.T. Miller was approaching his peak. Because I saw Vancouver going nowhere with this group.

One playoff appearance in five seasons. That's the group's record. The worst situation: no results, no draft picks.

You got that prime. Now the team is in decline. Miller is gone, Hughes wants out, and a very complicated season lies ahead.

I would have stopped after 2 years of significant failures. Last year I was very pleasantly surprised but it was just a good season isolated in a bad cycle.

You saw the team trending down 4 years ago when they were actually trending up?? The fact that you lack patience would make you the worst for a GM job, even worst than Benning. Some of the impatient moves Benning did is also why Canucks are weaker now by trading 9th overall pick for OEL and trading players like Forsling.
You don't trade the whole team after 2 years of failure unless you want to be a basement dweller for eternity and then get relocated after attendance goes down to zero. Who wants to pay to watch a forever rebuilding team?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You should change the first letter of your username to the third letter of the alphabet. Your GM just acknowledged that Quinn wants to go to New Jersey, and you're still in denial. The only mistake in my analysis is forgetting that he wasted a year in 2018/19, but that doesn't change anything. He signed for six years instead of eight, and signed for the length of time that coincides with his transition from RFA to UFA. And now, Luke has just settled into New Jersey's roster and he wants to leave. It's a fact.

Afterwards, with a minimum of empathy, you can guess that if his two brothers are crazy happy to play together (crazy atmosphere in the Hughes family at the 2021 draft) - the third wants to live this story with them rather than being on the other side of the continent, in a team that has no exciting project next to that.

The old man who is our president put his foot in his mouth, yah, so. He didn't say he wants to go to New Jersey, he said he wants to play with his brothers, that doesn't absolutely mean he wants to go to the Devils. Maybe I am living in denial....


I was wrong about contract length, don't know why I thought it was 7 years my bad.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Maybe Luke signs a 5 years deal this summer that walks him right to UFA at 2030, Quinn signs an 8 year extension in the summer of 2026, and both Jack and Luke joins Quinn in Vancouver when they both hit UFA in 2030?

I mean, there is more than 1 way for Quinn to play with his brothers.

I'm obviously kidding, but I don't think anybody should just assume Quinn is heading to NJ in 2027 just because of one comment from JR, who spoke like he forgotten his meds that morning. Seriously, why go on and on about "what the Canucks can do" and proceed to "tempering" for no apparent reason? He was clearly just winging it at the press conference.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

You saw the team trending down 4 years ago when they were actually trending up?? The fact that you lack patience would make you the worst for a GM job, even worst than Benning. Some of the impatient moves Benning did is also why Canucks are weaker now by trading 9th overall pick for OEL and trading players like Forsling.
You don't trade the whole team after 2 years of failure unless you want to be a basement dweller for eternity and then get relocated after attendance goes down to zero. Who wants to pay to watch a forever rebuilding team?

I never had the ambition to be a GM. I just don't have the same ambitions. Forty-win seasons without a playoff run is the worst-case scenario for an NHL franchise. Especially if the team is supposed to be on the rise. If the only memorable thing about this team is the 2023/24 season, it wasn't worth wasting three years to get to the same point: rebuilding.

Yes, I had projected the situation as it was in 2025. Just as I projected what 2025 would be in 2005, I projected what 2025 would be like—the same way I project my stock market actions, the same way I project future moves in my chess games. Starting from a similar observation to what ultimately happened between 2022 and 2025, it wasn't worth going to war with that team. And I didn't even have the information on the Pettersson/Miller relationship. In today's NHL, to win the title against 31 teams, you can't settle for an average group. You'll have slightly satisfactory results at the peak of the group (in Vancouver's case, it only lasted one season) but with nothing. No participation in the conference finals, equivalent to a division title, I'm not even talking about the NHL title.

 

[Hisch13r]

The old man who is our president put his foot in his mouth, yah, so. He didn't say he wants to go to New Jersey, he said he wants to play with his brothers, that doesn't absolutely mean he wants to go to the Devils. Maybe I am living in denial....


I was wrong about contract length, don't know why I thought it was 7 years my bad.

I mean considering where his brothers are and their contract situations there's only one real way to read that and it's NJ. Maybe he'll forgo playing with his brothers and stay in Vancouver if things turn around or they don't turn it around but Quinn gets traded elsewhere and decides to extend there instead but if it's about playing with his brothers it means he wants to go to the Devils.

 

[settinguptheplay]

I never had the ambition to be a GM. I just don't have the same ambitions. Forty-win seasons without a playoff run is the worst-case scenario for an NHL franchise. Especially if the team is supposed to be on the rise. If the only memorable thing about this team is the 2023/24 season, it wasn't worth wasting three years to get to the same point: rebuilding.

Yes, I had projected the situation as it was in 2025. Just as I projected what 2025 would be in 2005, I projected what 2025 would be like—the same way I project my stock market actions, the same way I project future moves in my chess games. Starting from a similar observation to what ultimately happened between 2022 and 2025, it wasn't worth going to war with that team. And I didn't even have the information on the Pettersson/Miller relationship. In today's NHL, to win the title against 31 teams, you can't settle for an average group. You'll have slightly satisfactory results at the peak of the group (in Vancouver's case, it only lasted one season) but with nothing. No participation in the conference finals, equivalent to a division title, I'm not even talking about the NHL title.

What a nonsensical pile of lies. So as a non Canuck fan you predicted the results of another NHL team on the other side of the continent three year previous? Ya, I call bs on that one.

That said, on sports betting alone you must be a millionaire. Which you are not. Why not?

Cause its lies I say. Lies , lies and more darned lies!

 

[Soups On]

Because I knew Quinn Hughes would ask to leave. Because I saw Elias Pettersson wouldn't be a good fit in the playoffs. Because I saw Brock Boeser no longer progress. Because I knew J.T. Miller was approaching his peak. Because I saw Vancouver going nowhere with this group.

One playoff appearance in five seasons. That's the group's record. The worst situation: no results, no draft picks.

You got that prime. Now the team is in decline. Miller is gone, Hughes wants out, and a very complicated season lies ahead.

I would have stopped after 2 years of significant failures. Last year I was very pleasantly surprised but it was just a good season isolated in a bad cycle.

Oh yeah? Was this before or after he had 18 points in 17 games and then proceeded to score 100+ points 2 years later while playing selke level defense?

Give me a break. Yes. You are the Messiah. This season went to shit because of locker-room shit that no one saw coming (especially as intense as it was), a poor off-season for Petey from what seems like poor rehab around a damn tendonitis injury, major injuries to the teams top players (Boeser, Hronek, Demko, Hughes missed a few too, Joshua who had broken out literally had cancer), and a defense core that heavily regressed and got Desharnais/Juulsen'd into oblivion. Everything went wrong.

Going forward the defense and goaltending is great. The floor of the teams forwards has been significantly increased. They need to make a big push in the forward front and i'd imagine they'll trade their first and more, as well as seek out a top 6 forward in FA. Management made some obvious blunders and Rutherford needs to be locked behind closed doors. It's make or break for management this season and the expectations should be the playoffs.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

What a nonsensical pile of lies. So as a non Canuck fan you predicted the results of another NHL team on the other side of the continent three year previous? Ya, I call bs on that one.

That said, on sports betting alone you must be a millionaire. Which you are not. Why not?

Cause its lies I say. Lies , lies and more darned lies!

Weak argument. I have the season ticket, I watch all the teams, and I know almost every NHL player.

It would take me hours of pointless research to find my thread about a proposed trade between Quinn Hughes and Simon Nemec in 2022, but the mere fact that the trade proposal has aged very poorly should give you some assurance of the veracity of my statement.

That doesn't change the reality anyway.