Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes

Weak argument. I have the season ticket, I watch all the teams, and I know almost every NHL player.

It would take me hours of pointless research to find my thread about a proposed trade between Quinn Hughes and Simon Nemec in 2022, but the mere fact that the trade proposal has aged very poorly should give you some assurance of the veracity of my statement.

That doesn't change the reality anyway.

So your bad prediction from 3 years ago is somehow evidence that your predictions are true and you should be believed?

And anyone who claims that being a season ticket holder gives one some form of authority is laughable. I have been a hockey fan for nearly 60 years. I know ALL the players. Therefore I know more than you! See how silly comments like that are?

Oh, I was a pretty good Ice Hockey player myself. Therefore I know talent better than anyone. Takes talent to know talent... right?

I could go on all day.
 
These kinds of players are so rare that their value is never what they’re actually worth. But often they move for the equivalent of four firsts. So a combination of picks, prospects, and roster players that equal that. Pretty much what McDavid would cost, if on the market. Which would never be enough.
 
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So your bad prediction from 3 years ago is somehow evidence that your predictions are true and you should be believed?

And anyone who claims that being a season ticket holder gives one some form of authority is laughable. I have been a hockey fan for nearly 60 years. I know ALL the players. Therefore I know more than you! See how silly comments like that are?

Oh, I was a pretty good Ice Hockey player myself. Therefore I know talent better than anyone. Takes talent to know talent... right?

I could go on all day.

Everything is relative. What you call a pretty good player may mean insignificant compared to my career.
 
He'll be re-signed and given the biggest contract in defenseman history. Probably looking at $14 million a year and NJ can't afford that, nor do I think Hughes want to take icetime away from his younger brother.
I think Hughes gets north of 15 mil per if he wants it. We’re talking 2 years from now when the cap will be inflated.
 
A Liiga scout is a troll? lol

I don't know. Perhaps I am not comprehending what he is selling. Perhaps there is a language barrier. But his replies lean toward my assessment. He may very well be a scout. A great scout perhaps. But that does not give him enough expertise to know the future of an entire franchise three years down the road. Sorry. Not happening.

And if professional scouts were always right there would be no draft busts. Yet every year there is several in the 1st round alone.
 
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Quinn isn’t extension eligible until next summer not this one. It’s why I don’t think anything happens for another year. Also like I’ve said the issue with this package is Dougie has a 10 team trade list and I doubt a rebuilding Vancouver would be a place he wants to go.

Now Nemec+Mercer+Lenni+1st I’m in for next summer. Yeah the Mercer things hurts the depth but by next summer all 3 of Dougie/Palat/Dillon should be dumped. We should have space to build out a good forward group. The issue with building that forward group is Fitz is a dummy but I also don’t think he lasts that long.

These are serious questions: Don't you think Quinn Hughes would get more than that even as a rental at a 2027 trade deadline? He is literally a generational D Man. Do you think another team would not offer more than that. New Jersey, after that trade would be an immediate contender- any draft pick in that deal for "futures" is a second round pick, basically.
 
Whatever he gets, it'll be less than what Vancouver wants. Makes no sense for the Habs with Hutson. But I'll give it a go, Reinbacher, Hage, 1st this year and the following 1st
 
It was obvious. I remember his face when Luke was drafted. I sensed he was envious. His signing until 2027 instead of 2030 was another sign. Coincidentally, it's the minimum term to become a UFA. In 2022, seeing that Vancouver wouldn't go very far with the current group, I proposed a Nemec (highly rated at the time) for Q. Hughes trade.I remember being harassed by Canucks fans who didn't want to see it.

There. Here we are. It's clear he's going to leave. Obviously, today the trade wouldn't center around Nemec, who's no longer worth much.Silayev + Yegorov + Casey + Nemec + Hameenaho + 2 Round 1 picks (Vancouver with a rebuilding perspective).

For me, Quinn still has this idea. It was pointless to start the process without Luke being a part of the team. Now that it's done, the message has been conveyed. The three brothers are very close and want to build their legend together.
That's some solid weed you're smoking on that group going back. Why do we give up all this instead of waiting.
 
Quinn made it clear his intentions are NJ so he isn't going to give 100% to Vancouver or whatever team that's foolish enough to trade for him.

The best thing for all parties is send him to NJ and gain some value at least

I don't see the point in dragging it out 2 years..it benefits no one

Dumbest theory in history
 
That's some solid weed you're smoking on that group going back. Why do we give up all this instead of waiting.

2 chances to play for the title wasted to keep guys who don't play in the NHL. Casey & Nemec would be useless, the two late 1st round picks often don't give anything, the others will perhaps be in the NHL with no guarantee of shining there, far from it. You can easily replace that with a guy signed on the free agent market.
 
The backend is not a concern for the Devils. If Quinn can be had at a reasonable cost then make the deal. If not then you wait because it’s not the end of the world if he doesn’t come. Our problem is the forwards.

I won't presume to try to tell you what your team needs and doesn't need. But just a quick glance shows me ur team has 3 dmen signed after this yr long term, into the expected UFA year for qh , in Hamilton, Dillon, and pesce , who are on the wrong side of 30. Needing to re-up luke which is likely to be a big deal as well as nemec , there will prob be a need to jettison one or 2 of the higher priced old d. By the time Quinn is ufa, so is hischier, Dawson, noeson.

Also, we aren't talking about just any dman. It's not just about the position in definition, it's how he would elevate every player on the ice with him when he's on. I won't even accept a disrespectful debate about him that he isn't universally viewed as one of the top 2 dmen currently in this league. I won't look up the metrics, but they're easily accessible. Just Google what Vancouver's play was like with and without him on the ice or in a game. New Jersey paid a pretty penny to bring in markstrom, pesce, Dillon, Meier, etc because they're trying to win now. Leaving it up to chance because you feel it's not necessary in the present , well again ,for all we know in 3 yrs it won't matter anyways.

Given the age of the players on nj in 3 yrs, there will be tons of turnover in that span either way.

If Quinn was the exact same player but without any connection to the Devils then no one would be talking about the Devils trading for him. So why when there’s a chance he’ll come anyway should we overpay?

You're right, nj wouldn't even be mentioned if not for the connection. But we are working on the reality that there is. If makar was connected to your team, you aren't emptying the piggy bank to get him now? Again if you want to wait, you're team, like every in the league, will make a lot of turnover and there is no guarantee where it leads.

The goal in the end, ultimately for any team, fan base, is to win the cup. Is your team better equipped to do that in the next couple yrs or after qh is a UFA. Again, just quick glance, Jersey will need a new goalie by then, Hamilton is 34,pesce 33, Dillon 37, Meier 31. This goes without hopefully any major injuries to anyone.

It's nice to have a great collection of players, but every team is here to win the cup. Like if you feel just waiting it out is the better option, np, you could be right. Again , all I'm saying is a lot can change in a year, let alone 2.

As a Canucks fan, i pray he just signs a max contract to stay . Not one Canuck fan wants to lose this guy. Given Vancouver's honestly pretty terrible history, a select few yrs we pride ourselves on which ultimately we still lost, it's marred with hijinx. We've had some great players here, but there's a very strong argument that Quinns value and talent, would rank at the top of this teams importance in any era.

Sorry for my long drawn out views, I understand everyone wants subjectively, and biasedly, what won't cost their team heavily to acquire whomever it is, as they see it .

Bottom line is , every team is building to win a cup. Lucky for your fan base, y'all have experienced winning it all, so mb it doesn't matter to the lot of you who feel it unnecessary to pay for a big piece present time to up chances to win another.
 

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