Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%
  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%

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MAB1

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Jimmy Butler also turns it up like 5 notches in the playoffs.
Yeah he's like a mini Kawhi in that sense. Great player, every team that's traded him has been worse off for it.

Philly threw away a potential dynasty siding with Simmons and Brett Brown over Butler

Could you imagine if they kept Butler over Harris and still made the Harden trade? Good luck stopping Embiid and Butler in the playoffs let alone with Harden.
 

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Sources: Raptors' coaching search expected to be broad in scope

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Adrian Wojnarowski
Senior NBA Insider

The Toronto Raptors have embarked on a head-coaching search that's expected to be broad in scope and include a robust initial wave of candidates among NBA assistants, ex-NBA head coaches and NCAA and WNBA coaches, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

The Raptors have gathered permission to interview several top assistant coaches to open up the process, including: Golden State's Kenny Atkinson, Milwaukee's Charles Lee, Phoenix's Kevin Young, San Antonio's Mitch Johnson, Sacramento's Jordi Fernandez, Memphis' Darko Rajakovic and Miami's Chris Quinn, sources said.

The Raptors are requesting permission to talk to other assistant coaches, too, sources said.

The Raptors also secured permission to speak to Las Vegas Aces coach Becky Hammon, sources said.
Hammon led the franchise to the 2022 WNBA championship and was voted the league's coach of the year. She spent eight seasons as an assistant with the Spurs.

The Raptors are also expected to interview current assistant coach Adrian Griffin, sources said.

Toronto parted ways with Nick Nurse last week after going 41-41 this season before losing to the Chicago Bulls in the 9-10 game of the Eastern Conference play-in tournament.
 
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Re-listening to the Boucher interview reformed my issue with Nurse and the bench.

As of right now, I am fairly confident that Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher and GTJ (if he's back) deserve minutes.

After that, I can't name a single bench player that absolutely should or should not get significant minutes (because everything they've done is in small samples). The thing is that practice and game are not the same thing, so Masai does not know either. That leaves Nurse essentially dictating which players are staying and going based on his own opinions.

In 8 games, it seemed like Otto Porter was going to be a decent backup, so he might make 4 of 5 towards a 2nd unit.

One of the most glaring problems on this team is usage.

Of the 6 guys that played the most, the ONLY one whose first NBA coach was Nurse is Scottie (and his development stalled). That's also true of the next 5! highest MPG guys.

After that, there's Barton (waiver fodder), Birch (end of the bench big who was a starter under Nurse two years ago) and a bunch of guys of whom the oldest is 25 year-old Dowtin.
 
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Would you take him in Toronto? Statiscally one of the best wing defenders, Canadian, contributes offensively. But also a potential distraction that tried calling out the GOAT and got burned..


 
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After lunch, Patrick brought Udoka back to the Post Oak for the final and most important meeting — one with Tilman Fertitta. Given that Stone and Fertitta were already well aligned, he knew Fertitta trusted his word. Stone, wanted Tilman Fertitta to meet Udoka for himself and come to his own conclusions without any preconceived bias.

Udoka and Fertitta were supposed to meet for roughly an hour. In the midst of their conversation, they learned they had some commonalities.

“What we like about (Udoka) is his ability to coach a basketball team,” Fertitta said. “He’s going to hold these guys to toughness, respectability, accountability. It’s everything how I like to run a business — structure and everybody having the right guy they can communicate with.”

Udoka asked Fertitta about his level of involvement with the team, his commitment to the city, franchise and ultimately, winning. Fertitta’s desire for an NBA championship is well-documented dating back to when he first purchased the team in 2017. He’s made no secret of his expectations and expressed that to Udoka.

“Hopefully, soon, I won’t be up here for anything except to tell you how great it was to win a championship,” Fertitta said. “That’s in Phase 3. You had to crawl, now we’re gonna walk and then we’re gonna run.”


Udoka expressed a willingness to be open and creative, especially with a Rockets roster featuring different types of players. Most importantly, however, he would bring order to a team that was beginning to grow accustomed to chaos. The meeting lasted several hours longer than expected before Udoka met Stone and Witus again for dinner around 9:30 p.m. By the time Udoka left the building Fertitta was sold. He spoke to Stone and his son Patrick, and expressed a readiness to finalize something with Udoka as soon as possible.

The next day, the Rockets brass met again. Stone and Udoka continued to correspond over the next 48 hours, shorter conversations by text and longer ones by phone. When Nurse was officially fired by the Raptors on Friday afternoon, emergency talks were held. Nurse’s camp had already communicated interest to Houston and there were thoughts as to whether or not the team should proceed with their original plan of a second round of interviews the following week, bringing Udoka, Vogel and now Nurse into the equation. The Rockets figured the new opening in Toronto might appeal to Udoka, especially given a more talented roster and his close relationship with Raptors president Masai Ujiri. The Detroit Pistons were another rebuilding organization looking for a new head coach.

Still, Stone kept his aggressive approach. Although the Rockets didn’t want to rush things, they hoped to have the interview process done before the upcoming draft combine. Internal talks continued well into the weekend and despite Nurse being championed on social media as the popular choice, the winds were blowing stronger in Udoka’s direction.


But ownership also wanted to make sure Gretchen Sheirr, the team’s president of business operations and one of the few women in the league currently holding that title, was on board with the hiring.

“I discussed it with the president of our organization, who is a woman, and she was very comfortable with the situation, as well as talking to Paige (Fertitta, part of the ownership group) about it,” Tilman Fertitta said.

By Sunday evening, it was clear, according to league and team sources, that Udoka was the choice.
 

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Would you take him in Toronto? Statiscally one of the best wing defenders, Canadian, contributes offensively. But also a potential distraction that tried calling out the GOAT and got burned..





With a new coach coming in absolutely not.


If we had an established long time veteran coach who could control him and put him in his place I'd consider it but not with a new coach needing to establish him/herself.
 

Bjindaho

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Brooks is an interesting case.

For me, it depends on the money. If he's coming as a free and clear bench piece making little to nothing, I'd have to think long and hard. He is another shooter to throw on the bench.

If Memphis was looking at GTJ, he'd be an interesting piece to use for matching purposes to get better assets in a sign and trade (this is the only way he makes any decent amount of money).

I trust management to know whether or not he is worth acquiring (especially given that he and Boucher are friends, so Chris can speak to the person he is).
 

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Competing executives around the league don't expect the Raptors to retain Gary Trent Jr., who may opt out of his $18.8 million contract. But he'll need to do his homework to ensure that money is available in free agency (which may not be a lock in this market). Instead, he may opt in and eventually be traded by the Raptors.


Poeltl a 'Lock' in Toronto

Per multiple sources around the league, the Toronto Raptors are a "lock" to bring back center Jakob Poeltl, whom the team initially drafted at No. 9 in 2016. He was a necessary sacrifice in 2018, sent to the San Antonio Spurs in a package for Kawhi Leonard.


The Spurs sent him back to Toronto in February, and the Raptors didn't give up a protected 2024 first-round pick to rent his services for a few months. While Toronto has several decisions to make this offseason concerning the future of Pascal Siakam, O.G. Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr., pencil Poeltl back with the team.

The question will be price, and Poeltl may not find significant interest from the teams with cap space, likely placing him in the NTMLE range. That might lead Toronto to pay him in the $13-15 million starting range.
 

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Nope. I like Siakim alot but his current contract should be his max. Boston and Phoenix will be looking to shake up their rosters. Sign and trades are very possible... all the guys we didnt trade at the deadline can still be assets even if its getting someone like Ayton. He is going to be going for scraps potentially... Id happily sign Fred and swap them, Chris Paul cant be relied on to be in the line up and that killed them. Ayton was a big problem but he has wanted out for 2 years, id gamble on him.
 
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The Nemesis

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What a dope. All that talent, all that money, and a very specific edict of the kind of stuff he can't do if he expects to continue receiving the privilege of playing and being a star in the NBA and he just can't help himself.
 

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