Utah is number 1 in increased value.

[Coyotedroppings]

So, I guess Musk is not a successful businessman by your standards?

Look Jakey, you can praise the guys bottom line all you want, but that doesn’t change the obvious fact that the guy wanted to be in the club. The NBA turned him away, he found himself a spot in the NHL and was removed from the club as a failure.
Failure is the opposite of success.

 

[PainForShane]

So, I guess Musk is not a successful businessman by your standards?

I brought up Elon as an example to demonstrate that he, not his upper / middle managers, are ultimately responsible for the businesses he owns.

By the way you framed your question, seems pretty clear that you agree with this statement even though you were arguing the literal opposite of this a couple posts ago

 

[Jakey53]

Look Jakey, you can praise the guys bottom line all you want, but that doesn’t change the obvious fact that the guy wanted to be in the club. The NBA turned him away, he found himself a spot in the NHL and was removed from the club as a failure.
Failure is the opposite of success.

That's your opinion. Being turned away by the NBA or the NHL doesn't mean such person is a business failure. AM is such a slimy asshat that Nevada granted him a casino license.

I brought up Elon as an example to demonstrate that he, not his upper / middle managers, are ultimately responsible for the businesses he owns.

By the way you framed your question, seems pretty clear that you agree with this statement even though you were arguing the literal opposite of this a couple posts ago

I guess we have a different definition of business success.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Is it possible that Meruelo has been both very successful in business AND a huge failure with the Coyotes? That even the most successful people don't succeed all the time?

It's not one or the other. It's both true.

Edit: And yes Jakey, I'm stating that as fact

 

[Mangosteen]

I guess we have a different definition of business success.

This is the biggest problem with business and society today! For a business to be successful it must generate money for it's shareholders, strong ROI and good cash flow. Some of the most unethical son of bitches are deemed to be successful. I believe success should be judged on the impact it has to it's workers, environment and it's community first. Shareholder should be towards the end of evaluating if a company is successful. Sorry hot button getting off my milk create.

 

[TheLegend]

So, I guess Musk is not a successful businessman by your standards?

Buying the largest social media platform on the planet for $44 billion and turning it's value into a $9 billion platform as of this year isn't what I would call a success.

Understand something about Elon Musk. He is/was not a ground up successful businessman. He was seeded with tens of millions in play money by his father and sent off to college in Canada and the US.

He's what I would call an expert at playing the OPM game. He did not create Tesla, nor SpaceX for that matter. And those two companies could thrive on their own in spite of him. But he's a master at finding the right idea at the right time and manipulating his way into the top spot for it.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

That's your opinion. Being turned away by the NBA or the NHL doesn't mean such person is a business failure. AM is such a slimy asshat that Nevada granted him a casino license.

Not an opinion Jakey. He lost a team/franchise, that he obviously wanted, which equals failure regarding the topic at hand. We’re not discussing making pizza, renting tuxedo’s, or gambling. This is a hockey forum.

 

[Jakey53]

Is it possible that Meruelo has been both very successful in business AND a huge failure with the Coyotes? That even the most successful people don't succeed all the time?

It's not one or the other. It's both true.

Edit: And yes Jakey, I'm stating that as fact

And that is life. We all have our failures, but the question was, do you consider AM a successful businessman? If it makes you feel better, I would bet that AM has had more than one business failure.

 

[Jakey53]

Not an opinion Jakey. He lost a team/franchise, that he obviously wanted, which equals failure regarding the topic at hand. We’re not discussing making pizza, renting tuxedo’s, or gambling. This is a hockey forum.

Buying the largest social media platform on the planet for $44 billion and turning it's value into a $9 billion platform as of this year isn't what I would call a success.

Understand something about Elon Musk. He is/was not a ground up successful businessman. He was seeded with tens of millions in play money by his father and sent off to college in Canada and the US.

He's what I would call an expert at playing the OPM game. He did not create Tesla, nor SpaceX for that matter. And those two companies could thrive on their own in spite of him. But he's a master at finding the right idea at the right time and manipulating his way into the top spot for it.

The richest man in the world and all you can say is this?

Not an opinion Jakey. He lost a team/franchise, that he obviously wanted, which equals failure regarding the topic at hand. We’re not discussing making pizza, renting tuxedo’s, or gambling. This is a hockey forum.

Like I said, we all have our failures in life/business, but that doesn't make one a failure of either.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Like I said, we all have our failures in life/business, but that doesn't make one a failure of either.

He was extremely successful at losing the franchise, I’ll give you that.

 

[TheLegend]

The richest man in the world and all you can say is this?

Oh..... so you're one of those "size means everything" guys.

 

[TheLegend]

He was extremely successful at losing the franchise, I’ll give you that.

Coyotes were the first one.....

Something popped into my head a long time ago...... that you have to think that a 40 year perfect record of revitalizing failing businesses...... the odds were going to finally catch up to him.

It was "The Perfect [Coyotes] Storm" kind of thing.

 

[Jakey53]

He was extremely successful at losing the franchise, I’ll give you that.

I believe he wanted to keep the franchise, and looking from the outside it looks like he may have done things differently, but we will never know for sure. Even then AM made millions selling the franchise.

Coyotes were the first one.....

Something popped into my head a long time ago...... that you have to think that a 40 year perfect record of revitalizing failing businesses...... the odds were going to finally catch up to him.

It was "The Perfect [Coyotes] Storm" kind of thing.

How much did AM make on the Coyote's? Boy, would I like those kind of odds, and profits. Just one time, I'm not greedy.

 

[Jakey53]

Oh..... so you're one of those "size means everything" guys.

If there are $$$$ signs attached, you bet.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I believe he wanted to keep the franchise, and looking from the outside it looks like he may have done things differently, but we will never know for sure. Even then AM made millions selling the franchise.

No doubt he’d have done things differently, unless he and Gary were in cahoots all along.

Coyotes were the first one.....

Something popped into my head a long time ago...... that you have to think that a 40 year perfect record of revitalizing failing businesses...... the odds were going to finally catch up to him.

Well, the arrogance born of that success lost him a franchise and us our team…. Although I still stand by my assertion that had fans supported, there would have never been a need for AM.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

How much did AM make on the Coyote's? Boy, would I like those kind of odds, and profits. Just one time, I'm not greedy.

You could move back home, convert to loonies and have over a third again as much!

 

[cobra427]

This is the biggest problem with business and society today! For a business to be successful it must generate money for it's shareholders, strong ROI and good cash flow. Some of the most unethical son of bitches are deemed to be successful. I believe success should be judged on the impact it has to it's workers, environment and it's community first. Shareholder should be towards the end of evaluating if a company is successful. Sorry hot button getting off my milk create.

Just because you have a successful business, it doesn't make you a bad guy. Jerks exist at all levels, the rich to the poor. There are plenty of people that are difficult to work for yet are successful, Balmer/Jobs/Musk/Trump to name a few. Sainthood isn't a prerequisite for business success.

 

[cobra427]

Buying the largest social media platform on the planet for $44 billion and turning it's value into a $9 billion platform as of this year isn't what I would call a success.

Understand something about Elon Musk. He is/was not a ground up successful businessman. He was seeded with tens of millions in play money by his father and sent off to college in Canada and the US.

He's what I would call an expert at playing the OPM game. He did not create Tesla, nor SpaceX for that matter. And those two companies could thrive on their own in spite of him. But he's a master at finding the right idea at the right time and manipulating his way into the top spot for it.

So you are saying the wealthiest man in the world is not a success? LOL, all I can say... You have absolutely zero idea what Musk did and the risk he took to get where he is today. You make what he did sound easy or was gifted to him, why don't others do the same thing, must be easy, right

 

[cobra427]

Not an opinion Jakey. He lost a team/franchise, that he obviously wanted, which equals failure regarding the topic at hand. We’re not discussing making pizza, renting tuxedo’s, or gambling. This is a hockey forum.

I wish my unsuccessful moves made me a few hundred million. If he paid a billion and lost it to another market for $500 million, then yes, thats not a success, he did the opposite.

In retrospect, we were super lucky to have a team as long as we did, you can thank Betman for that. He finally gave up the ghost after 20 years of mirrors.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Re: Elon - the last 20 years it really does now seem like we've been watching the back story of a Bond villain... I mean, it's too bad Christopher Walken is so much older now - but yeah, replace Grace Jones with Grimes (not you, @Grimes) and it's "A View To A Kill"

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I wish my unsuccessful moves made me a few hundred million. If he paid a billion and lost it to another market for $500 million, then yes, thats not a success, he did the opposite.

In retrospect, we were super lucky to have a team as long as we did, you can thank Betman for that. He finally gave up the ghost after 20 years of mirrors.

Agree with your second paragraph. As for your first, your point is only valid if dollars were his driving force, which is rarely the case for these "I sure as shit want to win" types.... thus: failure.

Most importantly it's a failure to us as fans (this isn't the BOH, or how to f*** over fans thread), this is a team/franchise thread and what we care about is not AM's wealth..... unless he were to have been smart enough to utilize it to stay in the valley.