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I'm reminded of the 2019 World Champions where the winning Team Finland was captained by offensive powerhouse Marko Anttila...

I'm not sure there's such an automatic drop in performance from Finland's Team A to Team B. The teamwork always matters in these tourneys. So it seems silly to assume that USA's Team B beats even Finland's Team B on their talent alone -- let alone Finland's Team A if NHL allows participation.

I mean, it's like a matter of record, isn't it...
 
KillerMillerTime said:
As all our hockey crazed Canadians on HF are want to tell us, their "B"
team could beat everyones A Squad.

So I thought I would ask how a USA B Team would do against the A
teams of the other big 6 excluding Canada.

I'm assuming a 20 Team A squad. The A squad would be:

G Hellebucyk/Gibson
D Werenski/Jones, Slavin/Carlson, McDonough/McAvoy
C Eichel/Matthews/Larkin/Coyle LW Krieder/Tkachuk/Gaudreau/Miller
RW Kane/Oshie/Wheeler/Boeser


So this would be a representative B squad with a wrinkle or two up front.

G Quick-Demko
D Hughes/E Johnson Dumoulin/Petry. Fowler/Trouba
F Pacioretty Stastny Tuch
Lee. Nelson Connor
JVR Hayes. Guentzel
Saad Schmaltz. DeBrincat

Tough to not have Hughes on the A team but I can see Hughes for McAvoy
or Hughes for McDonagh. Half the US lines have completely
been teammates so that's the wrinkle up front. Nelson's and Hayes have
a teammate.

So if there was a best 2/3 here is my guess on the results:

Russia 2. USA 1
USA 2. Sweden 1
USA 2. Finland 1
USA 2. Czech Rep 0
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I took a look at NHL (fantasy) ranking.

* means that a player isn’t in the fantasy ranking

25 best Goalkeepers
3 Lehner
18 Markström
* Quick (US)
* Demko (US)

Link

50 best defenders
1. Hedman
14. E. Karlsson
17. Klingberg
18. Dahlin
24. Klefbom
28. Petry (US)
37 Ekblad (US)
39. Trouba (US)
42. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
* D. Hughes (US)
* E. Johnson (US)
* Dumoulin (US)
* Fowler (US)

Link

Top 100 Forwards
8. Pettersson
18. Zibanejad
22. Guentzel (US)
25. Landeskog
28. Pacioretty (US)
32. K. Connor (US)
42. Backstrom
54. Burakovsky
55. Nylander
63. F. Forsberg
65. E. Lindholm
85. V. Olofsson
92. Hornqvist
93. B. Nelson (US)
97. W. Karlsson
* Rakell
* Stastny (US)
* Tuch (US)
* Hayes (US)
* Saad (US)
* Schmaltz (US)
* DeBrincat (US)
* Lee (US)
* Van Riemsdyk (US)

Link

If you go by the NHL ranking I guess you are basically comparing All Star players with run of the mill players. :D
 
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The B team you mention could beat Sweden Finland and Russia A teams but I think the A teams mentioned would beat the US B team.

Just like the B team could beat the US A team but again I fancy the US A team to win that one.
 
David OSullivan said:
The B team you mention could beat Sweden Finland and Russia A teams but I think the A teams mentioned would beat the US B team.

Just like the B team could beat the US A team but again I fancy the US A team to win that one.
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If you take luck out of the equation then Sweden A will easily beat USA B. No question about it.
 
KillerMillerTime said:
As all our hockey crazed Canadians on HF are want to tell us, their "B"
team could beat everyones A Squad.

So I thought I would ask how a USA B Team would do against the A
teams of the other big 6 excluding Canada.

I'm assuming a 20 Team A squad. The A squad would be:

G Hellebucyk/Gibson
D Werenski/Jones, Slavin/Carlson, McDonough/McAvoy
C Eichel/Matthews/Larkin/Coyle LW Krieder/Tkachuk/Gaudreau/Miller
RW Kane/Oshie/Wheeler/Boeser


So this would be a representative B squad with a wrinkle or two up front.

G Quick-Demko
D Hughes/E Johnson Dumoulin/Petry. Fowler/Trouba
F Pacioretty Stastny Tuch
Lee. Nelson Connor
JVR Hayes. Guentzel
Saad Schmaltz. DeBrincat

Tough to not have Hughes on the A team but I can see Hughes for McAvoy
or Hughes for McDonagh. Half the US lines have completely
been teammates so that's the wrinkle up front. Nelson's and Hayes have
a teammate.

So if there was a best 2/3 here is my guess on the results:

Russia 2. USA 1
USA 2. Sweden 1
USA 2. Finland 1
USA 2. Czech Rep 0
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They would not win games against Russia, Sweden, Finland and Canada(why exckude them?)
 
Team Sweden B:

Anders Nilsson
Högberg
Lundkvist

Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Edler - Hjalmarsson
Brodin - Rasmus Andersson

Nyquist - Söderberg - Hörnqvist
Andreas Johnson - Wennberg - Marcus Johansson
Fast - Järnkrok - A.Kempe
Janmark - Eriksson Ek - Sundqvist
 
Stubu said:
I'm reminded of the 2019 World Champions where the winning Team Finland was captained by offensive powerhouse Marko Anttila...

I'm not sure there's such an automatic drop in performance from Finland's Team A to Team B. The teamwork always matters in these tourneys. So it seems silly to assume that USA's Team B beats even Finland's Team B on their talent alone -- let alone Finland's Team A if NHL allows participation.

I mean, it's like a matter of record, isn't it...
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Eye of Ra said:
Team Sweden B:

Anders Nilsson
Högberg
Lundkvist

Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Edler - Hjalmarsson
Brodin - Rasmus Andersson

Nyquist - Söderberg - Hörnqvist
Andreas Johnson - Wennberg - Marcus Johansson
Fast - Järnkrok - A.Kempe
Janmark - Eriksson Ek - Sundqvist
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US B Team dusts that team in 5 games best of 7.

Sweden's F and G aren't very good.
 
I agree that the Team USA B and C squads looks a lot better than most others’ potential B squads, but I’m not looking even at the A squad thinking that it’s necessarily beating Russia, Sweden or Finland at a best on best

All four teams would ice formidable goaltenders, I like Russia and Finland’s potential top six at least as much as Team USA’s, but Sweden’s forward depth and high-end scoring talent also looks very nice, and its D-corps is stellar. I feel like all these teams could beat anything thrown at them on any given day.

Team USA’s B squad in the OP... It’s impressive that the US has this depth and it looks like a very serviceable roster, but besides Hughes maybe, I’m not seeing really seeing any gamebreakers, the top six simply is not better than Russia, Sweden or Finland’s, and the goaltending, well I don’t really think that Quick or Demko is better today than Vasilevskiy, Rask or Lehner/Markström, but I think all of them can steal games. Best single game performance by a goaltender in the 2014 Olympics was by Latvian Kristers Gudlevskis, who stopped 55 shots against Canada and was looking poised to turn the entire Canadian mission on its rear. While facing Quick would be a bigger concern for anyone than facing a Latvian who couldn’t crack the NHL, I don’t think that the appreciated quality of a team’s goaltending tends to be as much of a factor in short international tournaments as it is over the course of a playoff series, for instance.
 
Salmonsnake said:
Sweden, Russia, Finland demolishes that team.
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No they most certainly don't.

The NYI took a team better than Finland A to six games with a defense corp of 3 US players that literally wouldn't make a US C team. So no they wouldn't be "demolished" by Sweden, Russia and most certainly Finland.
 
Stubu said:
I'm reminded of the 2019 World Champions where the winning Team Finland was captained by offensive powerhouse Marko Anttila...

I'm not sure there's such an automatic drop in performance from Finland's Team A to Team B. The teamwork always matters in these tourneys. So it seems silly to assume that USA's Team B beats even Finland's Team B on their talent alone -- let alone Finland's Team A if NHL allows participation.

I mean, it's like a matter of record, isn't it...
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I'm reminded of the 1972 Olympics where a group
of NCAA College All Stars , 11th grader (Mark Howe)
and a senior league goalie beat the Czech's and then
beat the Czech's again in '80 with the same player mix
minus an 11th grader.

Thats a matter of record isn't it?
 
KillerMillerTime said:
I'm reminded of the 1972 Olympics where a group
of NCAA College All Stars , 11th grader (Mark Howe)
and a senior league goalie beat the Czech's and then
beat the Czech's again in '80 with the same player mix
minus an 11th grader.

Thats a matter of record isn't it?
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Those were like 40+ years ago lol, Finland did it last year :huh:
 
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KillerMillerTime said:
No they most certainly don't.

The NYI took a team better than Finland A to six games with a defense corp of 3 US players that literally wouldn't make a US C team. So no they wouldn't be "demolished" by Sweden, Russia and most certainly Finland.
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I wouldn't say Tampa is a better team than Finlands NT.

Regarding Sweden we would eat your B team for breakfast, then we go to the toilette and have a massive dump of US B team. Lastly we will wipe of what remains of the B team with some toilette paper and soap and then we wash down your B team where it belong. :D
 
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KillerMillerTime said:
I'm reminded of the 1972 Olympics where a group
of NCAA College All Stars , 11th grader (Mark Howe)
and a senior league goalie beat the Czech's and then
beat the Czech's again in '80 with the same player mix
minus an 11th grader.

Thats a matter of record isn't it?
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What do upsets from 40-50 years ago have to do with anything? How are those remotely comparable to today's hockey?
I mean Poland beat the Soviet Union in 1976. That must mean every ECHL team has a good chance at beating the Stanley Cup Champion, right?
 
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KillerMillerTime said:
I'm reminded of the 1972 Olympics where a group
of NCAA College All Stars , 11th grader (Mark Howe)
and a senior league goalie beat the Czech's and then
beat the Czech's again in '80 with the same player mix
minus an 11th grader.

Thats a matter of record isn't it?
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Most definitely, thank you for pointing it out. The miracle on ice that only later got capitalized as a term or refrigeration industry standard
 
Zine said:
What do upsets from 40-50 years ago have to do with anything? How are those remotely comparable to today's hockey?
I mean Poland beat the Soviet Union in 1976. That must mean every ECHL team has a good chance at beating the Stanley Cup Champion, right?
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You might be in Rostov but old people in Murica still laugh at Nokia, as you should; but there was a time when Nokia, Mitsubishi, Iiyama, Sony were head to head about the best computer monitor.

Sony's/Mitsu's trinitron/diamondtron tube tech won, then lost to Taiwan's and South Korea's oomph with the new stuff.

Still miss the old tubes, easier on the eyes than this sorry fruit phone.
 
However, the Elbrus project with its weird very-VLIW idea should not be forgotten.

This might be straying afar from junior national teams of hockey stickpuck
 
KillerMillerTime said:
No they most certainly don't.

The NYI took a team better than Finland A to six games with a defense corp of 3 US players that literally wouldn't make a US C team. So no they wouldn't be "demolished" by Sweden, Russia and most certainly Finland.
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My experiences in last 20 Years is, that USA A hav e much trouble with the 3 europeans. US is a little bit too overrated.
 
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