Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

[DylanSensFan]

The move comes as a surprise to me. However, I am willing to give Staios a shot. I do think he is intelligent and though a rookie in terms of general management in the NHL, his hockey sense will help this team. Coupled with Poulin, I am curious what their plan is and how/if they can shape our team into a winner

 

[bert]

This new owner has hired two guys off the local radio station. You like those optics Bert? What’s next? Mike Johnson as a senior advisor and Eric Macramala on the legal advisory side?

I want a GM with experience. No one was considered. No one was interviewed. Doesn’t sound Melnykian at all eh.

And if I hear “stability” one more time from Andlauer I am going to give him my tickets back

You stuck through the melnyk years and this is your breaking point? You're either a drama queen or hockey illiterate. Imagine actually looking at Dave Poulins resume and calling him a radio hire. I can't imagine having the inability to decipher the difference between the melnyk hires and the andlauer hires while trying to maintain any level of relevance when considering your opinion.

 

[Samsquanch]

You stuck through the melnyk years and this is your breaking point? You're either a drama queen or hockey illiterate. Imagine actually looking at Dave Poulins resume and calling him a radio hire. I can't imagine having the inability to decipher the difference between the melnyk hires and the andlauer hires while trying to maintain any level of relevance when considering your opinion.

I'll go with option #1, drama queen, because clearly they can read just well enough to get themselves into trouble.

It's so hilarious and sad and completely predictable that we already see some of the usual suspects already up in arms with Andlauer and SS..... just four months after taking ownership - and purging away they very people they loathed the most of all.......

Melnyk is dead, and Dorion got fired my dudes. DJ too. And none of them are ever coming back to haunt us. Let go of the hate. There are many other numbers in between 0 and 100 - and it doesn't have to be one or the other with your feelings on the Senators anymore.

Give it time, give your a head a shake, and let's see where it goes from here. The only people added to hockey ops thus far have been good hockey people. That's good. Let's see what they do for a coaching staff and with some time first before we grab the pitchforks and aĺl declare #lies wErE NoT bESt iN cLaSs derp derp.... FFS.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'll go with option #1, drama queen, because clearly they can read just well enough to get themselves into trouble.

It's so hilarious and sad and completely predictable that we already see some of the usual suspects already up in arms with Andlauer and SS..... just four months after taking ownership - and purging away they very people they loathed the most of all.......

Melnyk is dead, and Dorion got fired my dudes. DJ too. And none of them are ever coming back to haunt us. Let go of the hate. There are many other numbers in between 0 and 100 - and it doesn't have to be one or the other with your feelings on the Senators anymore.

Give it time, give your a head a shake, and let's see where it goes from here. The only people added to hockey ops thus far have been good hockey people. That's good. Let's see what they do for a coaching staff and with some time first before we grab the pitchforks and aĺl declare #lies wErE NoT bESt iN cLaSs derp derp.... FFS.

Iirc, Coladin was a not a Melynk or Dorion hater. He went to bat for them quite a bit on here.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

This new owner has hired two guys off the local radio station.

who were the two…from the local radio station?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I would imagine we'll take a shot at Darche in the offseason but we need somebody manning the rudder until that time. We have a trade deadline coming up and im sure they've got plans to re-shape the lineup a bit on the backend

Andlauer has persuaded Staois into taking on the GM position, full time, dropping the the interim tag…. So if Staios decided he is doing a crappy job as GM, he may decide he needs to replace himself in the off-season.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Eh....I'm going to withhold judgement til the summer.

The whole thing just feels weird. First their guys wouldn't be available til summer and it was being patient, now it's hiring people halfway through the year and Staios having no experience at the NHL (management) level. Just giving me weird vibes.

But, let things settle and give them a chance.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

The only shitty thing is one day Andlauer will have to fire his friend steve..

 

[sennysensen]

I'll go with option #1, drama queen, because clearly they can read just well enough to get themselves into trouble.

It's so hilarious and sad and completely predictable that we already see some of the usual suspects already up in arms with Andlauer and SS..... just four months after taking ownership - and purging away they very people they loathed the most of all.......

Melnyk is dead, and Dorion got fired my dudes. DJ too. And none of them are ever coming back to haunt us. Let go of the hate. There are many other numbers in between 0 and 100 - and it doesn't have to be one or the other with your feelings on the Senators anymore.

Give it time, give your a head a shake, and let's see where it goes from here. The only people added to hockey ops thus far have been good hockey people. That's good. Let's see what they do for a coaching staff and with some time first before we grab the pitchforks and aĺl declare #lies wErE NoT bESt iN cLaSs derp derp.... FFS.

The "usual suspects" are the reason hfboards is shrinking and has less and less engagement every year. At least on Reddit, idiots' opinions are hidden when they get a lot of minuses. They don't annoy me, as I spend less time on here than I used to; I'm more pointing this out, as giving free reign to the always negative is not a good business model for a website that lives on how many clicks they get.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

The "usual suspects" are the reason hfboards is shrinking and has less and less engagement every year. At least on Reddit, idiots' opinions are hidden when they get a lot of minuses. They don't annoy me, as I spend less time on here than I used to; I'm more pointing this out, as giving free reign to the always negative is not a good business model for a website that lives on how many clicks they get.

I think that things will change in 2024.

Fresh slate.

The negative trolling will be defeated.

 

[coladin]

You stuck through the melnyk years and this is your breaking point? You're either a drama queen or hockey illiterate. Imagine actually looking at Dave Poulins resume and calling him a radio hire. I can't imagine having the inability to decipher the difference between the melnyk hires and the andlauer hires while trying to maintain any level of relevance when considering your opinion.

Yeah I stuck through the Melnyk years with promises of better days, and we got two employees off a radio station. One who head coached like ten years ago, and the other was an exec 10 years ago. Ten years ago. Dave Poulin clearly was a hot commodity lololololol. And I love Dave Poulin on the radio, never miss his slot. But you very well know that Pierre McGuire was a guy that was mefia savvy and Melnyk brought him in because he was great on the f***ing radio. How did that go bert?

Our Living Legend coached his son's hockey team and is now behind an NHL bench because I guess it worked with Martin St. Louis? What's going on here? Alfie whould be a figurehead, what the hell is he doing behind a bench?

While you continue to label people around here who don't share your pie in the sky everythingisawesome vibe, you refuse to sit back and see how silly this organization looks. And lazy. This is "Best In Class"? I didn't think anything could rival FYOUS, but here we are. Best in Class.

Two employees who had radio hits off the local sport station.

No interviews. No one considered.

The interim GM twisted this season away while everyone was under the impression he was feverishly working behind the scenes and yet he just f***ing hired himself . He has no experience, and the same things we said about Dorion getting taken to the cleaners will undoubtedly happen here as this guy is as green as it gets.

Consider or don't consider my opinion, but if you think I am on the island about this move, re-reread this thread. Belittling and labelling people you dont agree with makes you sound like a meathead.

I'm done talking about this hire and time to move on

 

[scout20]

Dave Poulin seems open to making changes "what looks good on paper doesn't always work on the ice"

 

[coladin]

I'll go with option #1, drama queen, because clearly they can read just well enough to get themselves into trouble.

It's so hilarious and sad and completely predictable that we already see some of the usual suspects already up in arms with Andlauer and SS..... just four months after taking ownership - and purging away they very people they loathed the most of all.......

Melnyk is dead, and Dorion got fired my dudes. DJ too. And none of them are ever coming back to haunt us. Let go of the hate. There are many other numbers in between 0 and 100 - and it doesn't have to be one or the other with your feelings on the Senators anymore.

Give it time, give your a head a shake, and let's see where it goes from here. The only people added to hockey ops thus far have been good hockey people. That's good. Let's see what they do for a coaching staff and with some time first before we grab the pitchforks and aĺl declare #lies wErE NoT bESt iN cLaSs derp derp.... FFS.

Somehow you equate my disagreements with pining over the old organization. I think you are the one that need help with the reading. I was always labeled as a management supporter, so my schtick so to speak was to back up management moves in the face of the likes of you who constanlty criticized management. Ideally, I would be on Andlauer's side, right? The fact that I am not and you and the lot are, means that the roles have actually reveresed and you have now become management guys and I am now critical of management is hilarious to me.

So it isn't the "usual suspects", the roles are actually revered. Except @Hale The Villain who still questions management lol

 

[UglyPuckling]

this feels a bit like when the Jeopardy producer was trying to find a new host and ended up picking himself

It's a little confusing. I thought the plan was to hire a new GM. Is that still the plan?

 

[Icelevel]

It's a little confusing. I thought the plan was to hire a new GM. Is that still the plan?

Doesn’t seem like it. The owner really liked how Staios was handling things so offered him the job. He accepted

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think that things will change in 2024.

Fresh slate.

The negative trolling will be defeated.

A pleasant thought on New Year's day.

Lets all hope that the Sens have a good 2024 from the top down and we get this team on the rails.

 

[coladin]

It's a little confusing. I thought the plan was to hire a new GM. Is that still the plan?

"I prefer a two - headed monster " - Michael Andlauer (when it comes to having a a GM and a POHO.

Guess not. Glad Ian Mendes told him to his face, hope he doesn't get blackballed again!

 

[UglyPuckling]

I'll go with option #1, drama queen, because clearly they can read just well enough to get themselves into trouble.

It's so hilarious and sad and completely predictable that we already see some of the usual suspects already up in arms with Andlauer and SS..... just four months after taking ownership - and purging away they very people they loathed the most of all.......

Melnyk is dead, and Dorion got fired my dudes. DJ too. And none of them are ever coming back to haunt us. Let go of the hate. There are many other numbers in between 0 and 100 - and it doesn't have to be one or the other with your feelings on the Senators anymore.

Give it time, give your a head a shake, and let's see where it goes from here. The only people added to hockey ops thus far have been good hockey people. That's good. Let's see what they do for a coaching staff and with some time first before we grab the pitchforks and aĺl declare #lies wErE NoT bESt iN cLaSs derp derp.... FFS.

Iirc, Coladin was a not a Melynk or Dorion hater. He went to bat for them quite a bit on here.

Agreed.

And I don't think wanting someone with past experience in the same role is unusual or weird. I don't think this should trigger the old "hater", "give your head a shake", "drama queen", "usual suspects" type comments.

I think this reveals that some people are more inclined to defer to an/any authority figure as you see in here with some.

As for my own opinion, I'm a little confused because I thought they were searching for and would interview multiple candidates that most likely had some experience. So, this is a bit of a surprise.

But, I don't know what the Andlauer plan is and I won't assume anything. I'm inclined to give this some time and see how it will work out.

"I prefer a two - headed monster " - Michael Andlauer (when it comes to having a a GM and a POHO.

Guess not. Glad Ian Mendes told him to his face, hope he doesn't get blackballed again!

Yes, I remember Andlauer saying that. Hence, that's what I found confusing. Also, see above.

What did Ian Mendes say? I must have missed that.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agreed.

And I don't think wanting someone with past experience in the same role is unusual or weird. I don't think this should trigger the old "hater", "give your head a shake", "drama queen", "usual suspects" type comments.

I think this reveals that some people are more inclined to defer to an/any authority figure as you see in here with some.

As for my own opinion, I'm a little confused because I thought they were searching for and would interview multiple candidates that most likely had some experience. So, this is a bit of a surprise.

But, I don't know what the Andlauer plan is and I won't assume anything. I'm inclined to give this some time and see how it will work out.

I wonder if @AchtzehnBaby was referring to as negative trolling?

You might find the answers you were looking for in the press conference
Listen here Dave Poulin Introductory Press Conference - December 31, 2023

Watch here



This is what we know for now. It seems that Poulin did have some history with Staios. Staios is clearly Andlauer's guy and he is putting his faith in him.
No one can say this is not going to work. My opinion is it has potential, as described, and It is a start of improving the Hockey Ops from what we have been living with. Its moving forward and I think the Hockey Ops will continue to grow and get better.

I really hope they take a wider scan when it comes to coaching changes likely to happen in the off season.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I wonder if @AchtzehnBaby was referring to as negative trolling?

You might find the answers you were looking for in the press conference
Listen here Dave Poulin Introductory Press Conference - December 31, 2023

Watch here



This is what we know for now. It seems that Poulin did have some history with Andlauer and Staios.

You are bound to get a variety of opinions when you have the wide audience that you find on an Internet discussion board.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Somehow you equate my disagreements with pining over the old organization. I think you are the one that need help with the reading. I was always labeled as a management supporter, so my schtick so to speak was to back up management moves in the face of the likes of you who constanlty criticized management. Ideally, I would be on Andlauer's side, right? The fact that I am not and you and the lot are, means that the roles have actually reveresed and you have now become management guys and I am now critical of management is hilarious to me.

So it isn't the "usual suspects", the roles are actually revered. Except @Hale The Villain who still questions management lol

Isn't it absolutely absurd? We have a guy spinning the same f***ing song and dance for these guys to fall for and they're taking it hook, line and sinker.

Dorion was a talentless buffoon, who bumbled every word he spoke, was super inexperienced and should have never been anywhere near the helm of an organization. Right? But Staios is a bastion of experience, finesse and expertise because of, what, his months on the job as a low-level advisor? Because he speaks clearly?

I honestly don't understand how this board isn't freaking out. They spent the entire time we were going through the sale process dreaming up candidates and ideal scenarios for people to be involved in the most important positions within the organization. And now we have a guy with 0 NHL experience at GM and POHO doing BOTH f***ING POSITIONS. The reaction in here is honestly beyond belief.

This is what you guys wanted? Another guy with no experience taking over? After spending 7 f***ing years talking about how the last guy didn't have any experience either?

You know, 35/100 is significantly and vastly better than 5/100 but it's still 35 out of a f***ing 100. That's where we are now. Our front office is a 35/100 and we're supposed to be leaping for joy at the improvement like this is what "best in class" means.

Brutal. I can't believe how you guys are falling for this shit.

If Melnyk had made this kind of hire - a guy with 0 NHL experience as POHO or GM, doing both roles - you guys would be LOSING YOUR f***ING SHIT right now. Just think about that sentence for a minute so you can understand how little logical consistency there is.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

You stuck through the melnyk years and this is your breaking point? You're either a drama queen or hockey illiterate. Imagine actually looking at Dave Poulins resume and calling him a radio hire. I can't imagine having the inability to decipher the difference between the melnyk hires and the andlauer hires while trying to maintain any level of relevance when considering your opinion.

Nothing but patience for a crook. Meanwhile this new guy doesn't even get half a season. Crazy. After basically a career of backing Melnyk, I can't help but assume they've been waiting to jump on this. 15 years into Melnyk's terrible ownership patience was continued to be preached despite the sample size. Now 33 THIRTY-THREE! games in after taking over in training camp and running a team built entirely by the previous regime and these guys are apparently completely lost. It's not judging the results, it's confirming bias on a tiny sample size of almost no actual direct impact.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I wonder if @AchtzehnBaby was referring to as negative trolling?

You might find the answers you were looking for in the press conference
Listen here Dave Poulin Introductory Press Conference - December 31, 2023

Watch here



This is what we know for now. It seems that Poulin did have some history with Staios. Staios is clearly Andlauer's guy and he is putting his faith in him.
No one can say this is not going to work. My opinion is it has potential, as described, and It is a start of improving the Hockey Ops from what we have been living with. Its moving forward and I think the Hockey Ops will continue to grow and get better.

I really hope they take a wider scan when it comes to coaching changes likely to happen in the off season.

To be clear, I mentioned before I will wait to see how things unfold. I don't have any preconceived ideas that this can't work.

The best questions from this press conference came from Mendes at the very end. He asked if any interviews for the GM position were actually conducted. And the answer was that there weren't any interviews. That goes back to my comment about what I found a little confusing. I thought we'd hear about the different candidates that were being interviewed. Maybe that's what I inferred from what Andlauer (and Staois to some extent as well) said in previous press conferences.

Poulin as you and the interview pointed out does have some experience, even though as I mentioned above, the process went down differently than what I thought was going to happen.

 

[Icelevel]

"I prefer a two - headed monster " - Michael Andlauer (when it comes to having a a GM and a POHO.

Guess not. Glad Ian Mendes told him to his face, hope he doesn't get blackballed again!

I don’t think andlauer understood the point of the question either. (?)

Anyway who cares. Things are moving in a positive direction. Let’s see where we are at the beginning of next season.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Nothing but patience for a crook. Meanwhile this new guy doesn't even get half a season. Crazy. After basically a career of backing Melnyk, I can't help but assume they've been waiting to jump on this. 15 years into Melnyk's terrible ownership patience was continued to be preached despite the sample size. Now 33 THIRTY-THREE! games in after taking over in training camp and running a team built entirely by the previous regime and these guys are apparently completely lost. It's not judging the results, it's confirming bias on a tiny sample size of almost no actual direct impact.

Yes, we really just have to wait to see how all of these things pan out. There's nothing else to do but that.

I would say they seem to have a lot of operations management staff now. I'm not sure what Bowness will do versus Poulin and what their specific responsibilities are, but I guess it doesn't matter. Staois mentioned Poulin would be more vision and big picture, but that's all the info that seems to be available on this topic.

I will say that it is time to see tangible and concrete results. We have been talking about "potential" a lot in here for quite some time. But, it does have to translate to results eventually. Hopefully those results aren't too far off in the future.

I don’t think andlauer understood the point of the question either. (?)

Anyway who cares. Things are moving in a positive direction. Let’s see where we are at the beginning of next season.

The fans care, and I'm sure Andlauer cares. You are right to infer that now we need to see the results. It's all been talk up to this point. The transformation will need to occur.