Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

[BondraTime]

Joseph has 4 pts in 16 games, I don't really think moving on from him was problematic, as for Perron, with what he has been going through, I'm willing to give him a bit more leash before making judgement. I liked his game before he took the leave of absence even if he wasn't scoring, he was involved on the forcheck and the line seemed to be getting it's chances. 0 pts, though one assist was robbed by a dumb ref.

He's playing 12 mins on the 4th line with 38% offensive starts

I think it would look closer to the 35 point pace he had gotten here in the 14 minute middle 6 role and 50% offensive zone starts that Amadio has had we just chosen to keep him for that role

Perfectly fine to move on from him, but we replaced him with someone who hasn't been as good as he was for a pick and no cap help

 

[Micklebot]

He's playing 12 mins on the 4th line with 38% offensive starts

I think it would look closer to the 35 point pace he had gotten here in the 14 minute middle 6 role and 50% offensive zone starts that Amadio has had we just chosen to keep him for that role

Perfectly fine to move on from him, but we replaced him with someone who hasn't been as good as he was for a pick and no cap help

Amadio hasn't worked out yet, but that wasn't what the post I replied to was referencing.

I also have a hard time just assuming Joseph would score like he did last year if he was still here, hasn't worked that way for Greig, Pinto, or Sanderson.

 

[BondraTime]

Amadio hasn't worked out yet, but that wasn't what the post I replied to was referencing.

I also have a hard time just assuming Joseph would score like he did last year if he was still here, hasn't worked that way for Greig, Pinto, or Sanderson.

Grieg is on pace for 2 less points than last year, 27 vs 29. He picks up 1 tonight he's on pace for 30

Sanderson is on pace for 48 points, last year he got 38 on pace for 39 (PP merchant this year)

Pinto, absolutely, awful year

 

[Micklebot]

Grieg is on pace for 2 less points than last year, 27 vs 29. He picks up 1 tonight he's on pace for 30 more.

Sanderson is on pace for 48 points, last year he got 38 on pace for 39 (PP merchant this year)

Pinto, absolutely, awful year

Greig is pacing at half as many goals, 6 vs 13
Sanderson is pacing at 7 ES pts compared to 24 last year and hasn't been remotely the same defensively.

Neither guy is performing to expectations imo, so like I said, I don't see it as a given that Joseph would perform the same as last year.

 

[Sensinitis]

He's playing 12 mins on the 4th line with 38% offensive starts

I think it would look closer to the 35 point pace he had gotten here in the 14 minute middle 6 role and 50% offensive zone starts that Amadio has had we just chosen to keep him for that role

Perfectly fine to move on from him, but we replaced him with someone who hasn't been as good as he was for a pick and no cap help

Either that or we would have 22-23 Joseph that had 3 goals in 56 games. That's the thing with Joseph, he was extremely inconsistent for us. He had a good bounceback year last season, but we can't assume he would be that much better than his replacement.

 

[BondraTime]

Either that or we would have 22-23 Joseph that had 3 goals in 56 games. That's the thing with Joseph, he was extremely inconsistent for us. He had a good bounceback year last season, but we can't assume he would be that much better than his replacement.

Don't think there is much risk in the assumption he'd be better than his replacement, his replacement is worse than that season thus far. Amadio is on pace for 17 points compared to Josephs's 26 in 2022-23.

Amadio has been very, very bad for the Sens thus far. He doesn't fit in when moved up due to injuries, and he isn't doing much in his role on a 3rd line.

 

[bicboi64]

Joseph falls between what he scored last year and the year previously where he had 3g. He probably scores 25ish points, but he makes our PK better. The difference between them isn't large enough to warrant getting rid of Joseph with a 3rd, even if you get a bit of cap savings with Amadio. Joseph is better in a bottom 6 role though, so I would have kept him for that.

On the bright side, Amadio can only really go up from here

 

[BankStreetParade]

Joseph falls between what he scored last year and the year previously where he had 3g. He probably scores 25ish points, but he makes our PK better. The difference between them isn't large enough to warrant getting rid of Joseph with a 3rd, even if you get a bit of cap savings with Amadio. Joseph is better in a bottom 6 role though, so I would have kept him for that.

On the bright side, Amadio can only really go up from here

Joseph's a better, significantly faster skater and that's worth a lot to a team that's currently as slow as molasses.

 

[bicboi64]

Joseph's a better, significantly faster skater and that's worth a lot to a team that's currently as slow as molasses.

100% agree. Could really use his speed right now. Honestly feel as though we could've had both Joseph and Amadio, not signed Perron, and used the extra $1 million in capspace for a bottom pairing D or some cap flexibility.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Joseph paced as a 10.5 goal scorer in Ottawa. 18 total over 3 years. His speed may be a good asset, but he's not a solution to anything. Amadio scored 41 goals over that same period Jo scored 18. He's over 0.5ppg and had 6 goals in 20 playoff games. Hasn't worked out, but Amadio has more to give yet imo. Like 3 quarters of the team is snake bitten offensively and guys can look awful during those times. I also don't think Pinto and Grieg are as bad as they're showing right now.

 

[PlayOn]

Maybe Amadio is doing the reverse Joseph. Suck in the first 41 games, come alive in the last 41.

 

[Micklebot]

Joseph paced as a 10.5 goal scorer in Ottawa. 18 total over 3 years. His speed may be a good asset, but he's not a solution to anything. Amadio scored 41 goals over that same period Jo scored 18. He's over 0.5ppg and had 6 goals in 20 playoff games. Hasn't worked out, but Amadio has more to give yet imo. Like 3 quarters of the team is snake bitten offensively and guys can look awful during those times. I also don't think Pinto and Grieg are as bad as they're showing right now.

I still think the Perron Pinto Amadio line has the potential to take off, they were a bit snake bitten early on.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Joseph is not a great player... he brings speed and energy mostly. I am not sure how he ran so far out of favor unless he said or did something stupid.

Amadio is a smarter yet slower player .. One came in , one went out but they are not the same type of player

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I still think the Perron Pinto Amadio line has the potential to take off, they were a bit snake bitten early on.

Me too. Would be nice to see Perron back for a good stretch here.

 

[R2010]

I mean there's a lot of blame that people could place on the team for where it is. Goaltending, Sanderson's struggles etc...

But at the end of the day you're never going to be a playoff team if Pinto, Greig, Amadio and Perron have a combined 5 goals a quarter of the way into the season. Those players should have 15 goals now between them. 10 more goals is probably 4 more wins.

I'd be okay with seeing some of these players spending a game in the stands to send a message.

Joseph is not a great player... he brings speed and energy mostly. I am not sure how he ran so far out of favor unless he said or did something stupid.

Amadio is a smarter yet slower player .. One came in , one went out but they are not the same type of player

I really wanted us to sign Noesen probably just because we drafted him long ago. Now he's absolutely exploded. What a steal.

 

[Senovision]

How did Staios and his team miss out on getting this guy as our coach? Talk about physical play!
The gourmet shot. 0:53
Inglewood Jack. 1:07

 

[Micklebot]

I really wanted us to sign Noesen probably just because we drafted him long ago. Now he's absolutely exploded. What a steal.

I wouldn't be surprised if we tried, just like I suspect we kicked tires on guys like Roy Tanev and Pesce, the issue is the best we can do is make an offer, players are the ones who have the final decision.

If I had my way, we'd have signed Pesce or Roy, and Noesen instead of Perron, Amadio and trading for Jensen, we then could have had a futures return on Chychrun.

Unfortunately, I think guys liked other destinations more than here.

 

[Loach]

I wouldn't be surprised if we tried, just like I suspect we kicked tires on guys like Roy Tanev and Pesce, the issue is the best we can do is make an offer, players are the ones who have the final decision.

If I had my way, we'd have signed Pesce or Roy, and Noesen instead of Perron, Amadio and trading for Jensen, we then could have had a futures return on Chychrun.

Unfortunately, I think guys liked other destinations more than here.

Before we used to get out bid with dollars. It was simple. Now it's "...gonna need more term and clauses."

 

[Silencio]

I really wanted us to sign Noesen probably just because we drafted him long ago. Now he's absolutely exploded. What a steal.

Eh we basically got our version of Noesen with Gaudette.

 

[Tuna99]

100% agree. Could really use his speed right now. Honestly feel as though we could've had both Joseph and Amadio, not signed Perron, and used the extra $1 million in capspace for a bottom pairing D or some cap flexibility.

Would actually be better making no moves and keeping Nick Paul, and Demelo, and Gustavsson

Stupid stupid stupid all of them.

 

[umma gumma]

Would actually be better making no moves and keeping Nick Paul, and Demelo, and Gustavsson

Stupid stupid stupid all of them.

Its true, Brady should never have traded any of these players. What was he thinking?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Would actually be better making no moves and keeping Nick Paul, and Demelo, and Gustavsson

Stupid stupid stupid all of them.

That's just scratching the surface. Pierre Dorion was not qualified to be an NHL GM.

 

[Loach]

That's just scratching the surface. Pierre Dorion was not qualified to be an NHL GM.

Reading Ian's article about the Pizza Line really made me mad. This team always had a tough go. The first arena, first sale, second sale and bankruptcy, we had no money to spend. This team drafted and traded well. It was a good organization. Then it slowly rotted and we ended up with a crazy drunk and a weasly pos incompotent f***tard. Anybody that shits on the new group running things has no fcking clue.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Reading Ian's article about the Pizza Line really made me mad. This team always had a tough go. The first arena, first sale, second sale and bankruptcy, we had no money to spend. This team drafted and traded well. It was a good organization. Then it slowly rotted and we ended up with a crazy drunk and a weasly pos incompotent f***tard. Anybody that shits on the new group running things has no fcking clue.

I didn't catch that article, but in general the coverage has always been a bit washy on the realities the team was facing. When they tried to ramp it up during the worst of times, Melnyk tightened the noose with his media bullying threatening to bury them, kicking them off planes, and threatening lawsuits. It's a shame so much time was wasted.

Obviously Dorion shouldn't have ever been hired as an NHL GM, but at the time, according to our former Melnyk water bottle carrying Bruce Garrioch, Randy Lee was the only other person ever rumored to be a candidate. Randy "Rick" Lee. Probably just smoke to keep Dorion on his toes, but imagine that timeline taking course with the active GM and what transpired with Lee.

 

[Tuna99]

Reading Ian's article about the Pizza Line really made me mad. This team always had a tough go. The first arena, first sale, second sale and bankruptcy, we had no money to spend. This team drafted and traded well. It was a good organization. Then it slowly rotted and we ended up with a crazy drunk and a weasly pos incompotent f***tard. Anybody that shits on the new group running things has no fcking clue.

It all started when Bryan Murray took over as GM. Muckler had this team humming and it completely fell apart when Murray took over, summer of Heatley, the entire Redden fiasco, Soezza give away, Alfie of course and it just got so toxic everyone wanted out And here we are.

Been honestly 15 years since we’ve iced a team that is responsible to the details of winning and not dragged along by Erik Karlsson.

Brutal 15 year run. Embarrassing. Stupid. Incompetent. But I’m still here, just demoralized.