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Emperoreddy

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That's what you get when you a fan running a wrestling promotion and certain wrestlers being in charge of creative. They get the most time on tv. New wrestlers are there for a week or two and then they disappear. They ignored the originals and keep bringing in new people. Miro, Andrade and so many others are forgotten. I don't care about a match with Kenny and the Acrobats vs. Jon "touch me I bleed" Moxley. I feel bad for guys like Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson who have the most to offer and have been wasted in AEW. You have Jay freaking White and he has the gold bullet club? Who cares? I would have loved to see him step to Roman with his popularity but he is now hanging with Juice? Already on Rampage? What a waste.
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I can't stand White's booking and I don't get it. They turned him into just another guy so quickly.

I think the rumor is Punk wants to work with him and he will be on Collision, which could be what finally makes him to wider audiences, but that too is still at the whim of Punk and Ace Steel.
 
EverTheCynic

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Mr McMahon made Austin. Vince is the biggest star in the history of wrestling.

Also, Kurt Angle is the best of all time. Short peak due to substance abuse issues. But boy oh boy, at his best nobody could touch him. Not even Michaels.
 
These Are The Days

These Are The Days

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I'll expound on Austin. He deserves his flowers for doing such a great work but the guy as a babyface is the biggest Mary Sue (save for maybe 80's Hogan) in wrestling history. Everything. EVERYTHING as a babyface has to always be against the worst odds anyone has ever faced. I'm about to watch his last proper match on Raw before he left in 2002 and no shit Ric Flair's come out to the ring with Eddie, Chris Benoit and about 12 security guards for his own protection because Austin's mad. Vince did it too. This is literally what it takes to stop one human being who's pissed off and drank a bunch of beer. It's the Coyote vs Roadrunner. It's so constantly hyperbolic with him that I'm almost indifferent to the fact his glorious career is about over here. Don't get me wrong it's entertaining as hell. But he's propped on the shoulders of God and it takes whatever Satan incarnate to finally take him out. If ever.

I almost don't think the Stone Cold character can be what it is without such outlandish adversity at all times.
 
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Imagine a world where Bret Hart stays with the WWF and becomes what HHH was. Imo it becomes the GOAT heel. I'm not talking about denim, leather and motorhead. That isn't what is needed. I'm talking about his already previously existing pathological obsession with being champion turning into what HHH did. Imagine him strutting out saying he's that damn good after sledgehammering someone. I don't think Bret himself would have agreed to such a barbaric gimmick but you can't tell me he couldn't have pulled it off. Imagine Bret ending Foley's career in the cell and relentlessly gloating Paul Levasque's monologues word for word.

You'd have had no need for Mr. McMahon. That's how good Bret would have been. Hollywood Hogan couldn't lace those boots brother. Imagine J.R and Cole helplessly screaming about Bret regularly hurting people in the sharpshooter on a nightly basis in addition to all the grotesque violence the gimmick came with.
 
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EverTheCynic said:
Mr McMahon made Austin. Vince is the biggest star in the history of wrestling.

Also, Kurt Angle is the best of all time. Short peak due to substance abuse issues. But boy oh boy, at his best nobody could touch him. Not even Michaels.
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Bret Hart and Kurt Angle working together would have been something else, all time stuff.

Recently refreshed myself on Bret's career in WCW - what an absolute disaster, to say the least.
 

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EverTheCynic said:
Vince is the biggest star in the history of wrestling.
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He did have quite the style in the day.

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Speaking of Vince Announcing I think I found the single greatest minute of Vince's announcing Career(I time stamped the video to 1:55)

 
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Emperoreddy

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I love how hard they tried to hide that Vince owned the company up until the Screwjob I. Kayfabe.

It worked too. My dumb ass kid self was so confused when they finally made it clear he ran the place. I was like "But where is Gorilla? Isn't he president?"
 
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Bret Hart and Kurt Angle working together would have been something else, all time stuff.

Recently refreshed myself on Bret's career in WCW - what an absolute disaster, to say the least.
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Are you disrespecting El Dandy?

Emperoreddy said:
I love how hard they tried to hide that Vince owned the company up until the Screwjob I. Kayfabe.

It worked too. My dumb ass kid self was so confused when they finally made it clear he ran the place. I was like "But where is Gorilla? Isn't he president?"
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As far as I remember, Vader killed him dead.
 
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These Are The Days said:
Imagine a world where Bret Hart stays with the WWF and becomes what HHH was. Imo it becomes the GOAT heel. I'm not talking about denim, leather and motorhead. That isn't what is needed. I'm talking about his already previously existing pathological obsession with being champion turning into what HHH did. Imagine him strutting out saying he's that damn good after sledgehammering someone. I don't think Bret himself would have agreed to such a barbaric gimmick but you can't tell me he couldn't have pulled it off. Imagine Bret ending Foley's career in the cell and relentlessly gloating Paul Levasque's monologues word for word.

You'd have had no need for Mr. McMahon. That's how good Bret would have been. Hollywood Hogan couldn't lace those boots brother. Imagine J.R and Cole helplessly screaming about Bret regularly hurting people in the sharpshooter on a nightly basis in addition to all the grotesque violence the gimmick came with.
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Imagine how bitter he would be if he read this and saw what he missed out on
 
AtlantaWhaler

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I actually liked Lacy Evans bitchy Southern Belle gimmick. I just don't think they gave her enough mic-time to establish it. I think she could have been an awesome heel.
 
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EverTheCynic said:
Mr McMahon made Austin. Vince is the biggest star in the history of wrestling.

Also, Kurt Angle is the best of all time. Short peak due to substance abuse issues. But boy oh boy, at his best nobody could touch him. Not even Michaels.
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The Angle take isn’t unpopular with me at all. I’ve said it for a long time.

He’s the best ever when you add in every aspect of professional wrestling. He could go out and have an absolute mat classic and then be moonsaulting off the top of the cage the next night. Guy was the best in ring worker ever.
 
JackSlater

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Austin was on a meteoric rise during his feud with Hart before the villainous Mr. McMahon gimmick really existed in any meaningful way. He was a great foil though and really helped sustain how white hot Austin was.
 
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I have to disagree with this. Austin was the hottest thing in wrestling before ever interacting with McMahon. If anyone made Austin other than Austin himself, it's Bret Hart.
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He was hot because of Bret, but he wasn't over the moon. Where even people outside of wrestling knew him.

That's a whole nother level, and I believe Mr McMahon got Austin to that point.
 
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EverTheCynic said:
He was hot because of Bret, but he wasn't over the moon. Where even people outside of wrestling knew him.

That's a whole nother level, and I believe Mr McMahon got Austin to that point.
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I will give you that. I just meant that Austin would have been a superstar even without Vince. But yes, Austin probably doesn't become the biggest star ever without Vince.
 
Emperoreddy

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I will give you that. I just meant that Austin would have been a superstar even without Vince. But yes, Austin probably doesn't become the biggest star ever without Vince.
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That combo is really what saved WWE. The early attitude era stuff wasn't really closing the ratings gap with WCW despite what WWE likes to claim.

DX was popular, but it wasn't causing people to change the channel from Nitro. Austin and Vince was what really did it
 
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Emperoreddy said:
That combo is really what saved WWE. The early attitude era stuff wasn't really closing the ratings gap with WCW despite what WWE likes to claim.

DX was popular, but it wasn't causing people to change the channel from Nitro. Austin and Vince was what really did it
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You're right that WWE (vastly) exaggerates DX's significance. I think we all know who is behind that exaggeration.
 
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