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This one will also be controversial. I believe CM Punk is a hypocrite. In October 2019, before he signed with AEW, he said this: "Yeah. I think AEW needs to focus on themselves and stop talking about WWE. Cody and The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega, Jon Moxley, all those guys have something great going on. I just think it lessens and cheapens what they are doing when they constantly attack WWE."

It's funny because from his debut appearance with AEW he's constantly attacked WWE. He even took a few jabs at last night's "media scrum". Time to move on, Punk.

SOURCE: CM Punk: "AEW Needs To Focus On Themselves And Stop Talking About WWE"
 
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Prior to MJF, the last great heel in professional wrestling and sports entertainment was JBL circa 2004.

To follow up. I would say JBL's 2004 run was the last true great heel championship run. Especially by a true old-school character heel.
 
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HoltzYourHorses said:
You want unpopular? Fine.


Prior to MJF, the last great heel in professional wrestling and sports entertainment was JBL circa 2004.

To follow up. I would say JBL's 2004 run was the last true great heel championship run. Especially by a true old-school character heel.
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I remember when JBL won the title was like WTF? But he did such a great job with that run and became a credible champion within a few months. Something like that hasn't been done with these experimental champions they've had since like Rey, Khali, Mahal, Kingston, Ziggler etc.
 
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HoltzYourHorses said:
You want unpopular? Fine.


Prior to MJF, the last great heel in professional wrestling and sports entertainment was JBL circa 2004.

To follow up. I would say JBL's 2004 run was the last true great heel championship run. Especially by a true old-school character heel.
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Megahab said:
I remember when JBL won the title was like WTF? But he did such a great job with that run and became a credible champion within a few months. Something like that hasn't been done with these experimental champions they've had since like Rey, Khali, Mahal, Kingston, Ziggler etc.
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I think part of it is because everything went PG shortly afterwards. Could you imagine a guy now hunting illegal aliens in order to get a title shot? Aside from that his snooby rich JR Ewing persona was perfect. But you can't push the limit much these days so its hard to be a heel when most of the stuff you want to say will enrage the PC crowd/cancel culture mob.

A lot of people don't realize it because Cena had the title for a long time right after him but his 280 day reign was the longest in a decade. You don't keep the belt that long unless you are really good at your job.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
This one will be controversial in all likelihood but I do believe it.

At some point in 1998 Owen Hart was presented with a storyline where he have an affair with Debra, Owen turned it down, this lead to him becoming the Blue Blazer which lead to his death in 1999.

He should have done the affair storyline with Debra because it would have saved his life.

He would not have become the Blue Blazer, he would not have been put up on the catwalk and therefore would not have fallen.

Doing that storyline would have saved his life and he'd likely still be here today.

I know the response will be that his wife would have seen it but it's not real and she knows that, she has to she married into the Hart family.
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She always came across as the maverick of the family. All the other wives accepted what their husbands did as it was the fmaily business but she catches me as the type who never came to grips with it. Like she thought Owen could have done something "better" with his life and even tho he did well in the business, she couldn't stand he was in it.
 
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HoltzYourHorses said:
You want unpopular? Fine.


Prior to MJF, the last great heel in professional wrestling and sports entertainment was JBL circa 2004.

To follow up. I would say JBL's 2004 run was the last true great heel championship run. Especially by a true old-school character heel.
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I acknowledge he was a very good heel champion, but IMO the best part of his title reign was it gave birth to the Paul Heyman line:

"The only reason you were WWE Champion for a year, is because HHH didn't want to work Tuesdays"
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
that is just not true because now they cant make anybody believe that it is real and if you cant make people believe it is real you cant work them
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People 20 years ago (and further back) also didn't believe that they were watching actual fights by and large. The difference is that today so many people assume that they know exactly what's going on and are less suspicious of things wrestlers do, particularly outside of scheduled programming. It's very strange that things have gotten to the point where wrestling fans, not unanimously but in noticeable numbers, will actually get mad when heels do heelish things today. You can find people online or even in person who will get mad at a heel for not being heelish in the expected, tepid manner they are accustomed to. You'd also be hard pressed to convince some fans today that the things they read in interviews, so not on thing said directly as part of the show, might be suspect. You can trick people when they are clueless, as fans were long ago, but you can also trick people when they assume that they already know it all.

Long way of saying that it seems like people believe in the non-combart parts of wrestling today more than they did roughly 20 years ago.
 
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I may be wrong that this is an unpopular opinion but…

I think Paige Van Zant is gonna be a big star and I am pumped she is All Elite.
 
Vincent Riendeau said:
Unpopular opinion: The Young Bucks are uninteresting.
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Agreed!

They're great athletes and put on good matches but they're as interesting as two dads building a deck.

I recently re-watched Omega vs Tanahashi at Wrestle Kingdom and they're off on the side screaming things like "Let's go Kenny!" They're fans who became wrestlers because of their athletic ability and never developed pro wrestling personas.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I think Sami Zayn is awful, I have not been entertained by a single thing he has ever done, maybe this mania match can change that
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He's completely miscast.

He's a skinny redhead with a great smile and a flippy move-set. He writes himself as a workhorse, white meat babyface.

WWE have insisted on him being a creepy heel basically since his call-up. He spends more time on the mic than in the ring which is opposite of his natural presentation.
 
Machinehead said:
He's completely miscast.

He's a skinny redhead with a great smile and a flippy move-set. He writes himself as a workhorse, white meat babyface.

WWE have insisted on him being a creepy heel basically since his call-up. He spends more time on the mic than in the ring which is opposite of his natural presentation.
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Even when he was a face he didn't entertain me h=e's to corny, I was hoping the heel turn would change tha-t+ 3but it really ha=sn't9
 
The 6attitiude Era did not start 3in WW, it started in WCW July 7th 1996 wh%en the NWO formed.

WCW started the Attitiude Era because without the NWO thee is no attitiude era if there is no NWO because there wouldn't need to be
 
The attitiude Era did not start in WWE, it started in WCW July 7th 1996 when the NWO formed.

WCW started the Attitiude Era because without the NWO thee is no attitiude era if there is no NWO because there wouldn't need to be
 
All things considered, I think Kazuchika Okada is the best to ever do it.

His in-ring work is mesmerizing. You could put him with anybody in any context; past, present, or future, he would get it. He has a symbiotic relationship with professional wrestling - the kind of IQ that Gretzky had on the ice. He has the body of an old school heavyweight but wrestles like a modern-day workhorse.

I don't speak the language so it's hard to judge promos (not that they do "promos" the way we think of them) but he absolutely doesn't need to say a word. His facials, his presence, his charisma, and his work tell the story. He walks into a room and his dick has already been there for two hours. He's like the Rock if the Rock wasn't a cornball.

He's a Danielson-level worker, with Rock's charisma, in Randy Orton's body.
 
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Machinehead said:
All things considered, I think Kazuchika Okada is the best to ever do it.

His in-ring work is mesmerizing. You could put him with anybody in any context; past, present, or future, he would get it. He has a symbiotic relationship with professional wrestling - the kind of IQ that Gretzky had on the ice. He has the body of an old school heavyweight but wrestles like a modern-day workhorse.

I don't speak the language so it's hard to judge promos (not that they do "promos" the way we think of them) but he absolutely doesn't need to say a word. His facials, his presence, his charisma, and his work tell the story. He walks into a room and his dick has already been there for two hours. He's like the Rock if the Rock wasn't a cornball.

He's a Danielson-level worker, with Rock's charisma, in Randy Orton's body.
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He hasn't drawn like some of the all time greats. And ultimately, that's most important.
 
Machinehead said:
He's completely miscast.

He's a skinny redhead with a great smile and a flippy move-set. He writes himself as a workhorse, white meat babyface.

WWE have insisted on him being a creepy heel basically since his call-up. He spends more time on the mic than in the ring which is opposite of his natural presentation.
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I agree that it seems much more obvious for him to be a plucky babyface. I think that they basically gave him a gimmick that mirrors his actual personality cranked up, for better or worse. I do like what Zayn has done for the most part.

NextBigThing said:
He hasn't drawn like some of the all time greats. And ultimately, that's most important.
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Must be a big Londos guy. Or a stakeholder in a wrestling company.
 
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