Speculation: Undrafted FA Thread (NCAA/CHL/Euro)

[Agalloch]

My guess is the Canadiens will be interested in Jimmy Schuldt.

 

[Schwang]

If we would have acquired that tiny centerman called Marchessault, we wouldn't be trying to make Drouin a centerman. And if we would have been all over Gourde, we wouldn't be trying to make Paul Byron a top 6 winger. Going for smaller players do NOT mean having to keep ALL of them. But just keep the good ones.

If only we'd have the same type of analysis vs going bigger, character but not skilled or not fast players....that we have versus smaller guys....

There ARE exceptions of course. Generally though, you have to have some size at least to succeed. Look at that tiny guy Buffalo had a couple years ago. I can’t remember his name. I remember he scored a beauty against us though. Where is he now? For every Gionta, there’s a hundred guys the same size that even if drafted, never make it. Someone that small at age 18 or 19 isn’t going to grow any bigger. He’s not putting on much weight either. The nhl trend now is faster and talented, but you still need some size. I just think they’re better of drafting. There’s usually a good reason these guys go undrafted

 

[Whitesnake]

There ARE exceptions of course. Generally though, you have to have some size at least to succeed. Look at that tiny guy Buffalo had a couple years ago. I can’t remember his name. I remember he scored a beauty against us though. Where is he now? For every Gionta, there’s a hundred guys the same size that even if drafted, never make it. Someone that small at age 18 or 19 isn’t going to grow any bigger. He’s not putting on much weight either. The nhl trend now is faster and talented, but you still need some size. I just think they’re better of drafting. There’s usually a good reason these guys go undrafted

Nathan Gerbe was 5'5''. But there was also Johnny Gaudreau who was seen as too small. I mean, you still have to see beyond especially in this new era of hockey. And it's not like we are at 49 contracts. We are not. We need talent on this team. Pure talent. Way more than supposed character.

 

[Whitesnake]

Habs should be all over Olivier Galipeau. But I'm predicting they'll react to the Barré-Boulet signing with Alain...which will be a fail like Waked was and will be.

 

[Whitesnake]

By the way, I totally understand that what Barré-Boulet is doing is not a sign of anything. See Francis Perron. But between a guy you have no idea and a guy you have no idea.....how and why do you miss guys that some teams don't believe in. That's because the Habs don't believe in that league as well.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

My guess is the Canadiens will be interested in Jimmy Schuldt.

Him, Daniel Brickley and Alec Rauhauser, I hope they're all considered.

 

[Agalloch]

Habs should be all over Olivier Galipeau. But I'm predicting they'll react to the Barré-Boulet signing with Alain...which will be a fail like Waked was and will be.

Alain was at the development camp, so your guess is good. Schuldt was there too btw.

 

[CapSpace]

Again we can't even try guys in our own backyard (franco or not). f*** Timmins, f*** Bergevin and f*** this management.

 

[montreal]

My guess is the Canadiens will be interested in Jimmy Schuldt.

I would go for the other teammate, Roby Jackson who also was at camp with Schuldt and Poehling. He's Poehling's winger and has a lethal release. But he might not turn pro yet, haven't heard any talk.

The team that has several undrafted FA's is Jake Evan's Notre Dame. Cale Morris, Jordan Gross, Andrew Oglevie (was Evans winger for a couple years, they moved him to center at one point this year though), Dylan Malmquist I've liked but he needs to be better. Cal Burke is having a good year, plays with Evans at times, might be someone to keep an eye on.

Habs should be all over Olivier Galipeau. But I'm predicting they'll react to the Barré-Boulet signing with Alain...which will be a fail like Waked was and will be.

Their Q scouts just suck. Aside from DD and I really liked Frederic St.Denis and thought they should have given Alex Belzile another chance, what the f*** did they even see in Philippe Lefebvre, Jack Nevins, Waked, Maxime Macenauer, Robert Mayer, Dany Masse (though I liked him), Peter Delmas, James Sanford, Alexander Ranger, etc..

 

[Whitesnake]

Their Q scouts just suck. Aside from DD and I really liked Frederic St.Denis and thought they should have given Alex Belzile another chance, what the **** did they even see in Philippe Lefebvre, Jack Nevins, Waked, Maxime Macenauer, Robert Mayer, Dany Masse (though I liked him), Peter Delmas, James Sanford, Alexander Ranger, etc..

Audette and Boisvert suck...but they still have a job. Either because they don't really have a voice and are just puppets and we give a job to friends or.....yeah, that,s about it.

 

[montreal]

Audette and Boisvert suck...but they still have a job. Either because they don't really have a voice and are just puppets and we give a job to friends or.....yeah, that,s about it.

well Lefebvre really sucks and not only does he have a job but the guy was re-signed not once but twice and counting. So who can figure that one out.

 

[montreal]

some wanted Josh Brook's teammate Brayden Burke signed but he just signed with the yotes.

 

[Whitesnake]

some wanted Josh Brook's teammate Brayden Burke signed but he just signed with the yotes.

Yeah, I wanted Burke. Who is available in the NCAA? That,s who we will go after.

 

[montreal]

Yeah, I wanted Burke. Who is available in the NCAA? That,s who we will go after.

several interesting players in the NCAA, the problem is many of them are goalies.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Audette's job ended when he drafted his son.

 

[Asamu]

Here are some reactions about the Alex Barré-Boulet signing found on TVA Sports Facebook page:

"To have seen him play a few times, he is not big, but what vision of the game he has. He anticipates everything and he is a distributor. It's very sad to lose another Quebecer. "- Normand Bergeron
"He's the best scorer in the QMJHL and nobody saw that at the CH? Carefree? Incompetence? "- Guy Noël
"Even if he never plays in the NHL, it's inconceivable that Bergevin missed this francophone player." - Pierre Breton
"It shocks me that the Canadiens is not more attentive than that to Quebeckers. Tampa Bay is coming to the pawn in Montreal, as with Yanni Gourde. Yet Bergevin promised to watch over Quebec. "- André Bernard
"It's discouraging. I am moving away from this organization more and more. "- Dino Arsenault
"Yzerman is a true GM and Julien Brisebois loves Quebeckers." - Stef Mete
"I'm a supporter of the CH, but I have to say that I'm starting to really love Tampa Bay. They have a gift for signing talented players. Too bad Montreal did not go looking for him. The Habs can now turn to the Alexandre Alain file. "- Olivier Maurice
"Soon, it will be the Quebec Lightning with all the Quebecers they have!" - Francois Lafrance
"I am disappointed by the organization of the CH. The guy is playing in your yard, he burns the QMJHL and you can not even f*** him before the other teams do it! Leaders who sleep on gas or what? "- Richard Cadieux
"Bergevin still watching the train" - Patrice Turgeon

Barré-Boulet : les partisans des Canadiens grondent - TVA Sports

NB: I didn't know that Barré-Boulet was a recent signing, when I talked about it on Wednesday, the signing came a couple of hours later and I didn't know it would have made the news like that lolz. Anyway, I think there must be some management issues with this organization to let these raw talents slip through our hands like that.

 

[Whitesnake]

There was already an agreement in November-December with the Lighting. Habs came in and ask for him but it was already done. They just announced it yesterday so that the 1st year wouldn't count.

 

[Whitesnake]

It's clear that this Montreal organization, before and after Bergevin don't care about Q players. Michel Boucher who discovered all those Q guys with Tampa Bay couldn't do shit in Montreal. Did Boucher just started to be intelligent after his Habs tenure....or did Tampa Bay started to listen to him?

So this is not solely a Bergevin issue. But know who is there before and after and you will know why the Q isn't in our radar. One thing is sure....Timmins had already said how he values the 4 years of evaluation with the NCAA. And yet, when you are a fine prospect, you do not stay the whole 4 years. And after year 4, there's even a chance that the prospect signs elsewhere....

 

[Whitesnake]

Prediction....Erik Brown from RIT. And Hayden Lavigne from Michigan. Always liked the potential of this goalie.

Alec Rauhauser on D.

 

[dinodebino]

There ARE exceptions of course. Generally though, you have to have some size at least to succeed. Look at that tiny guy Buffalo had a couple years ago. I can’t remember his name. I remember he scored a beauty against us though. Where is he now? For every Gionta, there’s a hundred guys the same size that even if drafted, never make it. Someone that small at age 18 or 19 isn’t going to grow any bigger. He’s not putting on much weight either. The nhl trend now is faster and talented, but you still need some size. I just think they’re better of drafting. There’s usually a good reason these guys go undrafted

I guess it was better drafting Pezzetta and others...But hey! Tiny guys from the much, much weaker Q, not for me. Better having two-way players. I just sounded like Trevor Timmins, right?

 

[dinodebino]

Audette and Boisvert suck...but they still have a job. Either because they don't really have a voice and are just puppets and we give a job to friends or.....yeah, that,s about it.

Not sure they have a saying. Plus Mr. Steroids micromananges and scouts them afterwards. Since he doesn't like pure offensive players from the Q, you stand no chance of having one of your guys get drafted.
If he hasn't changed since the Giroux days, then it's still his pattern.

The TBL have a very intelligent scout called Guy Boucher (a brain, like BriseBois), who used to work for the Habs. Him and Chainey, some of the best scouts this province produced.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not sure they have a saying. Plus Trevor micromananges and scouts them afterwards. Since he doesn't like pure offensive players from the Q, you stand no chance of having one of your guys get drafted.
If he hasn't changed since the Giroux days, then it's still his pattern.

Montreal used to take fliers on pure offensive guys from the Q though. That's how they ended up with DD.

Hell, Tampa's Q scout left the Habs with Brisebois.

I don't disagree with the fact that Timmins seems to not be fan of undersized guys in the Q, but I think that a greater part of the blame for that should be pointed both higher and lower on the org chart.

 

[dinodebino]

Montreal used to take fliers on pure offensive guys from the Q though. That's how they ended up with DD.

Hell, Tampa's Q scout left the Habs with Brisebois.

I don't disagree with the fact that Timmins seems to not be fan of undersized guys in the Q, but I think that a greater part of the blame for that should be pointed both higher and lower on the org chart.

He made his bed a long time ago, with Giroux. The Bob Guertin regulars that hang at the top of the stands realized how much Trevor didn't like the Q during that season, when he came to scout Claude. He never hid is disdain for the Q.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He made his bed a long time ago, with Giroux. The Bob Guertin regulars that hang at the top of the stands realized how much Trevor didn't like the Q during that season, when he came to scout Claude. He never hid is disdain for the Q.

I'm not absolving Timmins, I'm saying it didn't stop Montreal before when he ran Amateur scouting.

 

[Andrei79]

Whats great about signing these 20 year olds and NCAA FAs is you get other young players to fill the AHL team and complement your draft picks.

Everyone is then getting development time at around the same time in their careers and lives.

So you dont to sign career AHLers who just take up ice time with no potential gains long term. Just wasted ice time.