I tend to agree, can't believe he'd be ok with a trade to EDM...very far away from friends and family, on a very bad team, in a very cold city.
The Columbus Dispatch: Umberger wants out (Dispatch link post #276)
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I tend to agree, can't believe he'd be ok with a trade to EDM...very far away from friends and family, on a very bad team, in a very cold city.
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That's story about this story: http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2014/05/a-collection.html. Finnish hockey media is taking this kinda stuff way too seriously. Same thing with Kapanen and him going first overall.
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If Kekalainen could work an Umberger for Gagner trade out, then he'll be known as "the Fleecing Finn".
theD86
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It will be tough moving a 32-33 yr old makeing $3.5-$4 million.
I suspect he sees the writing on the wall. He knows his playing time will be cut because of younger talent that must soon be inserted into the line up.
He's been nothing but class. For his sake I hope the Jackets can move him & make him happy.
I suspect he sees the writing on the wall. He knows his playing time will be cut because of younger talent that must soon be inserted into the line up.
He's been nothing but class. For his sake I hope the Jackets can move him & make him happy.
I don't think it will be that tough at all. It may be tough to get something of value for him, but I think you could trade him without much trouble.
would Edmonton agree to Comeau and a 5th for Eberle? Thats pretty terrible. Gagner isn't even close to a 1st
Why would you care if we agreed with it or not? Maybe you should ask if you think the front office would agree with it.
Having said that I don't think that Gagner's value is very high right now. He's younger but we'll probably have to eat some salary. I don't see this being all that uneven from a trade perspective. Certainly not enough to justify someone as silly as a first. Hell we got RJ entering is prime for a mid-to-late first rounder and Gagner has never had a 20 goal season.
I think you are looking for some trade value that really isn't there with Gagner. He'd be a bit of a project for us. It would probably take us a couple of season's to get him to where we would want him.
Gagner sucks, trading for him would be a waste of a roster spot that we could use for a younger guy (Wennberg/Dano/Rychel) or a FA signing
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I wouldn't go as far to say he sucks, but I do agree that he shouldn't be taking a roster spot from one of our bluechip prospects that may be ready for the show.
If Kek is to trade Umberger, I would say to get as many assets as possible for him, then turn those assets (combined with other ones i.e. 1st Rd Pick, Atkinson, etc.) for a better roster upgrade in the top 6, but preferably on the top line.
He sucks on a bad team with a terrible coach and no system. I don't think he'll ever be what Edmonton hoped back when they drafted him but i definitely think he could be a valuable guy with some structure and some vets around
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problem with trading Umbie for Gagner is we are then stuck with Gagner and his salary for at least two years if he doesn't produce.
Unless Umbie is traded for a top 6 forward as part of a package deal, I don't think we get (or really want) much more than picks and prospects. If Gabby returned what he did, does anyone really think Umbie is going to return a whole lot more? Take away the name and emotional attachments and ask what would we trade for an aging, declining producer, kind of slow, third liner? Not much right?
2 years of Gagner is worse then 3 of Umby? It's probably worth a shot even if the scenario probably never has a chance of actually happening
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It isn't worth if we have to retain salary on Umberger. Gagner is overpaid enough as is. Remember the whole not wanting to pay a guy who isn't here? If Umbie goes for someone who makes as much or more than he does, Jarmo needs to stand firm on not retaining salary. If the player makes less, then it would be ok.
Gagner is pretty consistent when he's in the lineup, you know the minimum your going to get. Wouldn't be concerned.
He doesn't "suck" as someone described him. He's also very talented. I would take a risk on him. He's only 24 and I've seen, on numerous occasions, what he's capable of. The CBJ could be a good home for him.
I will say one thing, Schultz looked a lot better of here then he did in Edmonton when I watched a few of their games.
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No. I'm thinking a lot of the decision making will depend on when Jarmo and Co see Wennberg as ready. If it is this year, then I think they would be hesitant to add Gagner; if not then its probably worth a shot. The only question becomes can he play the wing or do we move Dubi or Arty outside?
He's a lot like Brassard in that respect. And when's the last time a guy had an 8 point game?
Gagner for Umberger would be the steal of the century. I'm not sure if here is the best fit for Gagner but he's an infinitely better player on a better deal.
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Steve Mason won the Calder and was a Vezina finalist, but after two years, that memory had long passed. Sam Gagner and his 8 point game are in a similar situation in Edmonton, which is why he's frequently talked about as a trade target.
If we could make an Umberger for Gagner type of deal, then we'd come out winners. Gagner is already on par or better than Umberger, has one less year on his contract, and is younger. That's an easy win.
theD86
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He's a 20 goal scorer. The Jackets must meet those 20 goals in any trade. Otherwise it's a bad trade. You can't just give 20 goals away.
I couldn't disagree more. That is one of the absolute worst ways to look at a trade.
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I won't be as brash as the last two responses, but I will argue that we're in a position to get rid of those goals and not take any major steps back. We have several guys who can fill the offensive void, and many who are primed to take another step forward in their development (such as Jenner). Simon Hjalmarsson may step in and score 10-15, which is a start. And, what if Wennberg or Rychel makes the team and has a Jenner-like (or better?) year?
For the first time, we can actually say that we can give up a 20 goal scorer like Umberger and not take a step back.
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