Very common. But it's not just with CBJ fans. Holy over-inflate your "assets" Batman.
The Columbus Dispatch: Umberger wants out (Dispatch link post #276)
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Very common. But it's not just with CBJ fans. Holy over-inflate your "assets" Batman.
I hear you. I completely get it when people are making absurb valuations or hyper-critical statements about other teams players. However, I recently had a discussion where i was particularly complementary about EDM players and still couldn't have a rationale discussion about player valuations. I am pretty sure it was MacT or Lowe I was talking with
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Yeah, many of their fans (not all) have exaggerated opinions of their young guns.
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PEnguins are in need of several forwards. I know they are a "hometown" fit for RJ but I'm trying to look at where it might make sense. I don't see a return for him off their roster but they could use him on their 3rd line.
I also think St. Louis is a fit. Paajarvi is under performing but does have speed and size and could be a good 3rd line player in Columbus with 2nd line potential. He's got 1 year at $1.2MM or so before RFA status. Maybe retain a little salary from RJ and a 2nd for PRV and Jaskin?
Edmonton seems like a perfect fit. They will need to add some 2-way play, leadership and 3rd line support. They could support the salary in their structure and have moderate assets to move or make it a bigger deal. Hopefully their management has more realistic thoughts than fans. RJ likely doesn't waive for EDM though.
Islanders will need help getting to the floor. They have a lot of young talent but could use some leadership and bottom 6 help. RJ for Bailey
I think there will be options and I don't know that the CBJ will need to retain much salary, if any. Avoiding taking back much salary will be the key. Find an younger underperforming asset that would have some reward if it panned out! That would seem to be a way to go in my book.
I also think St. Louis is a fit. Paajarvi is under performing but does have speed and size and could be a good 3rd line player in Columbus with 2nd line potential. He's got 1 year at $1.2MM or so before RFA status. Maybe retain a little salary from RJ and a 2nd for PRV and Jaskin?
Edmonton seems like a perfect fit. They will need to add some 2-way play, leadership and 3rd line support. They could support the salary in their structure and have moderate assets to move or make it a bigger deal. Hopefully their management has more realistic thoughts than fans. RJ likely doesn't waive for EDM though.
Islanders will need help getting to the floor. They have a lot of young talent but could use some leadership and bottom 6 help. RJ for Bailey
I think there will be options and I don't know that the CBJ will need to retain much salary, if any. Avoiding taking back much salary will be the key. Find an younger underperforming asset that would have some reward if it panned out! That would seem to be a way to go in my book.
Which is why I would trade him for a pick or prospect. We only have room on our NHL roster for someone who is a clear upgrade to someone we already have. We most likely won't get that in a trade involving Umberger.
Exactly. Trade him for a pick before the draft. Take a late pick if we don't have to cover part of his salary.
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Nobody wants a $4.6 million 32 year old character player for a draft pick. It's not that easy. You don't just snap your fingers and get another human being to do something so stupid. Even if we retain salary, we're gonna be taking some back. I don't understand why buying him out is out of the realm of possibility just because Portzline said so. I'm sure JK wants to get some kind of value, but think about what you would trade for Umberger... probably not very much, right? Jarmo will explore his options via trade and if nothing transpires he'll buy him out. He won't go into the season with RJ on this team.
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I agree 100%. And I think a trade either happens before the end of the buyout period or its AMF via a compliance.
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This reminds me of all those silly "Paul Gaustad got a first round pick, i.e. so can _____" arguments.
The second that RJ is traded for something resembling value, even if that value is cap space and/or a pick, I'll concede. Until then I won't hold my breath.
You said "Nobody wants a $4.6 million 32 year old character player for a draft pick." I just pointed out it has happened and recently. It may not happen, but you can't say nobody when it has happened.
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I think "values" are different now then at the trade deadline. On the one hands teams are looking to add a vet for whatever reason and might have to give something to stay within cap or may just dump a guy they have soured on. At this time of year I think there are other considerations, like if they can't trade him maybe I can get him after a buyout.
I'll be real surprised if we come out of the deal with a proven NHLer unless its part of a multi-player swap.
I'll be real surprised if we come out of the deal with a proven NHLer unless its part of a multi-player swap.
Meh the cap his is less of an issue, for most potential deals, as the term. He has 3 years left, that is more of a commitment. If the other team really values him, then the term is actually more attractive (I find this far less likely).
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True. if a team needs a veteran 3rd liner who can play up when needed then Umbie is a good solution. I don't think his contract will be that much of an issue.
That doesn't mean they think spending 4.6 million dollars on a declining 3rd liner is a good idea.
This is either going to end with a buyout or him being traded for another albatross contract.
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Interesting, seems (from my POV anyways) CBJ fans undervalue players as much as Oiler fans over-value. Wiz, Umby, JMFJ but like Oiler fans...love the sexy ones 
I'm not sure what you people expect from a 32-35 year old 20 goal scorer. I think Umby is asking out because he's still good enough to play on the 2nd line, but realizes that Cam or Calvert or Jenner etc. has taken his spot in the lineup.
That doesnt mean Umby sucks or he has no value. Maybe to CBJ he has no value, but other teams he does. How many 3rd liners this year scored 20g? Maybe on this team he's a 3rd liner, but I dont see any decline in his play. Maybe a decline in ice time and quality line-mates.
It sucks that it is going to end this way, I always liked Umby; but thats life.
I'm sure he will return something of value and no buyout will be necessary.
I'm not sure what you people expect from a 32-35 year old 20 goal scorer. I think Umby is asking out because he's still good enough to play on the 2nd line, but realizes that Cam or Calvert or Jenner etc. has taken his spot in the lineup.
That doesnt mean Umby sucks or he has no value. Maybe to CBJ he has no value, but other teams he does. How many 3rd liners this year scored 20g? Maybe on this team he's a 3rd liner, but I dont see any decline in his play. Maybe a decline in ice time and quality line-mates.
It sucks that it is going to end this way, I always liked Umby; but thats life.
I'm sure he will return something of value and no buyout will be necessary.
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Umberger will NOT be bought out. Book it. Save this post. Call me out. 
I'm anxious to see the results of this situation to see how far off we the fans really are. While I truly believe he won't be bought out, I certainly understand the thought process behind that train of thought. My hope is something along the lines of getting an under performing young player that is still RFA status but has a year or so left on his current contract. Couple that without having to retain salary and I would be happy.
If he isn't traded by the draft then I may need to go back to my potential "eat crow" statement above.
I'm anxious to see the results of this situation to see how far off we the fans really are. While I truly believe he won't be bought out, I certainly understand the thought process behind that train of thought. My hope is something along the lines of getting an under performing young player that is still RFA status but has a year or so left on his current contract. Couple that without having to retain salary and I would be happy.
If he isn't traded by the draft then I may need to go back to my potential "eat crow" statement above.
Umberger will NOT be bought out. Book it. Save this post. Call me out.
I don't think you are going out on too much of a limb here. The CBJ will obviously do everything they can to avoid it.
I've seen some really bad contracts moved over the years, many worse than RJ's. Luongo just got moved.
I wouldn't take RJ and that contract, personally. As a GM I qouls think he has value, but he's on the decline. I'd be concerned about term (years two and three). I'd have to have a pretty bad team to consider him an asset worth acquiring.
http://www.capgeek.com/
Look at how much cap room some of these teams have. Obviously, it will change a lot, but I think there is a good chance there is at least one team out there who would trade for Umberger and his contract.
I think any team who is young and has a lot of cap room would be a good place for him. He still has something to offer.
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