Value of: Ullmark to PIT/OTT/BUF

[wintersej]

Prepare to be underwhelmed by the Ullmark return.

Also POJ is a solid piece. He's the Pens only good, young, NHL ready d-man and still has a high ceiling. I'm not even sure I want to part ways with him though new goalie is at the top of our needs.

I dunno man. As someone who is familiar with “don’t have any young players so overestimate the ones i have”, I suspect there is a case of that going around. As to your other comment, Vaakaneinen has been NHL ready for years he just gets hurt a lot. He was name dropped to put into perspective where POJ is in his development.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

I could see the Wild, Blue Jackets or Canes being interested in him. For return, don’t know. Our priority should be a centre IMO.

 

[Zbynek]

I dunno man. As someone who is familiar with “don’t have any young players so overestimate the ones i have”, I suspect there is a case of that going around. As to your other comment, Vaakaneinen has been NHL ready for years he just gets hurt a lot. He was name dropped to put into perspective where POJ is in his development.

But that's exactly the point. POJ is a lot farther along (whether it's due to injuries or bad luck or whatever you want to call it). POJ had more GP this year than Vaakaneinen has in his whole career (6 seasons worth of attempts to make it to the NHL).

The comparison just doesn't make any sense. One guy is a clear first round bust at this point, and the other is on the upswing and still has a long way to go to hit his ceiling. The only thing they share in common is their draft year.

Anyway, in the end I think if the basis was POJ for Ullmark the Pens still add for sure, but it wouldn't be a crazy add, maybe a 2nd or comparable prospect. I don't know the Bruins situation as well as you, obviously, but POJ at 825k next year is a deal for any cap-strapped team. I'll leave it at this: don't scoff at POJ. He has some development to go, sure, but dude legitimately looked like a top-4 dman more often than not this past year.

 

[wintersej]

But that's exactly the point. POJ is a lot farther along (whether it's due to injuries or bad luck or whatever you want to call it). POJ had more GP this year than Vaakaneinen has in his whole career (6 seasons worth of attempts to make it to the NHL).

The comparison just doesn't make any sense. One guy is a clear first round bust at this point, and the other is on the upswing and still has a long way to go to hit his ceiling. The only thing they share in common is their draft year.

Anyway, in the end I think if the basis was POJ for Ullmark the Pens still add for sure, but it wouldn't be a crazy add, maybe a 2nd or comparable prospect. I don't know the Bruins situation as well as you, obviously, but POJ at 825k next year is a deal for any cap-strapped team. I'll leave it at this: don't scoff at POJ. He has some development to go, sure, but dude legitimately looked like a top-4 dman more often than not this past year.

I think we are getting stuck on the Vaakaneinen point. Just thru him out as a prospect bruins fans would be familiar with that is the same age as POJ to illustrate where he is at on his development chronologically.

I think POJ + 2nd is certainly more appropriate.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I still think the pens bring back Tristan

 

[EquivalentStay]

When was the last time a goalie got a return like that?

When was the last time a goalie won the Vezina and was traded that offseason?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Likely Vezina winner, but did have a tough playoff. He was injured but said he was fit to play. Not sure when he got injured, he had a .953 after the first 4 games, but then struggled mightily in the last two.

I'm counting him as 125 saves on 135 shots, for a 92.6% save percentage through four.

He was 95.3% *in* Game Four.

 

[dugg133]

When was the last time a goalie won the Vezina and was traded that offseason?

Like 2 years ago when MAF got traded

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

I don’t see the B’s trading the more than likely vezina winner within the division or even conference

 

[tsujimoto74]

I don’t see the B’s trading the more than likely vezina winner within the division or even conference

They’re probably gonna cut cap however they can. There aren’t many teams who can take salary without sending essentially the same amount back.

 

[actuallynotPJStock]

Man if the Oilers could dump Campbell's contract (not realistic or likely), Ullmark would fit in nicely there.

 

[Chainshot]

Eh, with all of Kevyn Adams' comments about wanting to have players who want to be in Buffalo... I don't see Ullmark as someone he's going to go after.

 

[slappipappi]

Honestly you re completely wrong, Bruins can get easily a first and a good prospect or an already nhl player

what teams are you suggesting would trade a first and a good prospect for him?

 

[threeVo]

Comrie and a condition 5th that upgrades for each round the Sabres win (2nd if they make SCF)

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Given how he has a 16-team NTC for 23/24.......I can't imagine he'd waive it to come back to Buffalo. And I'm not real sure that KA would be even that keen on getting him given how his extension negotiations went.

Ullmark to Buffalo. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, I think Ullmark back in Buffalo makes a lot of sense. He never seemed to dislike the city/team; Boston just offered him an extra year and the chance to play behind a consistent playoff team. With the Sabres falling just 1 point short of the playoffs last year, maybe he’d want to come back.

Other than the potshot he took at the city during the season.

Eh, with all of Kevyn Adams' comments about wanting to have players who want to be in Buffalo... I don't see Ullmark as someone he's going to go after.

No joke

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Like 2 years ago when MAF got traded

And that was for a song and a dance by a team also looking for cap space.

 

[mike8219]

Yeah, I think Ullmark back in Buffalo makes a lot of sense. He never seemed to dislike the city/team; Boston just offered him an extra year and the chance to play behind a consistent playoff team. With the Sabres falling just 1 point short of the playoffs last year, maybe he’d want to come back.

Hell No bostonhockeynow.com/2023/03/21/boston-bruins-ullmark-cant-help-taking-dig-at-buffalo/

 

[dugg133]

And that was for a song and a dance by a team also looking for cap space.

Yup, little different cause MAF was like 36 and making 7 mil for one year, whereas Ullmark is still in his prime at a better price for 2 years. If traded I think he'll end up going for like a 2nd and a B level prospect, but certainly not for a first+ like some bruins fans are hoping.

 

[Butt Ox]

other than the potshot he took at the city during the season.

This. What is the rationale to bag on the city that put groceries on his table?

 

[God Says No]

Ullmark for Erik Brannstrom (OTT)?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

This. What is the rationale to bag on the city that put groceries on his table?

Incredible immaturity on his part. But he showed that immaturity in playoffs if he lied about being injured.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Other than the potshot he took at the city during the season.

I don’t recall this, can you link?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I don’t recall this, can you link?

Boston Bruins’ Ullmark Can’t Resist Taking Dig At Buffalo

It’s a long-running joke that many Buffalo Sabres players act like they’ve been freed from hockey prison when they get traded away from the perpetually struggling organization or escape via free agency from the snowy upstate New York locale, and Boston Bruins players relocated from Buffalo are...

bostonhockeynow.com

 

[MOGlLNY]

Boston Bruins’ Ullmark Can’t Resist Taking Dig At Buffalo

It’s a long-running joke that many Buffalo Sabres players act like they’ve been freed from hockey prison when they get traded away from the perpetually struggling organization or escape via free agency from the snowy upstate New York locale, and Boston Bruins players relocated from Buffalo are...

bostonhockeynow.com

Meh, harmless about all the cold cities they went to on their road trip in the middle of the winter. Not like he shit on the city directly or the organization

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Meh, harmless about all the cold cities they went to on their road trip in the middle of the winter. Not like he shit on the city directly or the organization

it's just childless. It was after the 7-0 loss. I believe. Bruins lacked any class in that game.They acted like the won the cup. I guess they didn't. Did they.