GDT: UFA Frenzy 2024 - We're ALL Gonna Die

[AD Skinner]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809292992844558766

I don’t see how there’s any supposedly about it. If you’re not technically allowed to discuss deals with other teams until noon on Monday and reporters already know how much money and for how many years you’re going to sign for on Saturday night, there’s only so many conclusions one can draw

 

[moses malone 12]

Ehlers is three years older than Necas, is more of a perimeter player and less of a playoff performer than Necas, serious injury concerns, a year from UFA.

Don’t see any way they’re dealt for each other unless it’s a huge add from WPG. We would be downgrading our top 6 while also being left with another hole to fill.

my sense is mgmt. recognizes the need for a scoring winger and Necas is the most likely player to be swapped for Ehlers. agree its not a 1 for 1 trade. i still question the logic of not resigning Guentzel if the team is now pursuing a Guentzel-light player such as Ehlers. I did not buy into the Guentzel didn't want to play here narrative, but that is old news at this point.

team just has to be competitive this season. lots of potential cap space available next offseason.

 

[cptjeff]

Not opposed to bringing on Ehlers but he is a playoff loser

So is everyone on the Jets roster.

 

[cptjeff]

my sense is mgmt. recognizes the need for a scoring winger and Necas is the most likely player to be swapped for Ehlers. agree its not a 1 for 1 trade. i still question the logic of not resigning Guentzel if the team is now pursuing a Guentzel-light player such as Ehlers. I did not buy into the Guentzel didn't want to play here narrative, but that is old news at this point.

team just has to be competitive this season. lots of potential cap space available next offseason.

We actively tried to re-sign Guentzel. For what seem to be partially for his own reasons, partially because we genuinely got too cute and f***ed up the negotiation, he signed elsewhere.

 

[Bub]

Not opposed to bringing on Ehlers but he is a playoff loser

Ah, then we can skip that part of his training.

 

[Lempo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809292992844558766

 

[Unsustainable]

I don’t see how there’s any supposedly about it. If you’re not technically allowed to discuss deals with other teams until noon on Monday and reporters already know how much money and for how many years you’re going to sign for on Saturday night, there’s only so many conclusions one can draw

You can see the Tamper that happened to the Canes with the Devils and Tampa, maybe Nashville even.

 

[Buenos Necas]

If a trade based on a Necas-Ehlers swap is how this saga ends I'd be disappointed, and honestly pretty surprised. I've been an Ehlers fan since his draft year, but that's the type of move that runs very counter to how this front office has operated the past 6 years.

This front office (sometimes to its own detriment) has shown they are very willing to be patient and not fall trap to the reactionary move that most other teams can't resist. Moving Necas for Ehlers just to get the deal done now feels like it would be selling low on a valuable young asset. This is a situation where I really think patience will be rewarded.

Then signing Ehlers to a long-term deal at age 29 with an AAV in the 7s? It took them weeks of negotiating to finally relent on 8x8 for Guentzel, I find it hard to believe they'd be willing to lock down Ehlers at just 500k or so less. I'd honestly rather give that contract to Necas and try to mend the fences there.

The caveat to all of this is if the situation has truly become untenable and Necas and his agent are absolutely refusing to play out next year on a 1-year deal. I don't think we've had any indication things are that bad, but obviously Necas has made his desire known.

If that is the case however, I'd be calling up Buffalo and trying to re-kindle those talks for something based around Peterka or Quinn. With how dragged Adams has been for their offseason so far he might be a bit desperate for some good news, and both of those players are better long-term options than Ehlers as young, cost-controlled players.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

If a trade based on a Necas-Ehlers swap is how this saga ends I'd be disappointed, and honestly pretty surprised. I've been an Ehlers fan since his draft year, but that's the type of move that runs very counter to how this front office has operated the past 6 years.

This front office (sometimes to its own detriment) has shown they are very willing to be patient and not fall trap to the reactionary move that most other teams can't resist. Moving Necas for Ehlers just to get the deal done now feels like it would be selling low on a valuable young asset. This is a situation where I really think patience will be rewarded.

Then signing Ehlers to a long-term deal at age 29 with an AAV in the 7s? It took them weeks of negotiating to finally relent on 8x8 for Guentzel, I find it hard to believe they'd be willing to lock down Ehlers at just 500k or so less. I'd honestly rather give that contract to Necas and try to mend the fences there.

The caveat to all of this is if the situation has truly become untenable and Necas and his agent are absolutely refusing to play out next year on a 1-year deal. I don't think we've had any indication things are that bad, but obviously Necas has made his desire known.

If that is the case however, I'd be calling up Buffalo and trying to re-kindle those talks for something based around Peterka or Quinn. With how dragged Adams has been for their offseason so far he might be a bit desperate for some good news, and both of those players are better long-term options than Ehlers as young, cost-controlled players.

That’s why we include the McGroarty of it all in the conversation. Ehlers for Necas just to solve our “distressed asset” situation would indeed be anti-MO of the Borg. But Ehlers+McGroarty for Necas++ solves the “distressed asset” situation for both teams and potentially involves a cool valuable piece to the Canes.

Not to mention I think bleed said it earlier - Ehlers is who we want Necas to be. It’s trading a few years of age for more of a sure thing. That may be anti-pattern to the typical approach but isn’t a bad thing in a vacuum.

 

[Buenos Necas]

That’s why we include the McGroarty of it all in the conversation. Ehlers for Necas just to solve our “distressed asset” situation would indeed be anti-MO of the Borg. But Ehlers+McGroarty for Necas++ solves the “distressed asset” situation for both teams and potentially involves a cool valuable piece to the Canes.

Not to mention I think bleed said it earlier - Ehlers is who we want Necas to be. It’s trading a few years of age for more of a sure thing. That may be anti-pattern to the typical approach but isn’t a bad thing in a vacuum.

I hear ya on the value part, and I agree there'd be other pieces to make it work. But if McGroarty is the piece that makes the difference I'd say just trade the ++ assets for McGroarty straight up and remain patient on the Necas front. I'd be cool with that add.

Like I said, I like Ehlers as a player too. He definitely has some more refinement in some of the areas where Necas can be frustrating. But I don't think he's the best profile for the player we need at the moment, largely due to not being able to separate the player from the contract he'd require and how old he'll be for those seasons.

If we go into the season with Necas after arbitration and let his market reset, I think we will see hockey trade options open up that are better long-term fits than Ehlers.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

IMO they need to remedy the situation with Necas. He has too much raw skill and I think it is still going to click for him.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm going to guess that an Ehlers trade will end up looking somewhat like Kuznetsov + Drury + picks. Apparently Isles are currently offering Pageau + picks/prospects. It likely won't require a Necas to complete unless the Jets are going to add a piece like Lambert, McGroarty, or a high pick to make a swap worthwhile.

(If KK has a rebound year, just swap Roslovic with him)

 

[bleedgreen]

If a trade based on a Necas-Ehlers swap is how this saga ends I'd be disappointed, and honestly pretty surprised. I've been an Ehlers fan since his draft year, but that's the type of move that runs very counter to how this front office has operated the past 6 years.

This front office (sometimes to its own detriment) has shown they are very willing to be patient and not fall trap to the reactionary move that most other teams can't resist. Moving Necas for Ehlers just to get the deal done now feels like it would be selling low on a valuable young asset. This is a situation where I really think patience will be rewarded.

Then signing Ehlers to a long-term deal at age 29 with an AAV in the 7s? It took them weeks of negotiating to finally relent on 8x8 for Guentzel, I find it hard to believe they'd be willing to lock down Ehlers at just 500k or so less. I'd honestly rather give that contract to Necas and try to mend the fences there.

The caveat to all of this is if the situation has truly become untenable and Necas and his agent are absolutely refusing to play out next year on a 1-year deal. I don't think we've had any indication things are that bad, but obviously Necas has made his desire known.

If that is the case however, I'd be calling up Buffalo and trying to re-kindle those talks for something based around Peterka or Quinn. With how dragged Adams has been for their offseason so far he might be a bit desperate for some good news, and both of those players are better long-term options than Ehlers as young, cost-controlled players.

I agree with all this except the Buffalo part. I’d be surprised if Buffalo ever really entertained a Peterka or Quinn conversation at all, backwards for what they’re trying to do.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I agree with all this except the Buffalo part. I’d be surprised if Buffalo ever really entertained a Peterka or Quinn conversation at all, backwards for what they’re trying to do.

They 100% would never trade Peterka. That's unrealistic. Jack Quinn is more of a question mark, however, because of some really catastrophic injuries.

 

[Buenos Necas]

I agree with all this except the Buffalo part. I’d be surprised if Buffalo ever really entertained a Peterka or Quinn conversation at all, backwards for what they’re trying to do.

Could very well be the case that Savoie was the player they were trying to move all along. Obviously that particular ship has sailed, and was likely dead on draft night once we got past the 1st round without a deal.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

IMO they need to remedy the situation with Necas. He has too much raw skill and I think it is still going to click for him.

I disagree. Necas has been around this team long enough to know the system well, and it flat out doesn't play to his strengths. He's a high risk high reward player. He needs a freedom that he will never have here. It's kind of a shame that there isn't enough flexibility here to put him to his best use, but it is what it is. Time to move on.

 

[bleedgreen]

Could very well be the case that Savoie was the player they were trying to move all along. Obviously that particular ship has sailed, and was likely dead on draft night once we got past the 1st round without a deal.

Yeah, Savoie is different animal than Peterka or Quinn. Those two are developed prospects who have proven themselves and made the team. Savioe is still in juniors and hasn’t done a thing yet other than be good in junior. He’s also a very similar player to Benson, only Benson is much better at it.

People think Adams was nuts for giving up a prospect like that but I think there was a reason Savoie was the thing they gave up. I wouldn’t think it’s open season on Buffalo’s prospects and young players.

 

[Lempo]

I can't help noticing that it's July 6th already and Capfriendly is still online.

 

[bleedgreen]

I can't help noticing that it's July 6th already and Capfriendly is still online.

Shhhhhh. If nobody says anything maybe nothing will happen.

 

[dogbazinho]

I wanted Ehlers for awhile but would be a disappointing return for Necas IMO. Would prefer younger.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Thankfully we drafted Haydn Fleury instead of Ehlers!

Although the Borg would likely have moved on from him already as they have with every Francis pick other than Aho and Necas.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Thankfully we drafted Haydn Fleury instead of Ehlers!

Although the Borg would likely have moved on from him already as they have with every Francis pick other than Aho and Necas.

Fixed.

Soon enough, anyway.

 

[Borsig]

I thought we were getting Laine dumped on on us so we could complete the failed Aho world juniors line trifecta.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Capfriendly is still around

 

[Wolfpuck]

Today would be a good day to do something.