Prospect Info: Tyson Jost selected 10th overall

[Balthazar]

Actually in this particular redraft he falls a bit to #18. Frankly I think if they do another one a year from now he'll plunge even further (this was done over a year ago).

Wheeler: A 2016 NHL Draft re-draft and retrospective look...

Keller ahead of Dubois ?

 

[Pokecheque]

Keller ahead of Dubois ?

This was a year ago, I imagine there was still a belief that Keller still had superstar potential and Wheeler apparently wasn't sold on PLD quite yet.

If he had a chance to do this one again, I imagine Keller drops a bit more, Dubois jumps back up to #3, and both Jost and Poolparty drop out of the first round.

 

[Stapler]

Id rather have Nieto and Kamenev please just get rid of Jost he is useless

 

[Balthazar]

If he had a chance to do this one again, I imagine Keller drops a bit more, Dubois jumps back up to #3, and both Jost and Poolparty drop out of the first round.

Likely #2 for me. While I understand that Laine has the higher ceiling, the slight difference in points between him and PLD doesn't make up for the huge difference in everything else, including the more valuable position.

 

[Steerpike]

I dunno--Jost's skating not only doesn't allow him to get any power/speed off his initial step, I think it also costs him strength/stability/agility on his edges. Crosby's a freak of nature--his lower-body strength is insane, he is one of the hardest guys to knock of the puck in the league when he gets going.

There are times Jost hits guys with a lot of power, which surprises the hell outta me when it happens. I think it's usually because he's been able to build up some speed on the forecheck. There's power involved, sure, but I think that's mostly the fact that he's built up that speed. I think that's what he needs to improve upon.

Still can't help but wonder if he just switched to a shorter f*cking stick.

Jost is only an NHLer right now because he plays defense well enough to bring his opponents down to his level of production.

Matt Duchene's little baby stick is the last thing he needs.

 

[Pokecheque]

Jost is only an NHLer right now because he plays defense well enough to bring his opponents down to his level of production.

Matt Duchene's little baby stick is the last thing he needs.

Very valid point, I just think it'd help with his board work and might even help him get that shot under control.

 

[henchman21]

There's two paths he can take. One is to lean down (he's not exactly a thicc boy) in order to try and develop more speed and hope the rest of his game catches up. Or he can work on his leg strength (this is why I mentioned Crosby) and overall power so he can actually utilize his current skill set to maximum efficiency. I think being able to win board battles, control the puck through crowds, and not get pushed over easily will help him more than hoping he gets faster. Crosby isn't the fastest skater in the world, but god damn his edge work and lower body strength are something I'd love Jost to mimic.

Thinning down and getting his skating in order would help his board play. Even if he bulks to 195-200... he simply isn't ever going to be stronger than most NHL players. That won't ever be in his game and he's going to have to find a different advantage. Extracting everybit of skating out of him should be priority #1 and it will help in all areas of his game. And when I talk about skating, I am talking the least about top speed... edges, burst, transitions, base, ankle flex, etc. Those have more of an impact than top speed. If I was guiding Jost, I'd take him of the ice, have him slim down to 170, no weights for a month, yoga 3x a day, hill running, cone drills, posture training, etc with off ice drills that provide flexibility and can help burst. Then after that base is set start backup on the ice with drills and nearing the end try to bulk back up to 175.

I drop his name a lot, but I'd take Point's board work at 165lbs over most NHLers and it is all due to his skating ability.

 

[Pokecheque]

Likely #2 for me. While I understand that Laine has the higher ceiling, the slight difference in points between him and PLD doesn't make up for the huge difference in everything else, including the more valuable position.

Makes sense. I still think Laine's ceiling is higher than what we've seen, but part of the problem IMO is Laine himself.

 

[El Travo]

Thinning down and getting his skating in order would help his board play. Even if he bulks to 195-200... he simply isn't ever going to be stronger than most NHL players. That won't ever be in his game and he's going to have to find a different advantage. Extracting everybit of skating out of him should be priority #1 and it will help in all areas of his game. And when I talk about skating, I am talking the least about top speed... edges, burst, transitions, base, ankle flex, etc. Those have more of an impact than top speed. If I was guiding Jost, I'd take him of the ice, have him slim down to 170, no weights for a month, yoga 3x a day, hill running, cone drills, posture training, etc with off ice drills that provide flexibility and can help burst. Then after that base is set start backup on the ice with drills and nearing the end try to bulk back up to 175.

I drop his name a lot, but I'd take Point's board work at 165lbs over most NHLers and it is all due to his skating ability.

That's fair. I just want to see him succeed.

 

[henchman21]

Laine's fears all through his pre draft seasons are playing out now. Worlds of talent, but an uncoachable mess of a player. Vastly different types of hockey players, but same talent/pain in the ass combo as Alexei Kovalev. Kovalev could have been the best player in the world if he even gave a 75% effort.

 

[Avs_19]

Arguably his best game of the season tonight. At worst probably his second best after the hat trick game. Unfortunately, he still couldn't buy a goal but did everything else right and did help create one.

 

[S E P H]

No, he really isn’t. And I’m no fan of Jost.

Yes he is, going 20 games for back-to-back games would feck with anybody's juju and rhythm. I am not saying either of them are good, both realistically are good players on bad teams. But one gets fecked over because he's considered a depth piece and Jost because he was drafted 10th overall gets time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time to redeem himself. Kamenev at least does things, Jost pretty much is there to give MacKinnon a rest.

 

[MonsterMack]

What, exactly, does Kamenev do?

 

[Linds]

What, exactly, does Kamenev do?

Make Jost look like the 11th best forward on the ice most nights

 

[Sea Eagles]

Give him 12 more months guys. I truly think what we saw tonight, he'll start bringing consistently. I still see a potential 40-50 point player. A player with jam.

 

[AvsGuy]

Was Jost the missing piece to the power play all along? It looked so much better with him on it. Jost-Compher-Donskoi line was strong on the puck all night and Jost’s board play was unreal. Where the hell has this been Tyson

 

[S E P H]

What, exactly, does Kamenev do?

Play a smarter game, wins more board battles, and is much more dangerous with the puck offensively. Again, you're not seeing it clearly, Kamenev has played like 2-3 games per month. That will ruin any single players match fitness, if you put Jost in the same situation you lot would be clearly criticising him much more than you do now...

 

[AvsFan29]

Play a smarter game, wins more board battles, and is much more dangerous with the puck offensively. Again, you're not seeing it clearly, Kamenev has played like 2-3 games per month. That will ruin any single players match fitness, if you put Jost in the same situation you lot would be clearly criticising him much more than you do now...

Kamenev shows some great work on the forecheck a lot of the time, but misses easy D obligations. Bednar will bench him every single time he misses one of those. We’ve seen it two games in a row.

 

[MarkT]

That article I think highlights what the issue is for Jost. The dude sees himself as a star player who simply hasn't broken out yet. He thinks he's a great player. I don't think it's a coincidence that he just had arguably his best regular season game ever when he was put on the 2nd line and the top powerplay unit. The other factor is he just got a boost from not being traded, which must mean Sakic believes in him. Mentally, he's very confident right now for these reasons, and we're seeing him play to the best of his abilities.

The problem is that he hasn't shown any evidence whatsoever that he can sustain this level of play when he's inevitably dropped down the lineup and not given key powerplay time. He just gets down on himself and thinks he's not living up to his potential.

What he needs to do, in my opinion, is learn to accept that he's going to be a bottom 6 player in the NHL. He's got to get satisfaction out of games where he doesn't score, but plays good defensively and has good shifts. He's also got to continue working on his speed, because he's never going to be big enough to out-muscle NHL defensemen.

Mainly though, it's mental with him. Remember: he's the youngest forward on the team outside of Kaut, and he's the same age as Makar and Girard. We can't expect every 21 year old to be mentally tough and mature. At the end of the day, it will be up to him if he's an NHL player. If I'm right, his best avenue to success is to start emulating the Nietos, Calverts and Bellemares of the world rather than thinking he belongs with MacKinnon and co. Not every player can make that mental transition. But if he does, I think he could be successful. And maybe, counter-intuitively, by learning to be a bottom 6 guy he'll play well enough to earn a top 6 role as a complimentary guy.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That article I think highlights what the issue is for Jost. The dude sees himself as a star player who simply hasn't broken out yet. He thinks he's a great player. I don't think it's a coincidence that he just had arguably his best regular season game ever when he was put on the 2nd line and the top powerplay unit. The other factor is he just got a boost from not being traded, which must mean Sakic believes in him. Mentally, he's very confident right now for these reasons, and we're seeing him play to the best of his abilities.

The problem is that he hasn't shown any evidence whatsoever that he can sustain this level of play when he's inevitably dropped down the lineup and not given key powerplay time. He just gets down on himself and thinks he's not living up to his potential.

What he needs to do, in my opinion, is learn to accept that he's going to be a bottom 6 player in the NHL. He's got to get satisfaction out of games where he doesn't score, but plays good defensively and has good shifts. He's also got to continue working on his speed, because he's never going to be big enough to out-muscle NHL defensemen.

Mainly though, it's mental with him. Remember: he's the youngest forward on the team outside of Kaut, and he's the same age as Makar and Girard. We can't expect every 21 year old to be mentally tough and mature. At the end of the day, it will be up to him if he's an NHL player. If I'm right, his best avenue to success is to start emulating the Nietos, Calverts and Bellemares of the world rather than thinking he belongs with MacKinnon and co. Not every player can make that mental transition. But if he does, I think he could be successful. And maybe, counter-intuitively, by learning to be a bottom 6 guy he'll play well enough to earn a top 6 role as a complimentary guy.

Agreed with the last part. His expectations were way too high and our expectation for him was too high. He needs to reinvent his game like Nuke and maybe he can have that same impact next year.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Give him 12 more months guys. I truly think what we saw tonight, he'll start bringing consistently. I still see a potential 40-50 point player. A player with jam.

I think 40 to 50 is under selling what Jost will be able to do. The trade talk had him down in the dumps but now he's ready to bring his A game every night. 40 points is still within reach for this season.

 

[Sea Eagles]

Still say sign him low, and quickly. His value is and will start to rise. We could save 1-2 mill in cap space by acting quickly. 1.5 per for 2-3 years. Like asap.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Jost is elite.

 

[Patagonia]

Still say sign him low, and quickly. His value is and will start to rise. We could save 1-2 mill in cap space by acting quickly. 1.5 per for 2-3 years. Like asap.

Jost is valued so little, Nam had a better career and was only worth a 4th rd. Doubt they can get much for him, I rather they keep him.

Scored twice tonight, but has been more aggressive since the rumours began last week.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Jost is elite.

Last time the Avs had a C who threatened MacKs place he didn't perform well until until Duchene was traded.

This might be happening again with josts emergence. Two goal game for jost. No points for MacK.

Starting to see a pattern with MacK. He doesn't like being displaced as the go to star.