Prospect Info: Tyson Jost selected 10th overall

[chet1926]

For me with Jost, it's very simple he's a lots of tools no toolshed kind of player. You can see it every single night, he'll do something good to get himself open, then the shot immediately goes right into the crest which even eliminates the possibility of the rebound, play over. Rinse repeat.

Here's got reasonable IQ goes to the right places often, can win some puck battles, isn't a complete sieve defensively, but has lost all ability to finish a play. Can he find that, I'm not sure. Part of me wants to say a guy who can get a hat trick against one of the best teams in the league should have the ability to turn this around, even if it's just slightly and he becomes a 10-15 goal guy, along with 15 assists, that's fine for a 3rd/4th liner.

Not sure it's going to happen this year he seems lost out there and honestly it's more mental than anything. I would highly recommend he go see a sports psycholgist, maybe they can help get his head on straight. After that I'd become good buddies with Nichushkin and get on his workout plan because next year no matter where he is playing is probably going to be his last fair shot, much like Nichushkin this year.

At the end of the day this business is about results, if you aren't producing you aren't long for the league. There is always someone else gunning for your spot and their opportunity.

 

[Pokecheque]

Lol, Kamenev is better than Jost.

No, he really isn’t. And I’m no fan of Jost.

 

[JLo217]

I'm glad he wasn't traded, there was no value there for him. Our best move is just to let him play and keep trying to get bigger/stronger/faster. Its not like he is hurting the team defensively.

He will look good in the KHL in a season or two.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

If Jost gets any better at all the Jost things he's doing... The league better look out.

If he can get a little faster and a little stronger he'll be a legit NHLer.

 

[PAZ]

Kam is more consistent than Jost and he has the ability to make plays more frequently than Jost. But even with all of Jost's warts, when he's on his game he's easily the better player between the two. Unfortunately he rarely is.

 

[El Travo]

Kam is more consistent than Jost and he has the ability to make plays more frequently than Jost. But even with all of Jost's warts, when he's on his game he's easily the better player between the two. Unfortunately he rarely is.

When he's not nothing happens. His line doesn't score but they hardly gets scored against either. For all the grief he gets on the offensive side of the game, he isn't bad defensively. Hell, his +/- is 1 shy of being even with his 5v5 point production so he's doing something right. I hope he can build a some muscle over the summer so he can be stronger on the boards. Send him to the gym coach Crosby has.

 

[Pokecheque]

Kam is more consistent than Jost and he has the ability to make plays more frequently than Jost. But even with all of Jost's warts, when he's on his game he's easily the better player between the two. Unfortunately he rarely is.

I believe the exact opposite. Kam has a better shot and is more physical, so you might notice him more, but he IMO is in no way, shape, or form more consistent than Jost. Jost is a fairly stable and somewhat reliable 4th line guy. He's decent defensively, can move the puck out of the zone, and is good on the forecheck. It's just when the puck lands on his stick he can't do anything impactful with it, but he sure can get it well enough. His flaws are exaggerated by a huge degree when he gets paired with a guy like Tynan who has no business in the NHL, but I don't necessarily think that's on Jost. He is what he is--a very mediocre forward.

Conversely, Kamenev has scant moments where you think he might be figuring it out but makes terrible decision after terrible decision and these last few games has been an abject disaster where he constantly coughs up the puck even though NO ONE is near him and tripping over his own skates. He was so bad in the Ducks and Kings games that at one point Bednar had to bench him for an extended period of time. He's abysmally slow, not smart enough to keep up with the pace of an NHL game, and looks increasingly lost. I just don't see much of a player at all, much as I would like to.

Bottom line, Jost is a marginal NHL player, but he's still an NHL player. Kamenev is not. I won't be surprised at all if he's not even in the NHL next year. Jost will be, I just don't know where.

 

[henchman21]

Can we just agree that both suck?

 

[Pokecheque]

When he's not nothing happens. His line doesn't score but they hardly gets scored against either. For all the grief he gets on the offensive side of the game, he isn't bad defensively. Hell, his +/- is 1 shy of being even with his 5v5 point production so he's doing something right. I hope he can build a some muscle over the summer so he can be stronger on the boards. Send him to the gym coach Crosby has.

I'm with Henchy on this--bulking up is the LAST thing he should do. If he gets any slower than he already is, he won't be NHL caliber at all. Slim down, try and get your skating to the best level it possibly can be, and maybe try out a shorter stick. Rework your game and maybe turn into a halfway decent 3rd line guy.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Can we just agree that both suck?

But Kamenev still has potential. Just put him with Mack









/s

 

[henchman21]

But Kamenev still has potential. Just put him with Mack









/s

Sakic says you spelled Jost wrong.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Sakic says you spelled Jost wrong.

Imagine Jost or Kam playing with Mack. Mack would be in the oppositions O-Zone and Jost and Kam would be sucking wind by our blue line still.

 

[Avs_19]

Naturally, there was a bit of curiosity, which led to Jost monitoring social media to see if anything was happening even though he no longer has a Twitter account.

“I guess it’s a little upsetting that it looks like people want you gone,” Jost said. “It’s just different. It’s part of the business. It’s fine. It’s part of being a professional.”

“I try to go out there every night and feel like I am doing the right thing and I feel like I’m playing really good hockey,” Jost said when describing his season. “For whatever reason, the puck is not finding the back of the net for me. I’m not going to lie, it definitely dwells on you. There’s a lot of nights where I go home and I just sit there by myself and try to figure out what’s going on. I believe in my character and my personality, the person I am and what I’ve done to get here. I know that I’m a great hockey player and capable of doing everything and capable of scoring at this level.

“But it’s sad to think that I could get moved or possibly could have gotten moved yesterday. It’s definitely different. There’s a lot of emotions involved. I don’t want to leave this group. I love these guys that are here. But again. It’s part of the business. I just want to keep playing the way I am, bear down and get the puck in the net.”

I wouldn't say he's playing really good hockey but there are certainly nights where he deserved better than the box score shows, which is usually all zeroes. Still, it sounds like this season and the last few days have been pretty rough on him. Hopefully at some point we can see the productive player who was a positive in almost every game against the Sharks in the playoffs.

 

[Slurpeelover27]

I'm with Henchy on this--bulking up is the LAST thing he should do. If he gets any slower than he already is, he won't be NHL caliber at all. Slim down, try and get your skating to the best level it possibly can be, and maybe try out a shorter stick. Rework your game and maybe turn into a halfway decent 3rd line guy.

Agreed about turning into a strong 3rd line player. I think expectations were always too high. He has some skills, but nothing wrong with being a strong 2 way player. In fact top teams need these types of players to win a Stanley Cup. In a salary cap world no one can afford to have too many Mackinnons, Rantanans and Makars anyway.

He should focus on being great defensively and then chip in with some offense when the opportunity presents.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Damn, it’s be nice if he could capture that playoff form down the stretch. Not that he was amazing in the playoffs, but at least he was solid.

 

[chet1926]

Agreed about turning into a strong 3rd line player. I think expectations were always too high. He has some skills, but nothing wrong with being a strong 2 way player. In fact top teams need these types of players to win a Stanley Cup. In a salary cap world no one can afford to have too many Mackinnons, Rantanans and Makars anyway.

He should focus on being great defensively and then chip in with some offense when the opportunity presents.

Expectations were not too high, when you are drafted at 10th overall the expectation should be top 6 player or top 3 dman or starting goalie.

Now if those players develop into something less than that, that's ok, but slightly disappointing. In Jost's case we are looking at a complete bust of a pick. He's barely a 4th liner at the moment, IMO the only reason he is that is because Sakic is trying to force it to fit because of his draft position. If he was a 3rd round pick or something he would have been out of the lineup months ago. At least there weren't tons of great picks immediately after Jost so I'm not too mad about it, but man how nice would it be to have McAvoy right now. Oh well.

I really hope he figures something out, so he can stay in the league but what he's doing at the moment will have him being a career AHL/KHLer in no time flat. Got to produce, if not someone else deserves a shot to do it. There are tons guys that would kill for the leash Jost has been given.

 

[Pokecheque]

Agreed, I don't think expectations were outta whack. I realize not every 10th overall pick is Mikko Rantanen, but based on the pick AND the universal praise he was getting from the scouts, we all expected a ton more. Even if he had been a reasonably good complementary forward on a 2nd or 3rd line that would've been fine, but as it stands he has less impact on a game than Matt Nieto, and that's very problematic.

I still think dude needs to work on his shot. Somehow it's gotten even worse and I'm not sure why.

 

[Patagonia]

Expectations were not too high, when you are drafted at 10th overall the expectation should be top 6 player or top 3 dman or starting goalie.

Now if those players develop into something less than that, that's ok, but slightly disappointing. In Jost's case we are looking at a complete bust of a pick. He's barely a 4th liner at the moment, IMO the only reason he is that is because Sakic is trying to force it to fit because of his draft position. If he was a 3rd round pick or something he would have been out of the lineup months ago. At least there weren't tons of great picks immediately after Jost so I'm not too mad about it, but man how nice would it be to have McAvoy right now. Oh well.

I really hope he figures something out, so he can stay in the league but what he's doing at the moment will have him being a career AHL/KHLer in no time flat. Got to produce, if not someone else deserves a shot to do it. There are tons guys that would kill for the leash Jost has been given.

Jost draft position 10th is likely where he would be in a redraft.

The problem with the draft year is the AVs lacked a solid DMan. Sakic was trading for the few DMan (over valued) available and should have chosen either McAvoy or Chychrum (preference). I think they liked Sergachev picked 1 selection earlier.

Considering the other players available, he's not a complete bust. He is decent defensively and maybe, if he focuses on a specific role there is still room for him to remain in the league.

 

[Pokecheque]

Jost draft position 10th is likely where he would be in a redraft.

The problem with the draft year is the AVs lacked a solid DMan. Sakic was trading for the few DMan (over valued) available and should have chosen either McAvoy or Chychrum (preference). I think they liked Sergachev picked 1 selection earlier.

Considering the other players available, he's not a complete bust. He is decent defensively and maybe, if he focuses on a specific role there is still room for him to remain in the league.

Actually in this particular redraft he falls a bit to #18. Frankly I think if they do another one a year from now he'll plunge even further (this was done over a year ago).

Wheeler: A 2016 NHL Draft re-draft and retrospective look...

The Avs take Carter Hart in this one. Sammy Girard goes #11. Poolparty goes one pick after Jost at #19.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Lol I love how Friedman says Jost won’t find a top 6 spot on Colorado as if he would anywhere else. That’s manipulative selling 101. Amazing. Wish I could hire Friedge.

 

[arun]

The Avs take Carter Hart in this one. Sammy Girard goes #11. Poolparty goes one pick after Jost at #19.

Oh the hindsight.. wouldve loved hart on the team

 

[henchman21]

Actually in this particular redraft he falls a bit to #18. Frankly I think if they do another one a year from now he'll plunge even further (this was done over a year ago).

Wheeler: A 2016 NHL Draft re-draft and retrospective look...

The Avs take Carter Hart in this one. Sammy Girard goes #11. Poolparty goes one pick after Jost at #19.

"At this point, if he continues being what he is (a fine 3C) then that’s probably slightly lower than what the Avalanche were hoping for out of a 10th overall pick and it’s definitely lower than what I expected out of a 10th-ranked player on my board."

 

[El Travo]

I'm with Henchy on this--bulking up is the LAST thing he should do. If he gets any slower than he already is, he won't be NHL caliber at all. Slim down, try and get your skating to the best level it possibly can be, and maybe try out a shorter stick. Rework your game and maybe turn into a halfway decent 3rd line guy.

There's two paths he can take. One is to lean down (he's not exactly a thicc boy) in order to try and develop more speed and hope the rest of his game catches up. Or he can work on his leg strength (this is why I mentioned Crosby) and overall power so he can actually utilize his current skill set to maximum efficiency. I think being able to win board battles, control the puck through crowds, and not get pushed over easily will help him more than hoping he gets faster. Crosby isn't the fastest skater in the world, but god damn his edge work and lower body strength are something I'd love Jost to mimic.

 

[Pokecheque]

There's two paths he can take. One is to lean down (he's not exactly a thicc boy) in order to try and develop more speed and hope the rest of his game catches up. Or he can work on his leg strength (this is why I mentioned Crosby) and overall power so he can actually utilize his current skill set to maximum efficiency. I think being able to win board battles, control the puck through crowds, and not get pushed over easily will help him more than hoping he gets faster. Crosby isn't the fastest skater in the world, but god damn his edge work and lower body strength are something I'd love Jost to mimic.

I dunno--Jost's skating not only doesn't allow him to get any power/speed off his initial step, I think it also costs him strength/stability/agility on his edges. Crosby's a freak of nature--his lower-body strength is insane, he is one of the hardest guys to knock of the puck in the league when he gets going.

There are times Jost hits guys with a lot of power, which surprises the hell outta me when it happens. I think it's usually because he's been able to build up some speed on the forecheck. There's power involved, sure, but I think that's mostly the fact that he's built up that speed. I think that's what he needs to improve upon.

Still can't help but wonder if he just switched to a shorter f***ing stick.