Value of: Tyson Barrie

[Bond]

I have never seen a player who led the NHL in points for his position get so much disrespect.

if it’s so easy, how come his replacement isn’t leading the league now?

Not points but goals, Cheechoo. There is a reason teams weren't lining up to sign him.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Would you agree that Ghost and Barrie are pretty good comparables?

Isn't draft pick value a good standard to get a sense of abstract trade value?

I'm saying they are comparable in trade value and that abstract trade value is not at a late 2nd currently.

I'd say there are some comparables. I don't necessarily agree that draft picks are always a good standard to discuss trade value, as trade value for picks and prospects with no cap space going back are always harder right now due to so many teams being capped out. Hell, Ghost himself was negative value when he was traded, and played that value up IMO this year. Picks are worth different amounts to different teams/GM's as well, so again, it isn't exactly a great comparable.

 

[McSuper]

Barrie + protected 1st for Petry

Are you new to Hockey ?You realized the Oilers draft Petry and develop him . He was traded to Montreal because he didn't want to be on the Oilers after Mact insulting contract offer .

MONTREAL FANS PETRY ISN'T COMING BACK TO EDMONTON !!!!

 

[ChaoticOrange]

To OTT: Barrie+Foegele+Koskinen

Yo EDM: Murray+Paul

Melnyk/Sens looked like they wanted to part with Matt Murray earlier in the year. He’s playing better now, though still debatable whether he’s worth his contract. Same applies to Barrie. Kind of a change of scenery between those two. Foegele and Paul are close to similar quality, but I do feel Paul is better. For the Oil, Paul brings a better 2 way game and his contract ends. Creates space for Holloway next year.

You couldn't pay my team to take Matt Murray. Ottawa would move him at light speed right now just to get out from under that contract just in case the last ten games are a mirage.

 

[McDNicks17]

Not points but goals, Cheechoo. There is a reason teams weren't lining up to sign him.

They probably weren't lining up to sign him because he was under contract for another five seasons after he led the league in goals haha.

Strange comparison.

 

[Dr Awesome]

They probably weren't lining up to sign him because he was under contract for another five seasons after he led the league in goals haha.

Strange comparison.

And bad knee if I’m remembering correctly

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Yeh, but that doesn't say much.

The guy has 1 more NHL career goal than Bouchard while playing in 110 more NHL games and getting prime PP time.

You know, you can just quietly fail to understand hockey. You don't have to scream it from the rooftops.

 

[Bond]

They probably weren't lining up to sign him because he was under contract for another five seasons after he led the league in goals haha.

Strange comparison.

Lol bad sentence, Cheecho was the example of the guy who really didn't get respect despite lead the team in goals. Teams weren't lining up to sign Barrie

 

[XXIV97]

Why would you go back three seasons to compare these two players when Ghost is 3 years younger? Compare this season:

Ghost: 28 points in 45 games (.622 PPG), 22:08 TOI, -9 on a team with -70 Differential
Barrie: 17 points in 36 games (.472 PPG), 19:35 TOI, -6 on a team with +4 Differential

The user that I replied to stated that the return for Barrie would be similar to the return of the Ghost trade this past summer. It would make more sense to view Ghost's stats on the previous three seasons before the trade than his stats after the trade.

If you wanted to compare their values, you would use Ghost's previous season and Barrie's current season to see if their trade value would be similar.

Ghost: 20 points in 41 games (.487 PPG), -2
Barrie: 17 points in 36 games (.472 PPG), -6

If you were to ignore previous their track record, you argue that they were similar in stats at the time of their trade. However, GMs do not look at a single season. Teams were willing to give Barrie $6 M per season after his year in Toronto.

Ghost is 27, Barrie is 30. Barrie's production has dropped from last year's COVID season, where Ghost's hasn't. That's a factor in their relative values.

Same caphit, but Ghost cost $3.25M next year and Barrie costs $4.5M, plus has one more year at $5M.

Looks like Barrie is fading as he ages, plus he's more expensive. If given the choice, which player is a GM going to acquire?

And the Coyotes have shopped Ghost, but couldn't get a late 2nd (or a late 1st with retention), so they agreed to keep him into next season (he likes the team and the Valley) until they can get a better return.

The market for offensive D is pretty weak right now. My guess is that if Ghost can't get a late 2nd, than Barrie's value is similarly probably a 3rd round pick or later, especially if the Oilers won't retain or take back cap.

Firstly, Ghost is 28 years old, not 27. He is about to turn 29 on April 20, while Barrie will turn 31 on July 26. Barrie is actually only 1.74 years old than Ghost. As you can see, the age difference is much closer than you stated in your post.

The actual cost will only matter to teams that are cheap. The cap hit is going to be more important for most teams. You are stating that Barrie is declining as he ages, while he literally had one of the best seasons the previous year. Barrie consistently outproduces Ghost. Ghost is an inconsistent player who had to play in the AHL in 2019-2020 season since he had 12 points in 42 games with the Flyers. If given the choice, which player is a GM going to acquire?

It makes sense that teams are not acquiring Ghost since he is inconsistent. Teams do not know what type of Ghost they are going to get. With Barrie, you can at least expect.50 PPG.

Do you know a team that needs a PP QB? Seattle. Where is Barrie from? Lower mainland Vancouver. The market will be stronger for Barrie. I think he ends up in Seattle during the summer.

 

[LTIR]

You know, you can just quietly fail to understand hockey. You don't have to scream it from the rooftops.

I understand hockey more than I understand the concept of rooftops.
Rooftops aren't very Canadian with snow n all.

That kanuckle fan took a shot at our midget so I responded one with for yours. if u think I seriously compared Barrie to Hughes skill wise then that's on u.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Playing for the Leafs was the worst thing that ever happened to Barrie. The fanbase and media completely destroyed his reputation while misusing him.

He was fine on the Avs. He's fine on the Oilers. He's a good defenseman, he just didn't work out for the mighty TML so that makes him trash.

Those evil Leafs! Destroying the reputation of a guy who,checks notes, *only got a one year deal* after leaving Toronto. You'd think he'd have no problem getting a long-term deal if everyone was as smart as you. Or have actually watched him play and knows hes a PP specialist that needs to be buried on the 3rd pairing. Misusing is a good way to put it, because he's ideally a #6 PP specialist. Apparently the mighty Leafs expectations were too high thinking he could play on the 2nd pair. An unreasonable ask, I suppose. I'd say Barrie actually got treated pretty well here. You know who Larry Murphy is? Barrie was an afterthought here.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Barrie has value to a team that needs a powerplay quarterback. But you don't sign him or acquire him like the Leafs did or the Oilers before this season if you have guys who can already fill that role.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Those evil Leafs! Destroying the reputation of a guy who,checks notes, *only got a one year deal* after leaving Toronto. You'd think he'd have no problem getting a long-term deal if everyone was as smart as you. Or have actually watched him play and knows hes a PP specialist that needs to be buried on the 3rd pairing. Misusing is a good way to put it, because he's ideally a #6 PP specialist. Apparently the mighty Leafs expectations were too high thinking he could play on the 2nd pair. An unreasonable ask, I suppose. I'd say Barrie actually got treated pretty well here. You know who Larry Murphy is? Barrie was an afterthought here.

Revisionist history. Anyone on these boards remembers how much Leafs fans hated Barrie. And rightfully so, he didn't fit there. But the issue is that Leaf fans think that just because he didn't work on their team, he can't work anywhere. He has shown that to be false. The one year deal was because he didn't work in Toronto. He looked bad. He looked great after he left.

 

[TFHockey]

I'm a fan of the following.

Barrie + Koskinen (50% retained) + picks for Varlamov + Mayfield. NYI gets assets for Varlamov, and they can sign a backup at a reasonable price in the offseason. NYI gets an offensive dman and PP QB which they are sorely lacking.

or

Something around Barrie for Hakanpaa once Dallas trades Klingberg.

Kosk is only a $2.25 Million AAV pro rated cap hit right now. Forget the 50% retention. It isn't needed anymore to fit him most places. However he can't currently be dealt because he is in COVID protocol. So in a week or so the team can make the deal.

Barrie (whom I value as a positive asset, not a negative one) + Koskinen + 2022 1st (Top 1o Protected) + 2023 2nd for Varlamov and Mayfield.

So a 1st and a 2nd and Barrie for Varlamov and Mayfield with Koskinen as the cap dump to offset salaries.

Not entirely out of line. Islander fans may disagree but that is up to them.

 

[bucks_oil]

Those evil Leafs! Destroying the reputation of a guy who,checks notes, *only got a one year deal* after leaving Toronto. You'd think he'd have no problem getting a long-term deal if everyone was as smart as you. Or have actually watched him play and knows hes a PP specialist that needs to be buried on the 3rd pairing. Misusing is a good way to put it, because he's ideally a #6 PP specialist. Apparently the mighty Leafs expectations were too high thinking he could play on the 2nd pair. An unreasonable ask, I suppose. I'd say Barrie actually got treated pretty well here. You know who Larry Murphy is? Barrie was an afterthought here.

If he's such a power play specialist, why is he 13th in even strength points over the last 3.5 seasons (which spans one season in Col, his horrible season in Toronto and his first 1.5 seasons in Edmonton)?

In that span, he was 14th, 23rd, & 8th in EVP among defensmen.

Though I agree with you, HoFer Murphy got it worse from your brethren. Isn't that part of the point? You guys destroy the reputation of one-dimensional defensemen?

You yourself didn't even know that he's an EVP beast.... and he was still top-25 in the league (ie top pairing EVP) while struggling for your team.