Value of: Tyson Barrie

[Steve253]

Trade him to Chicago once Chia gets hired

 

[XXIV97]

So you're saying he is the right handed Shayne Gostisbehere? For reference Ghost was traded to the Yotes with a 2nd and a 7th for future considerations.

This is not an accurate comparison. The only similarity is their contract situation. Even in terms of contracts, Barrie is fair value. If we were to compare their stats over the previous threes seasons, before Ghost's trade to Arizona, Barrie is clearly the superior player.

Ghost: 69 points in 161 games, -26 (0.43 PPG)
Barrie: 146 points in 204 games, -6 (0.72 PPG)

0.72 PPG - 0.43 PPG = 0.29 PPG * 82 games = 24 points.

Therefore, Barrie will provide 24 more points than Ghost while being paid the same amount. Barrie's poor season this year (0.47 PPG) is still higher than Ghost's average the last three seasons before his trade.

Two different players. Barrie will require assets to trade for.

I've watched him at least 10 times this year and he hasn't been very good.
Not to discredit his scoring, but he led the league in a shortened season, playing only against Canadian teams (weakest division in the NHL that season). 48 points in 56 games is a very good offensive season. I still see him as a similar player to Gostisbehere

Ghost is a poor man's version of Barrie.

 

[BB06]

Why would the Oilers want to trade him? Oiler fans told me he was better than Hughes

 

[LTIR]

Why would the Oilers want to trade him? Oiler fans told me he was better than Hughes

Yeh, but that doesn't say much.

The guy has 1 more NHL career goal than Bouchard while playing in 110 more NHL games and getting prime PP time.

 

[Reydin]

Barrie and Ristolainen are basically the same player with the edge going to Barrie because his contract is lower and he has out scored Ristolainen by a wide margin over the past five years.

They are nowhere close to being the same type of player. I remember Barrie being crushed by Ristolainen a couple years back. Barrie does not crush people.

 

[ManofSteel55]

They are nowhere close to being the same type of player. I remember Barrie being crushed by Ristolainen a couple years back. Barrie does not crush people.

So Ristolainen hits more and Barrie moves the puck better.

 

[Breakers]

Future considerations

 

[Reydin]

So Ristolainen hits more and Barrie moves the puck better.

Yes. I do not believe either are negative value players. Philly would probably try to re-sign Ristolainen considering what they gave up for him. Oilers will get something for Barrie if they really wanted to trade him. PP specialists are poo-poohed by a lot of people until you don't have one on your team.

 

[TFHockey]

They are nowhere close to being the same type of player. I remember Barrie being crushed by Ristolainen a couple years back. Barrie does not crush people.

They are both offensively minded defensemen with defensive warts in their game. Sure Risto plays a heavier game but Barrie moves the puck better than he does.

My point stands and is a pertinent one.

 

[Roof Daddy]

To OTT: Barrie+Foegele+Koskinen

Yo EDM: Murray+Paul

Melnyk/Sens looked like they wanted to part with Matt Murray earlier in the year. He’s playing better now, though still debatable whether he’s worth his contract. Same applies to Barrie. Kind of a change of scenery between those two. Foegele and Paul are close to similar quality, but I do feel Paul is better. For the Oil, Paul brings a better 2 way game and his contract ends. Creates space for Holloway next year.

 

[Reydin]

They are both offensively minded defensemen with defensive warts in their game. Sure Risto plays a heavier game but Barrie moves the puck better than he does.

My point stands and is a pertinent one.

I do agree with your post except for the quoted sentence. if Barrie was traded last year I'm sure he would've gotten a 1st. He definitely is not a cap dump as others are insinuating but won't get a 1st this year. You are right supply and demand.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

I'm looking for teams to shuffle at the TDL.

One example is, if Klingberg gets traded at the TDL. Dallas could be looking for a RHS puck moving D like Barrie. Edmonton is in need of a shutdown D.

Could Barrie for Hakaanpa be a thing?

Any moves the Oilers make has to be dollar in dollar out.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Don’t think the ducks do it. Drysdale and shattenkirk there already.

I agree. Anaheim will get a 1st or close to it if they retained 50% at the deadline from a contender. I could see Tampa, Toronto, Florida, Carolina going all in.

For Mayfield I’d say yes and even add a b prospect. The cap savings alone

 

[DingDongCharlie]

What about an offseason trade with the Habs for Savard (with some retention) and a mid round pick? Habs get a puck moving d-man, Oilers get a defensive RHD for their bottom pairing signed for 3 more years.

What’s Savard cap hit? I know he hasn’t worked in Montreal but he looked solid in Columbus. This is something I’d consider kinda like a last resort but consider nonetheless

 

[ManofSteel55]

To OTT: Barrie+Foegele+Koskinen

Yo EDM: Murray+Paul

Melnyk/Sens looked like they wanted to part with Matt Murray earlier in the year. He’s playing better now, though still debatable whether he’s worth his contract. Same applies to Barrie. Kind of a change of scenery between those two. Foegele and Paul are close to similar quality, but I do feel Paul is better. For the Oil, Paul brings a better 2 way game and his contract ends. Creates space for Holloway next year.

No way. Keep Murray away.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What’s Savard cap hit? I know he hasn’t worked in Montreal but he looked solid in Columbus. This is something I’d consider kinda like a last resort but consider nonetheless

His cap hit is 3.5. At 3.5 he is a bad deal. I'd want 50% retention and something else small.

To Montreal - Barrie
To Edmonton - Savard w/ 50% retention, 3rd round pick

 

[JoeSakic13]

Trade him to Chicago once Chia gets hired

Barrie for Fleury

 

[La Bamba]

i'd move barrie for a decent prospect just so it opens space to hopefully re-sign Kane. If not, i'd happily keep him - his talent is well worth 4.5M

 

[jukon]

I'm a fan of the following.

Barrie + Koskinen (50% retained) + picks for Varlamov + Mayfield. NYI gets assets for Varlamov, and they can sign a backup at a reasonable price in the offseason. NYI gets an offensive dman and PP QB which they are sorely lacking.

or

Something around Barrie for Hakanpaa once Dallas trades Klingberg.

 

[milehigh11]

The fact he lead the league in points is pretty unique. When was the last time such a notoriously bad player did something like that?

I will say when Graves led the league in +/- and he was getting enormous praise and all Sakic did was upgrade him to Toews

 

[Kaibur]

This is not an accurate comparison. The only similarity is their contract situation. Even in terms of contracts, Barrie is fair value. If we were to compare their stats over the previous threes seasons, before Ghost's trade to Arizona, Barrie is clearly the superior player.

Ghost: 69 points in 161 games, -26 (0.43 PPG)
Barrie: 146 points in 204 games, -6 (0.72 PPG)

0.72 PPG - 0.43 PPG = 0.29 PPG * 82 games = 24 points.

Therefore, Barrie will provide 24 more points than Ghost while being paid the same amount. Barrie's poor season this year (0.47 PPG) is still higher than Ghost's average the last three seasons before his trade.

Two different players. Barrie will require assets to trade for.

Ghost is a poor man's version of Barrie.

Why would you go back three seasons to compare these two players when Ghost is 3 years younger? Compare this season:

Ghost: 28 points in 45 games (.622 PPG), 22:08 TOI, -9 on a team with -70 Differential
Barrie: 17 points in 36 games (.472 PPG), 19:35 TOI, -6 on a team with +4 Differential

Ghost is 27, Barrie is 30. Barrie's production has dropped from last year's COVID season, where Ghost's hasn't. That's a factor in their relative values.

Same caphit, but Ghost cost $3.25M next year and Barrie costs $4.5M, plus has one more year at $5M.

Looks like Barrie is fading as he ages, plus he's more expensive. If given the choice, which player is a GM going to acquire?

And the Coyotes have shopped Ghost, but couldn't get a late 2nd (or a late 1st with retention), so they agreed to keep him into next season (he likes the team and the Valley) until they can get a better return.

The market for offensive D is pretty weak right now. My guess is that if Ghost can't get a late 2nd, than Barrie's value is similarly probably a 3rd round pick or later, especially if the Oilers won't retain or take back cap.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why would you go back three seasons to compare these two players when Ghost is 3 years younger? Compare this season:

Ghost: 28 points in 45 games (.622 PPG), 22:08 TOI, -9 on a team with -70 Differential
Barrie: 17 points in 36 games (.472 PPG), 19:35 TOI, -6 on a team with +4 Differential

Ghost is 27, Barrie is 30. Barrie's production has dropped from last year's COVID season, where Ghost's hasn't. That's a factor in their relative values.

Same caphit, but Ghost cost $3.25M next year and Barrie costs $4.5M, plus has one more year at $5M.

Looks like Barrie is fading as he ages, plus he's more expensive. If given the choice, which player is a GM going to acquire?

And the Coyotes have shopped Ghost, but couldn't get a late 2nd (or a late 1st with retention), so they agreed to keep him into next season (he likes the team and the Valley) until they can get a better return.

The market for offensive D is pretty weak right now. My guess is that if Ghost can't get a late 2nd, than Barrie's value is similarly probably a 3rd round pick or later, especially if the Oilers won't retain or take back cap.

You look st previous years to see trends. Ghost has a few awful years where he wasn't producing. He is in a new role on a new team and its looking good for him. Barrie is still producing despite playing 3rd pairing minutes primarily. Ghost is getting prime opportunities.

The Oilers are looking to trade for a player. Hockey deal. Shouldn't be worrying too much about retention or whatnot. They're not just wanting to ship him out for picks.

 

[BKarchitect]

I mean…wooof.

He’s effective on the PP I suppose…

 

[Kaibur]

You look st previous years to see trends. Ghost has a few awful years where he wasn't producing. He is in a new role on a new team and its looking good for him. Barrie is still producing despite playing 3rd pairing minutes primarily. Ghost is getting prime opportunities.

The Oilers are looking to trade for a player. Hockey deal. Shouldn't be worrying too much about retention or whatnot. They're not just wanting to ship him out for picks.

Would you agree that Ghost and Barrie are pretty good comparables?

Isn't draft pick value a good standard to get a sense of abstract trade value?

I'm saying they are comparable in trade value and that abstract trade value is not at a late 2nd currently.

 

[bucks_oil]

I have never seen a player who led the NHL in points for his position get so much disrespect.

if it’s so easy, how come his replacement isn’t leading the league now?

Thank you for saying that! I don't get it either.

I mean... as a fan (goalie) I'm pretty critical of defensive gaffs, and Barrie has his share, but it's only just his share, not much more... and he's pretty tenacious on the puck.

Moreover his EV scoring was near tops in the league last year... and that's on a team that was near the bottom of the league in EV scoring. So he was definitely contributing and his scoring goes beyond PP.