Value of: Tyson Barrie

[SoftMittsHardSticks]

okay, since Avs fans are all sour about this.

WHAT DO YOU WANT for Barrie? Give me some specifics on the player(s) you want to receive back--not this "well you want this, so we want that".

Well, outside of a direct swap of Barrie and McDonough, I could see the Avs working around something like JT Miller + Dylan McIlrath + Buchnevich + 2nd, somewhat similar to the O'Reilly return. But I don't really think Avalanche fans are all that keen on more prospects instead of immediate help

 

[AslanRH]

Im a ranger fan and at first I had proposed Kreider & Stepan and a 2nd for Duchene & Barrie I was laughed away from avs fans (especially avsfan44) who seems to never take any proposal thrown towards the avs lightly so I don't think anything revolving around kreider for barrie would work because IMO stepan is pretty fair for Duchene but maybe that's just because ive been watching Stepan so closely for all these years and appreciate his game for what it is.

So in a sense your offer for Barrie is Kreider+2nd.

I'm not Barrie's biggest fan, and that isn't even enough for me.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

WHAT DO YOU WANT for Barrie? Give me some specifics on the player(s) you want to receive back--not this "well you want this, so we want that".

You're not getting a equal-level replacement for Barrie by trading Barrie -- that's not how this works. You can trade Barrie for a top 6 or top 3 forward, absolutely.

What we want: Barrie or a defender equivalent to Barrie in some way.

Why antagonize people for articulating what they want and then telling them they won't get that so they should settle for something else and deal with it?

What are the Rangers going to do, gives us Buchnevich, Skeji, Kreider and a 1st or something? Disparate pieces do not make up Barrie's worth to the Avs right now, they can simply go to arbitration, accept the awarding and keep him for 2 years.

 

[DasKaiser]

Of course you would. The Avs wouldn't accept it though.

Seriously, aahhh, this is the whole Subban conversation all over again. Can Barrie even play defense? He is not Orr, Robinson, Stevens, Pronger, etc.. RNH WOULD BE AN OVERPAYMENT! Colorado should add. I have a friend that is a huge Avs fan, he wants to get rid of Barrie and would gladly take RNH. Edmonton won't do it.

 

[shadow1]

A 2-for-1 won't work for the Avs due to the Vegas expansion draft. More specifically, they look like a team who'll be keeping 4 dmen due to Beauchemins NTC.

 

[DasKaiser]

Good lord no it is most certainly not

Yeah, it is!

 

[TheTakedown]

Well, outside of a direct swap of Barrie and McDonough, I could see the Avs working around something like JT Miller + Dylan McIlrath + Buchnevich + 2nd, somewhat similar to the O'Reilly return. But I don't really think Avalanche fans are all that keen on more prospects instead of immediate help

The swap wouldn't necessarily help either team unless both players drastically needed a change of scenery. I wouldn't do a swap from the Rangers perspective solely because of the salary difference once Barrie is paid the $7M+ that he wants (McDonagh makes $4.7M now, NYR would be taking on a decent amount of cap space)

Buchnevich is untouchable right now, so I won't even try to put him into proposals.

How about:

Chris Kreider
Dylan McIlrath
2nd Rounder
5th Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Kevin Hayes
3rd Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Marc Staal
2nd Rounder


Kreider is young, I think he in particular needs a change of scenery if he's ever going to explode, that's why I'm adamant about trading him. Not to say he's bad now, because he's a very fast, strong, 2nd line player already at this point in his career. He could easily be locked up for the Palmieri contract

 

[TheTakedown]

What we want: Barrie or a defender equivalent to Barrie in some way.

Why antagonize people for articulating what they want and then telling them they won't get that so they should settle for something else and deal with it?

What are the Rangers going to do, gives us Buchnevich, Skeji, Kreider and a 1st or something? Disparate pieces do not make up Barrie's worth to the Avs right now, they can simply go to arbitration, accept the awarding and keep him for 2 years.

Unless you're doing a Weber-Subban type of trade, you're not going to get a similarly comparable defenseman to Barrie by trading Barrie.

You'd have to trade an up front player, for a Barrie replacement, then trade Barrie for a forward (hence why I am bringing Chris Kreider into the conversation)

 

[Avs44]

Seriously, aahhh, this is the whole Subban conversation all over again. Can Barrie even play defense? He is not Orr, Robinson, Stevens, Pronger, etc.. RNH WOULD BE AN OVERPAYMENT! Colorado should add. I have a friend that is a huge Avs fan, he wants to get rid of Barrie and would gladly take RNH. Edmonton won't do it.

What's the point of mentioning Barrie isn't Bobby Orr? If he was, it would be McDavid++. Is that supposed to be some sort of great revelation?


I mean look, I can do it too...


RNH is not Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Sakic, etc. BARRIE WOULD BE AN OVERPAYMENT! Edmonton should add. I have a friend that is a huge Edmonton fan, he wants to get rid of RNH and would gladly take Barrie. Colorado won't do it. Seriously, please keep your soft 55 point centre.

 

[AslanRH]

Seriously, aahhh, this is the whole Subban conversation all over again. Can Barrie even play defense? He is not Orr, Robinson, Stevens, Pronger, etc.. RNH WOULD BE AN OVERPAYMENT! Colorado should add. I have a friend that is a huge Avs fan, he wants to get rid of Barrie and would gladly take RNH. Edmonton won't do it.

well, fortunately you are on a website with lots of Avs fans (I bet some are even more huge than your friend) and the majority of those fans would like to
1st - Keep Barrie
2nd - Trade him for a fair return that isn't completely futures based
3rd - Trade him for a similar more defensively sound 2 way defenseman (Hamonic like)






some where far down this list is - Trade him with additions for RNH

 

[TheTakedown]

well, fortunately you are on a website with lots of Avs fans (I bet some are even more huge than your friend) and the majority of those fans would like to
1st - Keep Barrie
2nd - Trade him for a fair return that isn't completely futures based
3rd - Trade him for a similar more defensively sound 2 way defenseman (Hamonic like)


some where far down this list is - Trade him with additions for RNH

Was going to say, Hamonic for Barrie would probably be the only useful player swap for Barrie

 

[hockeyviking]

The swap wouldn't necessarily help either team unless both players drastically needed a change of scenery. I wouldn't do a swap from the Rangers perspective solely because of the salary difference once Barrie is paid the $7M+ that he wants (McDonagh makes $4.7M now, NYR would be taking on a decent amount of cap space)

Buchnevich is untouchable right now, so I won't even try to put him into proposals.

How about:

Chris Kreider
Dylan McIlrath
2nd Rounder
5th Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Kevin Hayes
3rd Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Marc Staal
2nd Rounder


Kreider is young, I think he in particular needs a change of scenery if he's ever going to explode, that's why I'm adamant about trading him. Not to say he's bad now, because he's a very fast, strong, 2nd line player already at this point in his career. He could easily be locked up for the Palmieri contract

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrYWQIzKdn8

no never next

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

from NJ id give severson+2017 1st+Boucher

 

[DasKaiser]

The swap wouldn't necessarily help either team unless both players drastically needed a change of scenery. I wouldn't do a swap from the Rangers perspective solely because of the salary difference once Barrie is paid the $7M+ that he wants (McDonagh makes $4.7M now, NYR would be taking on a decent amount of cap space)

Buchnevich is untouchable right now, so I won't even try to put him into proposals.

How about:

Chris Kreider
Dylan McIlrath
2nd Rounder
5th Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Kevin Hayes
3rd Rounder

OR

Chris Kreider
Marc Staal
2nd Rounder


Kreider is young, I think he in particular needs a change of scenery if he's ever going to explode, that's why I'm adamant about trading him.

Don't think the Rangers are crazy and they like him too much, size and skill. Would like him on the wing for the Oilers.

Eberle
Davidson
2017 1st

Kreider
M. Staal

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Unless you're doing a Weber-Subban type of trade, you're not going to get a similarly comparable defenseman to Barrie by trading Barrie.

You'd have to trade an up front player, for a Barrie replacement, then trade Barrie for a forward (hence why I am bringing Chris Kreider into the conversation)

So if we're not getting a comparable defender, why don't we just do the sensible thing and hold out for an overpayment or keep the young defender after his arbitration award?

It's really quite simple. Avs don't have to move him unless there is a compelling reason. Losing Barrie for Kreider is not a compelling reason.

 

[Avs44]

Don't think the Rangers are crazy and they like him too much, size and skill. Would like him on the wing for the Oilers.

Eberle
Davidson
2017 1st

Kreider
M. Staal

Well...it's re-assuring to know that your evaluation of players is just as appalling for your own teams players as it is for the Avs. Your fellow Oiler fans would crucify you if they saw this.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Don't think the Rangers are crazy and they like him too much, size and skill. Would like him on the wing for the Oilers.

Eberle
Davidson
2017 1st

Kreider
M. Staal

What is wrong with you? The Oilers give up the better scoring winger (a team need for us), the better value defenseman (both #4 defensemen, Davidson has upside and is younger and cheaper), and still adds a 1st? Are you on glue?

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

So if we're not getting a comparable defender, why don't we just do the sensible thing and hold out for an overpayment or keep the young defender after his arbitration award?

It's really quite simple. Avs don't have to move him unless there is a compelling reason. Losing Barrie for Kreider is not a compelling reason.

People seem to want to neglect the bolded. They want to believe that the Avs need to move him right now, even though he has 3 RFA years left.

 

[DasKaiser]

What's the point of mentioning Barrie isn't Bobby Orr? If he was, it would be McDavid++. Is that supposed to be some sort of great revelation?


I mean look, I can do it too...


RNH is not Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Sakic, etc. BARRIE WOULD BE AN OVERPAYMENT! Edmonton should add. I have a friend that is a huge Edmonton fan, he wants to get rid of RNH and would gladly take Barrie. Colorado won't do it. Seriously, please keep your soft 55 point centre.

Yeah, you don't need another, you already have a softer Duchesne that still hasn't met his goaltender! Trading a 3 for 1, just to get Barrie, would be crazy. Otherwise, don't you think, it would be done! You talk about SOFT, since when is Barrie some giant, manical, mean defenseman. Trades are not made laterally. Sometimes needs are just filled.

 

[Avs44]

Yeah, you don't need another, you already have a softer Duchesne that still hasn't met his goaltender! Trading a 3 for 1, just to get Barrie, would be crazy. Otherwise, don't you think, it would be done! You talk about SOFT, since when is Barrie some giant, manical, mean defenseman. Trades are not made laterally. Sometimes needs are just filled.

Yeah...I imagine that at age 51 Duchesne has become rather soft, and he probably has never met Varlamov or Pickard, good observation. Keep these fascinating revelations coming, please, I'm learning so much.

 

[DasKaiser]

What is wrong with you? The Oilers give up the better scoring winger (a team need for us), the better value defenseman (both #4 defensemen, Davidson has upside and is younger and cheaper), and still adds a 1st? Are you on glue?

Ha, ha, ha, sure got some going, didn't it. Just wondered what would happen. Most fans in other cities wouldn't give a bundle of wooden sticks for Eberle, so now he's this great RW. Personally, I like Kreider and don't really know how old Stall is? He's the youngest Stall, right, and Davidson is 23 or 24, isn't he? The 1st was a bit much and originally was going 2nd. Remember, Davidson was a surprise and could regress.

Just proving a point that we seem to over value a lot of players. I would do a package of some sort that included Eberle, he's not my kind of player. Another player that has yet to meet the team goalie!

 

[Mad Brills*]

Leafs offer Carrick, 2017 1st, brown and bracco

 

[DasKaiser]

Yeah...I imagine that at age 51 Duchesne has become rather soft, and he probably has never met Varlamov or Pickard, good observation. Keep these fascinating revelations coming, please, I'm learning so much.

Someone has to teach you, and, oh yeah, good one!

 

[Avs44]

Someone has to teach you, and, oh yeah, good one!

You should probably go educate the Team Canada brass about how soft and bad defensively Duchene is. Apparently these incompetent idiots like Babcock keep picking him for tournaments like the Olympics and World Cup.


Of course, you'd actually have to watch the Avs to be able to discuss them competently, but considering you think Duchene sucks defensively, Barrie can't play defense, and you can't even spell Duchene, it's fairly obvious you've never done that but rather subscribe to baseless stereotypes.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Leafs offer Carrick, 2017 1st, brown and bracco

Would you trade Barrie for those pieces, or keep him for at least 2 more of his 3 remaining RFA years?