Player Discussion Tyler Seguin

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Are you saying that contrary to what the Boston media would have us believe, that Seguin does not, in fact, have a little captain in him? :sarcasm:

:laugh: Tobias Funke approves this question.

He must have some captain, considering all the people who reportedly boarded his vessel.

Maybe he'll give his hot sports takes on the pros and cons of smu sorority girls

Pros: Hot; DTGD, DTSC, DTF
Cons: Drunkenly clumsy at times; likes to randomly punch

You guys got a real problem on your hands with this kid.
 
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Are you saying that contrary to what the Boston media would have us believe, that Seguin does not, in fact, have a little captain in him? :sarcasm:
Perfect line. Well done.

Anyway, hear me out here. Let me preface this by saying, I don't think Tyler Seguin was a bad player for the Bruins. I think his off ice "stuff" is way blown out of proportion, and that a select few media guys definitely leaned on him hard when he was out the door, in an effort to smear his name/make the Bruins look good or whatever. I would also like to say that trading Seguin was not my first choice, unless the Bruins got a very significant return for him.

I wasn't against the Bruins trading Tyler Seguin. I wanted a more significant return than what we got, but at the same time, what we got is a good fit for the Bruins and the Bruins so far haven't missed a beat. But I ultimately judge players by what they do in the playoffs, that's all I care about. Couldn't care less about regular season numbers or success, so the jury is still out for me on Smith and Eriksson. Morrow I don't care about because the Bruins are in win now mode, and that was their reasoning behind Seguin being moved.

My first choice was to keep Seguin for one more year, and play him with Krejci and Lucic. He had played with them in spurts over the past year or so, even scoring the OT goal in game 6 vs Washington in 2012 off of a tic tac play between him and Krejci/Lucic. He had always looked his most dangerous offensively when he was playing with those two, and if he were to ever turn into the dynamic gamebreaker that he was projected as, as a Bruin, it would've been with him playing with those two.

This myth that Seguin was a bad player for the Bruins, or disappeared in the playoffs or something, I don't get, and it annoys me because I feel like it's just certain people, not everybody, but certain people, trying to rationalize the Seguin trade. Tyler Seguin was a good postseason player for the Bruins. He had a bad, bad series against Toronto. Against Toronto, he absolutely sucked. But in Game 7 when he was taken off of the Bergeron line, he actually had a good game.

He scored that OT goal vs Washington like I mentioned, and he also scored in Game 7 of that series with a very gritty effort in the crease, and scored a very greasy goal. He does compete. He also is an above average defensive player, for an offensively minded guy. I don't know if it's playing with Bergeron or what, but he has some nifty takeaways and backchecks, he is not Ovechkin, not even close, and I mean that in a good way. Oh and he was also a part of a Stanley Cup winning team. How quickly some Bruins fans forget. Him getting booed when he came back here made me want to puke. A player who is a part of a Cup team, should never be booed, ever.

The rest of the 2013 playoffs, he played a responsible 3rd line game, and had some good offensive flashes. He made an awesome play to set up Daugavins in Game 1 triple OT, and Daugavins didn't bury it in one of the greatest failures in sports history. If Daugavins was even semi competent, he ends that game and everyone is talking about what a great play it was by Seguin to set him up. He also set up Paille's OT goal in Game 2 vs the Blackhawks. He also made a great play to set up Kelly for the first goal in Game 6.

Seguin's problem is that he doesn't know how to utilize his strength in the corners, and in one on one battles for the puck. But that is something that he can learn as he develops. His other problem is he doesn't slow down the game like someone like David Krejci does. Seguin is always at his best when he is setting other players up. As good of a sniper as he is, he's an even better playmaker. His hockey sense isn't there like Krejci, but his vision, when he uses it, is very very good. He's always going at a million miles per hour and trying to go around guys, whereas if he used his speed to back players off, and then pulled up every once and a while to look for a late guy, like Phil Kessel does, he would be a million times more effective. Seguin needs to learn to harness his speed, and maybe he has since he left the Bruins (I've only seen a few full Stars games this year, I've only mostly seen highlights), or maybe he will. But as a Bruin, that was a big issue with him.

I'm okay with the Seguin trade, I would've liked to see them get more, but I trust Peter Chiarelli's judgment and if the Bruins win even one Stanley Cup as even a residual effect of this trade (which in my mind it would be because I believe in the butterfly effect but that's a different story for a different post), then it was a good trade for them no matter what Seguin turns into.

The reason I typed all of that, is so you know that I'm not some honk who blindly bashes Seguin just because the Bruins traded him and that I'm not trying to rationalize the trade when I say what I'm about to say. I've followed Seguin a little bit this season, and I've come to your board now and then to get your take on the kind of player you think he is and what not.

It's your board and you can say whatever you want, but I've been kind of surprised by the arrogant nature of a lot of your posts regarding Seguin. It seems like every time he scores or does anything, you are so quick to sarcastically bash the Bruins and their fans/media as a whole (instead of just the select few I mentioned above), as if you've fleeced the Bruins or something. Like I said, you can say whatever you want, I would just say, as a word of advice, as someone who has seen a lot of people have to eat crowe regarding trades in sports and that kind of thing, I would just exercise a bit of caution when talking trash about a trade.

It doesn't bother me, but as a person who has a rooting interest in the Bruins and knows what Seguin is and isn't capable of, I just found it interesting that some (not all) of you would be so cocky to say some of the things you've been saying. Everyone with a clue knew that Seguin would go to Dallas and put up a ton of points and goals in the regular season, so I don't know why every time he does something it's exasperated into what is is exasperated into on here.

The question wasn't whether or not Seguin could score in the regular season, the Bruins traded him because they believed that with the Bruins, they had seen enough from him to determine that he would not ever become the player they envisioned him becoming when they drafted him. Or if he was going to become that, it was going to take longer than they were willing to wait for, and their window to win is right now, as almost everyone else on their team is smack dab in the middle of their prime. He was a good player for them, but by his third year in the league, he should have been more of a factor than he was, and he wasn't. He was pretty good in the playoffs, but for someone with his potential and skill set, pretty good isn't good enough.

I have nothing bad to say about Seguin, and honestly wish him the best, because I'm comfortable with the team that the Bruins have and I don't think they need Seguin. I'm just saying as a word of caution, you're all going to look like idiots if Seguin never leads you to a Cup and the Bruins win it even if Seguin was addition by subtraction. I said the same thing about Vancouver fans who were so cocky pre 2011, you're just setting yourselves up for failure by being so outspoken.

But again it's your board, so you can say whatever you want.

CLIFFS:

-Seguin isn't as bad as some Bruins people are saying he was, as revisionist history to rationalize the trade. A lot of people actually are appreciative for what he did in bringing a Cup to Boston, so why so many of you are so cocky about this trade as if the Bruins are stupid or something, is beyond me.
-Everyone knew Seguin would put up a ton of regular season points
-Seguin was not a bad playoff player for the Bruins, he was pretty good. But for him, pretty good wasn't good enough, and the Bruins couldn't wait around, so they dealt him.
-I have nothing bad to say about Seguin, and his "partying" is blown way out of proportion by a select few idiots who again, try to rationalize the trade. He was not a locker room cancer, not even close. Everyone liked him.
-People in Boston who booed him and Peverley should be thrown off of a bridge.

Just some real perspective from a real Bruins fan, because I have writer's block and too much time on my hands. If you care, great. If not, carry on.
 
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Perfect line. Well done.

Anyway, hear me out here. Let me preface this by saying, I don't think Tyler Seguin was a bad player for the Bruins. I think his off ice "stuff" is way blown out of proportion, and that a select few media guys definitely leaned on him hard when he was out the door, in an effort to smear his name/make the Bruins look good or whatever. I would also like to say that trading Seguin was not my first choice, unless the Bruins got a very significant return for him.

I wasn't against the Bruins trading Tyler Seguin. I wanted a more significant return than what we got, but at the same time, what we got is a good fit for the Bruins and the Bruins so far haven't missed a beat. But I ultimately judge players by what they do in the playoffs, that's all I care about. Couldn't care less about regular season numbers or success, so the jury is still out for me on Smith and Eriksson. Morrow I don't care about because the Bruins are in win now mode, and that was their reasoning behind Seguin being moved.

My first choice was to keep Seguin for one more year, and play him with Krejci and Lucic. He had played with them in spurts over the past year or so, even scoring the OT goal in game 6 vs Washington in 2012 off of a tic tac play between him and Krejci/Lucic. He had always looked his most dangerous offensively when he was playing with those two, and if he were to ever turn into the dynamic gamebreaker that he was projected as, as a Bruin, it would've been with him playing with those two.

This myth that Seguin was a bad player for the Bruins, or disappeared in the playoffs or something, I don't get, and it annoys me because I feel like it's just certain people, not everybody, but certain people, trying to rationalize the Seguin trade. Tyler Seguin was a good postseason player for the Bruins. He had a bad, bad series against Toronto. Against Toronto, he absolutely sucked. But in Game 7 when he was taken off of the Bergeron line, he actually had a good game.

He scored that OT goal vs Washington like I mentioned, and he also scored in Game 7 of that series with a very gritty effort in the crease, and scored a very greasy goal. He does compete. He also is an above average defensive player, for an offensively minded guy. I don't know if it's playing with Bergeron or what, but he has some nifty takeaways and backchecks, he is not Ovechkin, not even close, and I mean that in a good way. Oh and he was also a part of a Stanley Cup winning team. How quickly some Bruins fans forget. Him getting booed when he came back here made me want to puke. A player who is a part of a Cup team, should never be booed, ever.

The rest of the 2013 playoffs, he played a responsible 3rd line game, and had some good offensive flashes. He made an awesome play to set up Daugavins in Game 1 triple OT, and Daugavins didn't bury it in one of the greatest failures in sports history. If Daugavins was even semi competent, he ends that game and everyone is talking about what a great play it was by Seguin to set him up. He also set up Paille's OT goal in Game 2 vs the Blackhawks. He also made a great play to set up Kelly for the first goal in Game 6.

Seguin's problem is that he doesn't know how to utilize his strength in the corners, and in one on one battles for the puck. But that is something that he can learn as he develops. His other problem is he doesn't slow down the game like someone like David Krejci does. Seguin is always at his best when he is setting other players up. As good of a sniper as he is, he's an even better playmaker. His hockey sense isn't there like Krejci, but his vision, when he uses it, is very very good. He's always going at a million miles per hour and trying to go around guys, whereas if he used his speed to back players off, and then pulled up every once and a while to look for a late guy, like Phil Kessel does, he would be a million times more effective. Seguin needs to learn to harness his speed, and maybe he has since he left the Bruins (I've only seen a few full Stars games this year, I've only mostly seen highlights), or maybe he will. But as a Bruin, that was a big issue with him.

I'm okay with the Seguin trade, I would've liked to see them get more, but I trust Peter Chiarelli's judgment and if the Bruins win even one Stanley Cup as even a residual effect of this trade (which in my mind it would be because I believe in the butterfly effect but that's a different story for a different post), then it was a good trade for them no matter what Seguin turns into.

The reason I typed all of that, is so you know that I'm not some honk who blindly bashes Seguin just because the Bruins traded him and that I'm not trying to rationalize the trade when I say what I'm about to say. I've followed Seguin a little bit this season, and I've come to your board now and then to get your take on the kind of player you think he is and what not.

It's your board and you can say whatever you want, but I've been kind of surprised by the arrogant nature of a lot of your posts regarding Seguin. It seems like every time he scores or does anything, you are so quick to sarcastically bash the Bruins and their fans/media as a whole (instead of just the select few I mentioned above), as if you've fleeced the Bruins or something. Like I said, you can say whatever you want, I would just say, as a word of advice, as someone who has seen a lot of people have to eat crowe regarding trades in sports and that kind of thing, I would just exercise a bit of caution when talking trash about a trade.

It doesn't bother me, but as a person who has a rooting interest in the Bruins and knows what Seguin is and isn't capable of, I just found it interesting that some (not all) of you would be so cocky to say some of the things you've been saying. Everyone with a clue knew that Seguin would go to Dallas and put up a ton of points and goals in the regular season, so I don't know why every time he does something it's exasperated into what is is exasperated into on here.

The question wasn't whether or not Seguin could score in the regular season, the Bruins traded him because they believed that with the Bruins, they had seen enough from him to determine that he would not ever become the player they envisioned him becoming when they drafted him. Or if he was going to become that, it was going to take longer than they were willing to wait for, and their window to win is right now, as almost everyone else on their team is smack dab in the middle of their prime. He was a good player for them, but by his third year in the league, he should have been more of a factor than he was, and he wasn't. He was pretty good in the playoffs, but for someone with his potential and skill set, pretty good isn't good enough.

I have nothing bad to say about Seguin, and honestly wish him the best, because I'm comfortable with the team that the Bruins have and I don't think they need Seguin. I'm just saying as a word of caution, you're all going to look like idiots if Seguin never leads you to a Cup and the Bruins win it even if Seguin was addition by subtraction. I said the same thing about Vancouver fans who were so cocky pre 2011, you're just setting yourselves up for failure by being so outspoken.

But again it's your board, so you can say whatever you want.

CLIFFS:

-Seguin isn't as bad as some Bruins people are saying he was, as revisionist history to rationalize the trade. A lot of people actually are appreciative for what he did in bringing a Cup to Boston, so why so many of you are so cocky about this trade as if the Bruins are stupid or something, is beyond me.
-Everyone knew Seguin would put up a ton of regular season points
-Seguin was not a bad playoff player for the Bruins, he was pretty good. But for him, pretty good wasn't good enough, and the Bruins couldn't wait around, so they dealt him.
-I have nothing bad to say about Seguin, and his "partying" is blown way out of proportion by a select few idiots who again, try to rationalize the trade. He was not a locker room cancer, not even close. Everyone liked him.
-People in Boston who booed him and Peverley should be thrown off of a bridge.

Just some real perspective from a real Bruins fan, because I have writer's block and too much time on my hands. If you care, great. If not, carry on.

You wrote more here than I did for one of my fourth year chemical engineering finals. I dont know what to think.
 
You wrote more here than I did for one of my fourth year chemical engineering finals. I dont know what to think.

Yeah, I do that. I just like to flesh out my thoughts. If someone wants to read it, I think it's worth reading. If not, move along, lol.
 
It's your board and you can say whatever you want, but I've been kind of surprised by the arrogant nature of a lot of your posts regarding Seguin. It seems like every time he scores or does anything, you are so quick to sarcastically bash the Bruins and their fans/media as a whole (instead of just the select few I mentioned above), as if you've fleeced the Bruins or something. Like I said, you can say whatever you want, I would just say, as a word of advice, as someone who has seen a lot of people have to eat crowe regarding trades in sports and that kind of thing, I would just exercise a bit of caution when talking trash about a trade.

It's an inside joke mocking some of your fanbase who were quick to trash him on General forums anytime he found success. We're making fun of the posts saying his accomplishments mean nothing bout 3-2-1 or because he had too many hat-trick games and all the other ridiculousness that people used to justify trashing him.

Those are exactly the people you yourself say you disagree with, so I wouldn't be so put off by it.
 
It doesn't bother me

But you clearly are since you took all that time to write out an entire essay just to say "stop being cocky," only to try and hide it by saying, "it's your board, so whatever."

Bruin fans did nothing but trash him when the trade happened. The media did nothing but try and justify about how bad a guy he was. The team did all they could to justify to Bruin fans on why they traded him (which I still don't get why any justification is ever needed, especially for a 20something year old who has all these problems we were told he has). Bruin fans did nothing but trash him when we went into Boston. They did nothing but trash him after he scored in the shootout. They did nothing but go on and on about how his points don't count since they're against bad teams. When y'all realized it wasn't going to stop, y'all bashed him and told us to wait for his disappearing act in the playoffs.

He was an unbelievable part of us getting back into the post season. He's a point a game player for us in the regular season...and he was a point a game player for us in the playoffs. We noticed him every single second he was on the ice last night. And he scored a huge goal that almost brought the lowly 16th seed back after falling down 4-0 against the best in the West.

We might be cocky about Tyler. But there is absolute no scenario that Bruin fans can point to us and say, y'all are wrong for being so. He's brought our franchise back from the dead and it's just the beginning for us. We're not the aging Canucks that you can bank on seeing fall away in a couple years. If the Bruins win a Cup this year, congrats. Y'all are in a win now mode unlike Dallas.

Edit: When I say y'all, I'm being general. Not referring directly to you.
 
Pretty much what Lobo said. I think these jokes would have died a month or two into the season except that Bruins fans on the main board kept claiming that he could only do this on games that didn't matter. And the best part about it was they were discounting his pretty good first half of the season claiming stuff like he wasn't consistent enough in his scoring. Then after the Olympics he put up points in nearly every single game there was, good teams or bad, and got us into the playoffs.

These jokes won't die because Boston fans continue to be complete idiots about a player they have unjustly victimized since that series in Toronto. You wrote a lengthy essay explaining the answer to your own question. Maybe he was just a guy who didn't fit in with club culture, played in the wrong position, and on the wrong line. I have absolutely no idea what went on with him in Boston. All I know is young superstars that get traded away from that place seem to flourish going back to Thornton. In fact, Thornton was also the highest point yielding player traded away the season he left Boston. Obviously it's not an issue for a team that has made two finals and won a cup since that time, but some culture around that team does seem to like crucifying young stars with high expectations.
 
It's an inside joke mocking some of your fanbase who were quick to trash him on General forums anytime he found success. We're making fun of the posts saying his accomplishments mean nothing bout 3-2-1 or because he had too many hat-trick games and all the other ridiculousness that people used to justify trashing him.

Those are exactly the people you yourself say you disagree with, so I wouldn't be so put off by it.

I know it's a select few, but it's also a select few in our fanbase and media who bash him. But I guess the negative people are the most vocal, since I am on here commenting on the select few who are so loud about the select few who are negative.

I have bashed many a Bruins fan who have said he was invisible or that he played badly for them. It's ignorant, revisionist history, homerism nonsense, and I can't stand it. The one thing I don't like is inconsistency. And it's those same people who will bash Seguin's regular season point totals, who will look at the Bruins' President's Trophy and say that they were the best team in the regular season as if that means anything whatsoever.

I get that people are happy with Seguin, and I get the joke of it, it seems a bit over blown, though. But if you're reacting to the idiots who over blow it the other way, then I guess it is understandable. I just felt like commenting on it and creating a discussion, because I know that rational level headed fans are hard to find on here. I want to make it clear that not all of us are ignorant blind Seguin bashers. And all of that said, I wasn't even a huge fan of Seguin or an apologist of his, or anything. Like I said, I was open to trading him, it wasn't my first choice, but I was definitely open to it. But I can't stand people who bash him as if he did nothing for the Bruins. He didn't live up to what we hoped he would have become by his third year, but to say he disappeared, is just not true at all and not fair to someone who contributed to one of, if not the best playoff run I have ever seen by any team in any sport, back in 2011.

But you clearly are since you took all that time to write out an entire essay just to say "stop being cocky," only to try and hide it by saying, "it's your board, so whatever."

Bruin fans did nothing but trash him when the trade happened. The media did nothing but try and justify about how bad a guy he was. The team did all they could to justify to Bruin fans on why they traded him (which I still don't get why any justification is ever needed, especially for a 20something year old who has all these problems we were told he has). Bruin fans did nothing but trash him when we went into Boston. They did nothing but trash him after he scored in the shootout. They did nothing but go on and on about how his points don't count since they're against bad teams. When y'all realized it wasn't going to stop, y'all bashed him and told us to wait for his disappearing act in the playoffs.

He was an unbelievable part of us getting back into the post season. He's a point a game player for us in the regular season...and he was a point a game player for us in the playoffs. We noticed him every single second he was on the ice last night. And he scored a huge goal that almost brought the lowly 16th seed back after falling down 4-0 against the best in the West.

We might be cocky about Tyler. But there is absolute no scenario that Bruin fans can point to us and say, y'all are wrong for being so. He's brought our franchise back from the dead and it's just the beginning for us. We're not the aging Canucks that you can bank on seeing fall away in a couple years. If the Bruins win a Cup this year, congrats. Y'all are in a win now mode unlike Dallas.

Edit: When I say y'all, I'm being general. Not referring directly to you.
I wrote so much, so that I didn't have to answer certain questions after. Also, I like to have my thoughts fleshed out. There's no *****ing or anything in what I wrote, if you read it. It's all level headed, legitimate takes. Just because I wrote a lot, that doesn't mean anything. So if I only wrote a sentence, then no matter what I wrote, it wouldn't bother me? I don't get that logic.

Anyone who bashed him about the shootout, is an idiot. I couldn't care less if he scored 900 goals in that one game alone, the regular season doesn't impress me. Whether it's him, or anyone on the Bruins, or on any team. I don't care about regular season performance. And as I said in my post, anyone who says he pulls a "disappearing act" in the playoffs, is just feeding into the propaganda that was spewed by the people you mentioned. He didn't disappear in the playoffs, not even close. I even gave very specific examples.

I'm just saying, it's not everyone spewing that propaganda, it's just people who are homers and trying to rationalize the trade. Even Peter Chiarelli himself has said that Seguin is a good kid and a good player. I get wanting to mock those particular people who spoke so loudly out against him, I just think it's been taken to another level, that's all.

I don't blame you for being excited about Seguin. I'm just saying that this idea that Peter Chiarelli has no idea what he's doing and that he's some kind of a moron for trading Seguin, I was surprised by it. Phil Kessel is a great player. Scores a ton of goals, and is an absolute animal in the postseason. I would take Phil Kessel over someone like Joe Thornton in a heartbeat. But Chiarelli had to evaluate and take the cap into consideration for what Kessel wanted coming off of his rookie deal. It was him or Krejci, and he chose Krejci, and while a lot of people snuffed at it, he made the right move. I wouldn't have commented on it if it didn't really stick out to me. Every team gets excited about a player, it seems like a lot of people on here though, are more into talking junk about a select few members of the Bruin community, than celebrating Seguin. And Seguin has had a good regular season, and looked good last night, and I honestly hope he does develop into the franchise player he was projected to be, because I am not insecure about the Bruins, and I am genuinely appreciative of what he helped us achieve in 2011.

With Seguin, the fact that he had not yet developed into what they hoped he would have by his 3rd year in the league, Chiarelli had a decision to make. Does he go forward paying Seguin 6 million dollars, even though he isn't at the point that they need him to be while paying him that 6 million, or do you look elsewhere and see if you can find a better fit, and better use of that money? He chose the latter.

It's good to be excited, I just don't get the gloating and rubbing it in Boston's face, when Seguin scores in the regular season. To me, the regular season is worthless. But I'm consistent about it. The fact that the Bruins won the Presidents Trophy, and that they are the favorites and being picked by almost everyone to win the Cup, I don't care. It means nothing to me. Just like Seguin scoring a ton of points in the regular season, means nothing to me. It's all about the playoffs, and after 1 game, he looks good, and I'm happy for him, I really am. I just don't see anyone on here being consistent about it, it's all "haha Boston is so dumb for handing us a 40 goal scorer", there's no mention of "Boston is the best team in the league after trading Seguin, he's a great player but it wasn't the right fit there." If you're going to put stock into the regular season, be consistent about it, it goes both ways.

But again it's your board, I just wanted to comment on it. And yes I write a lot, I like to have my thoughts all out there on the table instead of opening the door for obvious follow up questions, which I then have to reply to and then people have to wait for replies and it's a giant roundabout waste of everyone's time, lol.
 
Nah man, Seguin sucks and he's a drunk.

The fact that the Bruins won the Presidents Trophy, and that they are the favorites and being picked by almost everyone to win the Cup, I don't care. It means nothing to me.

Well if it means anything to you, I picked Detroit in 6.
 
Pretty much what Lobo said. I think these jokes would have died a month or two into the season except that Bruins fans on the main board kept claiming that he could only do this on games that didn't matter. And the best part about it was they were discounting his pretty good first half of the season claiming stuff like he wasn't consistent enough in his scoring. Then after the Olympics he put up points in nearly every single game there was, good teams or bad, and got us into the playoffs.

These jokes won't die because Boston fans continue to be complete idiots about a player they have unjustly victimized since that series in Toronto. You wrote a lengthy essay explaining the answer to your own question. Maybe he was just a guy who didn't fit in with club culture, played in the wrong position, and on the wrong line. I have absolutely no idea what went on with him in Boston. All I know is young superstars that get traded away from that place seem to flourish going back to Thornton. In fact, Thornton was also the highest point yielding player traded away the season he left Boston. Obviously it's not an issue for a team that has made two finals and won a cup since that time, but some culture around that team does seem to like crucifying young stars with high expectations.

I agree with everything you said up until you brought up Joe Thornton and flourishing. Joe Thornton has put up a ton of points in the regular season, that means absolutely nothing to us. Could not care less about what he has done as an individual. Trading Joe Thornton after consistent regular season success and annual playoff failure (HE was a true disappearing act for the Bruins in the playoffs, not Seguin. He deserves all the flack in the world for his play as a Bruin, and all of the times he lit up the regular season only to be 0s across the board in the playoffs and a first round exit every single year) lead to a residual effect and a regime change that won us 1 Cup so far and has positioned us for many legitimate Cup contending seasons from now until a long time. Meanwhile he has gone to San Jose and done the exact same thing, great regular season performances, playoff no shows and failures. Hasn't even come CLOSE to even sniffing a Cup.

Hockey is a team game, so you can't put all of the Sharks' failures on Thornton, but as their best player, their leader, their captain, he should get a brunt of that criticism. It goes back to consistency, like I said. You can't look at Thornton and say he's "flourished" because he put up a ton of points in the regular season, and just ignore his playoff failure. Joe Thornton might be a good individual player, but the Bruins aren't in the business of just having good individual players, they are all about winning championships, plural. And if trading Joe Thornton, for whatever reason, for whatever return, helped them, even as addition by subtraction, then it was the right move. Joe Thornton has been a failure of a player in my mind, going all the way back to his time as a Bruin.

But my point about Seguin has nothing to do with Thornton. And as far as crucifying young stars with high expectations, well, if you're a young star, especially in a market like Boston, there are going to be high expectations. And if you can't live up to those high expectations, you will be shipped out, period. Seguin was good, but he didn't live up to what they hoped he would be. Whether it was by his own doing, or by it just not being the right fit (he was never going to play center here, and he seems to be doing well at center), he was traded for a reason. They did it with Kessel and everyone laughed saying that they shouldn't have traded a budding superstar goal scorer, but they did and they won the Cup a year later. And Kessel has been a great player for Toronto, but that doesn't mean the Bruins were dumb for trading him. It has been more than justified.
 
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I just don't see anyone on here being consistent about it, it's all "haha Boston is so dumb for handing us a 40 goal scorer", there's no mention of "Boston is the best team in the league after trading Seguin, he's a great player but it wasn't the right fit there." If you're going to put stock into the regular season, be consistent about it, it goes both ways.

Why should we?

We have no ties to the Bruins. We have no ties to Boston's players.

Congratulations....you're doing exactly what you should've been doing because you have a solid team? Is that what you want hear?

This is a Stars board, talking about Stars related things. If Loui or Reilly were a huge part of getting the Bruins to where they are, then maybe it would be mentioned. But they aren't. We're at the end of a revival season of Stars hockey have 5 years of putrid hockey. The regular season might not mean anything to you but that sure is a lot of hockey to just be wasted watching.

We've never had a Top 5 point scorer since coming to Texas. We haven't had a legit offensive threat in this new era of hockey we're watching. God forbid we be happy about it and enjoy it, especially since we just made the post season for the first time in 6 years. NO ONE in Dallas cares about Boston doing what Boston SHOULD be doing. Put yourself in our shoes 4 or 5 years ago when the Bruins were nothing.

You just are coming off sounding like a bitter Bruin fan that wants another team's board to bow down to Boston because they're the top team in the league, even though that doesn't really matter to you. :help:

Personally I don't understand giving up on a player that wasn't even 22 yet. God knows where our team would be if we gave up on Benn or Dillon or never traded for Kari or Ribeiro because they weren't up to par yet.
 
It's good to be excited, I just don't get the gloating and rubbing it in Boston's face, when Seguin scores in the regular season. To me, the regular season is worthless.

Kinda hard to get to the playoffs without performing in the regular season... :p:

But I'm consistent about it. The fact that the Bruins won the Presidents Trophy, and that they are the favorites and being picked by almost everyone to win the Cup, I don't care. It means nothing to me. Just like Seguin scoring a ton of points in the regular season, means nothing to me. It's all about the playoffs, and after 1 game, he looks good, and I'm happy for him, I really am. I just don't see anyone on here being consistent about it, it's all "haha Boston is so dumb for handing us a 40 goal scorer", there's no mention of "Boston is the best team in the league after trading Seguin, he's a great player but it wasn't the right fit there." If you're going to put stock into the regular season, be consistent about it, it goes both ways.

Here's the thing. Anytime there was a post on the main board that said anything positive about Seguin, it was derailed into some ********* Seguin/Kessel debate or the typical bashing from disgruntled Bruins fans with 1 or 2 rational ones trying to keep the peace. Most of the comments were coming from Leafs fans or fans of other teams, yet the moment Boston was brought up there were nothing but backhanded comments and digs about Dallas and/or their fans, etc. If you actually look at most of our real opinions, we get the situation in Boston, we understand the way the team is built, what I'm getting tired of is the fact that some B's fans feel the need to constantly "educate" us on things we already understand.

I'm sorry if our tongue-in-cheek jokes offend you, but if you don't like it, don't hang out on our board.
 
I don't blame you for being excited about Seguin. I'm just saying that this idea that Peter Chiarelli has no idea what he's doing and that he's some kind of a moron for trading Seguin, I was surprised by it. Phil Kessel is a great player. Scores a ton of goals, and is an absolute animal in the postseason. I would take Phil Kessel over someone like Joe Thornton in a heartbeat. But Chiarelli had to evaluate and take the cap into consideration for what Kessel wanted coming off of his rookie deal. It was him or Krejci, and he chose Krejci, and while a lot of people snuffed at it, he made the right move. I wouldn't have commented on it if it didn't really stick out to me. Every team gets excited about a player, it seems like a lot of people on here though, are more into talking junk about a select few members of the Bruin community, than celebrating Seguin. And Seguin has had a good regular season, and looked good last night, and I honestly hope he does develop into the franchise player he was projected to be, because I am not insecure about the Bruins, and I am genuinely appreciative of what he helped us achieve in 2011.

I think this might be overstated a little bit or even a lot. I don't see much on this board about your GM being dumb or making a huge mistake. When there is a thread on the main board it descends into madness almost immediately because it fills up with third party yahoos, then defensive bruins fans, then defensive Stars fans.

With Seguin, the fact that he had not yet developed into what they hoped he would have by his 3rd year in the league, Chiarelli had a decision to make. Does he go forward paying Seguin 6 million dollars, even though he isn't at the point that they need him to be while paying him that 6 million, or do you look elsewhere and see if you can find a better fit, and better use of that money? He chose the latter.

This is a new one for me, it was my understanding that he was always a dynamic offensive center before he was drafted and then was never given the opportunity to play that role in Boston?

It's good to be excited, I just don't get the gloating and rubbing it in Boston's face, when Seguin scores in the regular season. To me, the regular season is worthless. But I'm consistent about it. The fact that the Bruins won the Presidents Trophy, and that they are the favorites and being picked by almost everyone to win the Cup, I don't care. It means nothing to me. Just like Seguin scoring a ton of points in the regular season, means nothing to me. It's all about the playoffs, and after 1 game, he looks good, and I'm happy for him, I really am. I just don't see anyone on here being consistent about it, it's all "haha Boston is so dumb for handing us a 40 goal scorer", there's no mention of "Boston is the best team in the league after trading Seguin, he's a great player but it wasn't the right fit there." If you're going to put stock into the regular season, be consistent about it, it goes both ways.

Is anyone saying this anywhere on the Dallas board? As others have said, our jokes are a response to the party line hooey that came out of the media following the trade. I apologize if Stars fans are in fact running to your board and smack talking about it but I would be very surprised if that was the case.
 
Yeah I can't remember a single Stars fan laughing at Chiarelli and calling him stupid; that's all 3rd party/neutral fans on the main boards. Were too busy being happy about what we got to give two ***** about the Bruins and their future.
 
Why should we?

We have no ties to the Bruins. We have no ties to Boston's players.

Congratulations....you're doing exactly what you should've been doing because you have a solid team? Is that what you want hear?

This is a Stars board, talking about Stars related things. If Loui or Reilly were a huge part of getting the Bruins to where they are, then maybe it would be mentioned. But they aren't. We're at the end of a revival season of Stars hockey have 5 years of putrid hockey. The regular season might not mean anything to you but that sure is a lot of hockey to just be wasted watching.

We've never had a Top 5 point scorer since coming to Texas. We haven't had a legit offensive threat in this new era of hockey we're watching. God forbid we be happy about it and enjoy it, especially since we just made the post season for the first time in 6 years. NO ONE in Dallas cares about Boston doing what Boston SHOULD be doing. Put yourself in our shoes 4 or 5 years ago when the Bruins were nothing.

You just are coming off sounding like a bitter Bruin fan that wants another team's board to bow down to Boston because they're the top team in the league, even though that doesn't really matter to you. :help:

Personally I don't understand giving up on a player that wasn't even 22 yet. God knows where our team would be if we gave up on Benn or Dillon or never traded for Kari or Ribeiro because they weren't up to par yet.
I would agree with you about the why should we thing if so much of what is said here, isn't snarkily related to underhandedly bashing the Bruins. But it is. The stuff I'm talking about isn't celebrating Seguin, it's looking at the Bruins like they're stupid for trading him because he's put up a bunch of regular season points, when in the regular season, the Bruins have not needed him one bit.

Again I'm not bashing you for being happy about it, I thought I made that clear in my posts. I'm not even bashing you for bashing the Bruins, what I'm saying is I don't understand it, and I think it's inconsistent of you to do so.

I couldn't be any less bitter, I am more than okay with the trade and the team that the Bruins have. They aren't the top team in the league, the top team isn't determined until about mid June. I was just trying to create a discussion, I thought that the way I prefaced my point by talking about how I liked Seguin and appreciated what he did for the Bruins, and how I don't like Bruins fans who blindly bash him, was enough to make it clear that I wasn't here as a bitter opposing fan or anything like that, but I guess not.

As far as giving up on a player who isn't 22 yet. See: Joe Thornton and Phil Kessel. That worked out fine for the Bruins. They've gone on to put up some good numbers, and the Bruins have gone on to win. It's about what's best for the team, period. And for the record I'd take Kessel over Thornton every day of the week, a million times on Sunday.

Kinda hard to get to the playoffs without performing in the regular season... :p:



Here's the thing. Anytime there was a post on the main board that said anything positive about Seguin, it was derailed into some ********* Seguin/Kessel debate or the typical bashing from disgruntled Bruins fans with 1 or 2 rational ones trying to keep the peace. Most of the comments were coming from Leafs fans or fans of other teams, yet the moment Boston was brought up there were nothing but backhanded comments and digs about Dallas and/or their fans, etc. If you actually look at most of our real opinions, we get the situation in Boston, we understand the way the team is built, what I'm getting tired of is the fact that some B's fans feel the need to constantly "educate" us on things we already understand.

I'm sorry if our tongue-in-cheek jokes offend you, but if you don't like it, don't hang out on our board.
Well yeah obviously you have to do somewhat well in the regular season, but you know what I mean. I'm just saying that it means nothing if you don't replicate that success in the playoffs. 1 seed or 16 seed, as long as you get in, that's all that matters. If the Bruins go to the Finals and lose, they went home with the same thing as everyone but the Cup winner, which is nothing. You're either first, or you're last. There's the champion and there's everyone else. You play to win the game.

I don't doubt that stuff about the main board. I just don't get your reaction to it, is all. Honestly I probably hate those Bruins fans more than you do, they're embarrassing. When Leaf fans in 2010 were laughing and bashing the Bruins every time Kessel scored a goal (as they went on their way to a 29th place finish, lol), and lol'd at the Bruins for only getting draft picks, I feel like most Bruins fans sort of brushed them off as idiots and went on about it.

I think we're on the same page here, I'm not offended, because I am not one of the people you are mocking, not even close. Don't confuse my lengthy posts with bitterness or being offended or anything like that. I'm just creating a discussion here that I think is worth talking about, and I have absolutely nothing better to do right now than to sit here and write a bunch of essays.
 
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