Player Discussion Tyler Myers thread

[VanJack]

I seriously doubt that Myers and his agent are going to accept a huge haircut on his contract to come back to Vancouver. This might be the last NHL contract he'll ever get, so he has to 'go for it'.

So if he's determined to test free agency, he's as good as gone. Some team starved for right-shot d-men is bound to overpay.

He salvaged his NHL career based on his last season with the Canucks.....but the Myers experiment has run its course for the Canucks.

 

[sabremike]

 

[Coffee]

He's going to age well I think, he's a solid defender and I'm eager to see how he starts the year off

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Regular season his face washes/shoves/cross checks/box outs and slightly awkward checks get called but in the playoffs they don’t, he was really effective in the playoffs for us and was our 2nd best defender after Big Z.

 

[Green Blank Stare]

Still trash.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Still trash.

In no world should we be icing Friedman, Julsen, and Brannstrom in the same game. (And Deshartnais, ever)

Not sure what you're expecting of a 3mil player, and for that price, he's fine.

 

[mriswith]

His buyout this summer is relatively painless and I'm a big advocate of this option.

 

[F A N]

His buyout this summer is relatively painless and I'm a big advocate of this option.

Why would we buy him out though? Our head coach is playing him over 20 minutes a game of late and he's making $3M as a RHD with size. Utilize him on the 3rd pairing or on the 2nd pairing paired with a #3. Our right side right now consists of Juulsen, Myers, and Friedman.

Let's not get ahead of oursevles. If Myers is blocking a young player or a acquisition/signing then ya buy him out. At $3M the team has bigger problems if he's the problem.

 

[VanJack]

Myers struggles have mirrored the team......up one game, and down the next. But becoming more apparent by the game, that last year was basically a 'one-off'.......another example of a player coming up big in a contract year.

They might get another season out of Myers, but I'd be surprised if he isn't bought out prior to year three.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

His buyout this summer is relatively painless and I'm a big advocate of this option.

dumb.. we are short on defenseman, so let's buy out 1 of our 3 actual NHL defenseman?

 

[F A N]

dumb.. we are short on defenseman, so let's buy out 1 of our 3 actual NHL defenseman?

mriswith did say offseason where wholesale changes can be made.

 

[thefutures]

Should give more multi year extensions to guys u can't give away when they are expiring.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

dumb.. we are short on defenseman, so let's buy out 1 of our 3 actual NHL defenseman?

#comprehension

 

[F A N]

Should give more multi year extensions to guys u can't give away when they are expiring.

If you're talking about Myers here, the team had ample opportunity to trade Myers but chose to keep him.

As much criticism as Myers has received here, he obviously wants stay. Of the Group 3 UFA defensemen Allvin has tried to bring back in recent years (Bear, Cole, Zadorov), only Myers was willing to re-sign.

 

[Canucker]

If you're talking about Myers here, the team had ample opportunity to trade Myers but chose to keep him.

As much criticism as Myers has received here, he obviously wants stay. Of the Group 3 UFA defensemen Allvin has tried to bring back in recent years (Bear, Cole, Zadorov), only Myers was willing to re-sign.

Myers was also probably the only one willing to take a pay cut to stay...which probably had management salivating...and he's still overpaid and quite possibly a negative asset.

 

[F A N]

Myers was also probably the only one willing to take a pay cut to stay...which probably had management salivating...and he's still overpaid and quite possibly a negative asset.

I think his AAV is fine but his deal was one year too long. There aren't that many players who are going to take a huge discount to stay. A small discount maybe but you can't be that far off. And if you look at the UFA signings over the summer, were there notable upgrades who signed for around the same AAV and term? Like Dillon signed for 3x$4M. That's the closest comparable I can think of and he isn't a RHD. Dumba signed for 2x$3.75. If you're not happy with Myers you're not going to be happy with Dumba (to be clear I think Myers is better).

 

[Canucker]

I think his AAV is fine but his deal was one year too long. There aren't that many players who are going to take a huge discount to stay. A small discount maybe but you can't be that far off. And if you look at the UFA signings over the summer, were there notable upgrades who signed for around the same AAV and term? Like Dillon signed for 3x$4M. That's the closest comparable I can think of and he isn't a RHD. Dumba signed for 2x$3.75. If you're not happy with Myers you're not going to be happy with Dumba (to be clear I think Myers is better).

Honestly, it was a struggle for me to accept bringing him back at all...but i pretty much had to resign myself to the idea he was going to return again once they seemed like they were going to bring him back at a reduced cost...like you, the term was the biggest issue for me...but my hope was that we would find a top 4 defenseman to push him further down the depth chart...was not to be and still hasn't happened, and we're still dealing with a bad defender being over-utilized.

 

[F A N]

Honestly, it was a struggle for me to accept bringing him back at all...but i pretty much had to resign myself to the idea he was going to return again once they seemed like they were going to bring him back at a reduced cost...like you, the term was the biggest issue for me...but my hope was that we would find a top 4 defenseman to push him further down the depth chart...was not to be and still hasn't happened, and we're still dealing with a bad defender being over-utilized.

Myers was a good insurance policy given the lack of RHD options. Just got to forget about how much he was paid previously. While Myers is older, he's being less than what we're paying Soucy and most of us were happy with Soucy being signed as a #5 LHD.

We'll see what management does with the D. Their original offseason plan obviously didn't go so well as the guys they wanted to re-sign for the price they wanted to re-sign them for left except for Myers. Consequently, I wonder if Desharnais was a bit of a desperate signing.

 

[Canucker]

Myers was a good insurance policy given the lack of RHD options. Just got to forget about how much he was paid previously. While Myers is older, he's being less than what we're paying Soucy and most of us were happy with Soucy being signed as a #5 LHD.

We'll see what management does with the D. Their original offseason plan obviously didn't go so well as the guys they wanted to re-sign for the price they wanted to re-sign them for left except for Myers. Consequently, I wonder if Desharnais was a bit of a desperate signing.

I mean I get why management brought him back, purely from the perspective of a) money, he wanted less to stay than he likely would have gotten from the open market. b) a desire to stay in Van, I think he lives in the Okanagan in the summer and loves the area. c) familiarity with the players, coaching staff and systems...all very good reasons to bring him back...however, he's just not good at the role he is given and it would seem that nobody in management or the coaching staff can see it because he's continually put in positions to fail and more often than not, fails....and rather than determine that he's a problem, he's given more rope.

I would hope that Desharnais wasn't a "desperation signing"...but he very well could be one. I just think that cap space is far too valuable a commodity to be throwing away at pieces that don't adequately fill needs...IMO the need was pretty clearly a legit top 4 defenseman who could move the puck, instead we went with some trees. Those trees are now an impediment to addressing our actual needs...as much as I like PA and company, for every 4-5 transactions they make that I think are decent to very good, they come up with a real headscratcher that make me wonder if they know what they're doing.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

mriswith did say offseason where wholesale changes can be made.

#comprehension

why do fans think there's a readily available endless pool of players that a team can get as long as they have cap space? Cut Myers and who is replacing those minutes, especially at that cost? buying him out is a silly suggestion.

 

[F A N]

I mean I get why management brought him back, purely from the perspective of a) money, he wanted less to stay than he likely would have gotten from the open market. b) a desire to stay in Van, I think he lives in the Okanagan in the summer and loves the area. c) familiarity with the players, coaching staff and systems...all very good reasons to bring him back...however, he's just not good at the role he is given and it would seem that nobody in management or the coaching staff can see it because he's continually put in positions to fail and more often than not, fails....and rather than determine that he's a problem, he's given more rope.

I would hope that Desharnais wasn't a "desperation signing"...but he very well could be one. I just think that cap space is far too valuable a commodity to be throwing away at pieces that don't adequately fill needs...IMO the need was pretty clearly a legit top 4 defenseman who could move the puck, instead we went with some trees. Those trees are now an impediment to addressing our actual needs...as much as I like PA and company, for every 4-5 transactions they make that I think are decent to very good, they come up with a real headscratcher that make me wonder if they know what they're doing.

Not to derail the Myers thread as this is more about management, but from the offseason reports/speculation, it sounds like that beyond trying to re-sign Zadorov at $5M AAV or a bit less, management was offering Lindholm $7M AAV and was reportedly interested in pursuing Guentzel (who was expected to make more). Basically from before the Lindholm acquisition we've been talking about top 6 winger. We ended up with DeBrusk at $5.5M.

It is surprising that after years of talking about redistributing cap spending from forwards to defence we went the other way this summer.

 

[Canucker]

Not to derail the Myers thread as this is more about management, but from the offseason reports/speculation, it sounds like that beyond trying to re-sign Zadorov at $5M AAV or a bit less, management was offering Lindholm $7M AAV and was reportedly interested in pursuing Guentzel (who was expected to make more). Basically from before the Lindholm acquisition we've been talking about top 6 winger. We ended up with DeBrusk at $5.5M.

It is surprising that after years of talking about redistributing cap spending from forwards to defence we went the other way this summer.

yeah, it wasn't the direction I 'd hoped for, but not knowing who/what was available to them during the off season its hard to be too critical...but it seems, from the outside, that they missed on an area of need.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

why do fans think there's a readily available endless pool of players that a team can get as long as they have cap space? Cut Myers and who is replacing those minutes, especially at that cost? buying him out is a silly suggestion.

You replace him with someone equally awful with a smaller cap hit.

 

[F A N]

why do fans think there's a readily available endless pool of players that a team can get as long as they have cap space? Cut Myers and who is replacing those minutes, especially at that cost? buying him out is a silly suggestion.

I have consistently said that cap space is only valuable if you make good use of it. At the end of the day you need good players to fill key positions. But you quoted me and missed my point:

dumb.. we are short on defenseman, so let's buy out 1 of our 3 actual NHL defenseman?

There's certainly "NHL defenseman" to be had in the offseason is my point. And no I'm not in favour of buying out Myers in the offseason.

 

[ghostingtaro]

played 22 minutes tonight and a -2