Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[GCK]

I think I'd look at Scott Mayfield as a comparable. 3.5 x 7-8.

That would be great. Once Chabot’s contract is up after 2027/28 he would become part of the top 4.

 

[bicboi64]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wonder what it would take to get Kleven on an 8 year deal.

I think it could be done pretty reasonably . What can we sign him for 3 years? He is UFA in 2029.. so 1 year out.
I like Kleven and we could likely save over 8 years... maybe 8x4 over 3 we maybe could go 2.75 x 3 and pay him 4+ later
Chabot is on the books currently until 2028. Going 3 with Kleven would put him and Chabot up for contracts at the same time.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

I entirely disagree with everything here.

I have felt as comfortable with Kleven out defensively as any of our D. In fact sometimes I think I am expecting too much from a guy who just turned 23 and playing his first full season in NHL.

He will only get better and better and I think it's wishful thinking he will sign for that because he will know he can cash in higher in 4 years from now.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

It always takes more time to develop the big defenders. I would say he'll be worthwhile in a year or two.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

I mean, he's not that player right now but the guy will almost certainly develop and become a more dependable player, in more situations. That being said there is no way I would sign him to an 8 year contract. Unless it was under $1.5m AAV. Signing 3rd pairing D, or 4th line F, to max term deals is not a prudent move, IMO.

 

[bicboi64]

I mean, he's not that player right now but the guy will almost certainly develop and become a more dependable player, in more situations. That being said there is no way I would sign him to an 8 year contract. Unless it was under $1.5m AAV. Signing 3rd pairing D, or 4th line F, to max term deals is not a prudent move, IMO.

I fully believe in him progressing in his development. But signing any 3rd pairing LD to 8 years right now just doesn't seem like the best idea.

Plus he won't cost too much even if he gets any better. I look at other defensive LDs that can play on the 2nd pairing as comparisons:

• Seigenthaler 5 years $3.4 aav
• Samuelsson 7 years $4.2 million aav
• Alex Vlasic 6 years $4.6 million aav

Each of those guys are better than Kleven and got paid. We can easily bridge Kleven below $3.5 million and then extend him again around $4 million if he can start being a quality shut down guy that's playing 18-19 minutes per game.

 

[GCK]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

I’m fairly sure the poise Kleven shows holding the puck to make the correct breakout pass doesn’t come from sheltered minutes.

 

[GCK]

I mean, he's not that player right now but the guy will almost certainly develop and become a more dependable player, in more situations. That being said there is no way I would sign him to an 8 year contract. Unless it was under $1.5m AAV. Signing 3rd pairing D, or 4th line F, to max term deals is not a prudent move, IMO.

The idea of signing him now for 8 years is that he moves into the top 4 once Chabot’s contract is up. Kleven plays the solid defender role while Yakemchuk comes off his ELC and takes over as a puck mover / offensive presence in place of Chabot.

 

[HSF]

The idea of signing him now for 8 years is that he moves into the top 4 once Chabot’s contract is up. Kleven plays the solid defender role while Yakemchuk comes off his ELC and takes over as a puck mover / offensive presence in place of Chabot.

lmao

 

[GCK]

lmao

You don’t think Kleven is a top 4 D in waiting ?

 

[bicboi64]

I’m fairly sure the poise Kleven shows holding the puck to make the correct breakout pass doesn’t come from sheltered minutes.

Pulled this from Natural Stat Trick Defensive Pairs - Natural Stat Trick

Pairings that Kleven is on are bottom 3 in defensive zone starts. Green relies on Chabot, Jensen, Sanderson and Hamonic to do the heavy lifting there. He is literally getting easier minutes than them. Kleven is also bottom 3 in offensive zone starts.

He's a rookie who's made some mistakes and is holding his own. Coach doesn't trust him too much in our own zone or the opponents zone because he's still working on both his defensive and offensive game.

He's literally a rookie that we're properly developing and the last thing we need is to throw a long-term contract at him when we haven't even seen what he can do with more development. He's played more than 19 minutes 3 times in his career. I'm sure he can become a top 4 defender, but there's a lot of development left.

 

[GCK]

Pulled this from Natural Stat Trick Defensive Pairs - Natural Stat Trick

Pairings that Kleven is on are bottom 3 in defensive zone starts. Green relies on Chabot, Jensen, Sanderson and Hamonic to do the heavy lifting there. He is literally getting easier minutes than them. Kleven is also bottom 3 in offensive zone starts.

He's a rookie who's made some mistakes and is holding his own. Coach doesn't trust him too much in our own zone or the opponents zone because he's still working on both his defensive and offensive game.

He's literally a rookie that we're properly developing and the last thing we need is to throw a long-term contract at him when we haven't even seen what he can do with more development. He's played more than 19 minutes 3 times in his career. I'm sure he can become a top 4 defender, but there's a lot of development left.

I’ve seen enough to take the chance.

 

[Micklebot]

Of course he's sheltered, he's a rookie playing on the bottom pairing with our 6th, 7th or 8th Dman as his partner.

That said, I see no reason to jump head first into an 8 year deal, he's not likely to sign one that is too cheap if he sees himself as a future top 4 guy.

I think we'll probably sign him to a three year deal.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You don’t think Kleven is a top 4 D in waiting ?

I think that's far from a sure thing. At least him being a GOOD top 4 D.

 

[DueDiligence]

Kleven plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the league. He's doing a serviceable job right now, but he's not the big physical go to shut down guy that we hope he'll develop into. An 8 year deal at $3.5 million aav could backfire hard for a team like us that already has cap issues.

What rookie Dman comes into the league and plays great physical defense right away? Guys come in and play well offensively but still make a ton of mistakes in their own end. Give him another season and he will be fine.

 

[Alex1234]

Of course he's sheltered, he's a rookie playing on the bottom pairing with our 6th, 7th or 8th Dman as his partner.

That said, I see no reason to jump head first into an 8 year deal, he's not likely to sign one that is too cheap if he sees himself as a future top 4 guy.

I think we'll probably sign him to a three year deal.

Absolutly
And I tend to give big time credit to Green for that
He is blending everybody real well so far
A bit like Boucher used to do when we went deep in the PO

 

[Micklebot]

Absolutly
And I tend to give big time credit to Green for that
He is blending everybody real well so far
A bit like Boucher used to do when we went deep in the PO

You don't feed steak to a baby.

 

[Icelevel]

You don't feed steak to a baby.

But but….carnivore diet!!
Carnivore babies eat carnivore diets. We’re all carnivores just ask Joe or Jordan or even Jakob.

 

[Micklebot]

But but….carnivore diet!!
Carnivore babies eat carnivore diets. We’re all carnivores just ask Joe or Jordan or even Jakob.

I'll go pickup a vitamix from costco, we can put the steak through it and have a nice puré that even the babies can enjoy.

 

[bicboi64]

What rookie Dman comes into the league and plays great physical defense right away? Guys come in and play well offensively but still make a ton of mistakes in their own end. Give him another season and he will be fine.

Kleven has stepped in and played a solid role as a #6 guy. I've never suggested otherwise.

But he has a lot more development left that I'd like to see before giving him an 8 year contract or anointing him a surefire top4 guy when he hasn't even been asked to play that by our coach. I'm sure in a year or so he'll get a taste of some more top 4 playing time, but Staios would be very trigger happy to sign him to an 8 year deal in the off season

 

[BondraTime]

Kleven is a 3 x 1.75/2.5 type guy

And he’s very good in his role, he just isn’t going to be worth a lot of money with his kind of game off an ELC.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

An 8 year contract wouldn't make sense for either side. Because for it to not be too much risk for the team, he would have to lock in at a really low value like #6D money, but if he does that he risks leaving millions on the table.

It would have to be one of those strange situations like when Jarnkrok signed a 6 year 2M contract after breaking out as a top 9 forward.

There aren't even any real comparables to point to. I'd he signs an extension to tomorrow, I'd probably guess 2M x 2 years, give or take a few 100k in either direction. So I don't know how you'd extrapolate that to a reasonable 8 year deal when players in his role never sign those kind of contracts after 1 year of NHL experience.

 

[BondraTime]

An 8 year contract wouldn't make sense for either side. Because for it to not be too much risk for the team, he would have to lock in at a really low value like #6D money, but if he does that he risks leaving millions on the table.

It would have to be one of those strange situations like when Jarnkrok signed a 6 year 2M contract after breaking out as a top 9 forward.

There aren't even any real comparables to point to. I'd he signs an extension to tomorrow, I'd probably guess 2M x 2 years, give or take a few 100k in either direction. So I don't know how you'd extrapolate that to a reasonable 8 year deal when players in his role never sign those kind of contracts after 1 year of NHL experience.

Samuelson is the only real comparison for his player type. 7 years 30 mill, 4.3 AAV signed after 54 games and 12 points at 19 minutes a night.

And even then, even if Kleven hits after a bridge was up, how much is a 20 point, 20 minute a night guy worth? No more than 5 million long term.

Putting up a long term contract like that makes sense when you’re oooking to get ahead of a huge breakout and development, like Batherson or Stutzle. It doesn’t make much sense when the type of player, even when they break out, make 3-5 million.

 

[Mr Hat]

I'll go pickup a vitamix from costco, we can put the steak through it and have a nice puré that even the babies can enjoy.

My 9 month old eats steak. Big long strips to avoid choking hazard and she just chews on it and loves it. We also puree chicken, beef and fish with veggies as well to make quesadillas. Just wish steak wasn’t so stupid expensive or I’d buy it more.