Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Tuna99]

Tend to agree with your take however I think Yak might surprise and arrive at the start of next season and take the 3RD role from JBD.

Which when you think about it. Kleven will be breaking in Yak with about 100 games of NHK experience at that point. Don’t see them breaking up Zub/Sandy Chaby/Jensen if the team makes the playoffs.
So makes sense to me they are playing Kleven and Hamonic together, want to get Kleven as mature and as ready as possible and best way to do that is omay him with a grizzled vet

 

[bicboi64]

Tend to agree with your take however I think Yak might surprise and arrive at the start of next season and take the 3RD role from JBD.

I like the idea of JBD as a placeholder/benchmark that Yak has to surpass to make the roster. JBD is fine on the 3rd pair but nothing special, with room to grow. If Yak can't beat him out for a spot, more development and slow cooking.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Yak sticking next year without significant time in the A is pretty low probability. Just sayin', temper expectations, there will be growing pains.

If he keeps up with Dickinson at the World Jr's as Canada's best all around every situation defender then odds go up but as an offence first dman it is very unlikely that he breaks in as easily as this pre-season had us believe and wins trust over JBD.

That's taking nothing away from the player, it speaks more to how the team is likely to handle his development.

 

[BondraTime]

He’s been a revelation for the 3rd pairing.

A guy that with size and strength, that can skate that well is extremely valuable.

The fact he has some great hockey IQ and passable puck skill to go with it is very good news for the Sens.

He makes the right reads and right plays almost every shift. That is unexpected.

Still rookie mistakes, but the fundamentals are all being shown. He’s looking to be an Edmunson type guy, which is unreal for the Sens.

 

[jbeck5]

Yak sticking next year without significant time in the A is pretty low probability. Just sayin', temper expectations, there will be growing pains.

If he keeps up with Dickinson at the World Jr's as Canada's best all around every situation defender then odds go up but as an offence first dman it is very unlikely that he breaks in as easily as this pre-season had us believe and wins trust over JBD.

That's taking nothing away from the player, it speaks more to how the team is likely to handle his development.

This. People need to be patient.

He's putting up a worse pace than last year in junior, so people need to be realistic that there will be growing pains, and development is not linear.

It's entirely possible that he put up a worse year than last year and looks worse at camp next year because of the lesser excitement levels, and then takes the year in the AHL to get used to pro hockey and comes back bigger and stronger in 2 years to make the jump. Heck, he could need 2 years in the AHL.

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

This. People need to be patient.

He's putting up a worse pace than last year in junior, so people need to be realistic that there will be growing pains, and development is not linear.

It's entirely possible that he put up a worse year than last year and looks worse at camp next year because of the lesser excitement levels, and then takes the year in the AHL to get used to pro hockey and comes back bigger and stronger in 2 years to make the jump. Heck, he could need 2 years in the AHL.

I feel like once Calgary trades Yak to a contender, his true colors will shine again and we will see his full potential at the WJHC. I believe he makes a serious push for the roster next year but could be blocked by JBD. I'm fine with either scenario.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Thought he’d be fine this year but Kleven has exceeded my expectations.
Buys time like a vet to open up ice on breakouts from deep in our end, uses his size really well to protect pucks, has the smarts and skill to make those clean passes. Lovely player.
If he can crank up the meanness/college physicality over the next couple years as he settles in what a package he brings to the table on that pairing.

 

[SensFactor]

Hes needs to learn when to pinch smarter

 

[Dionysus]

Hes needs to learn when to pinch smarter

Two bad pinches helping lead to the two late 3rd period goals was poor timing for sure.

 

[coladin]

Hes needs to learn when to pinch smarter

Fluke goal though

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Hes needs to learn when to pinch smarter

Rookie Mistake(s). He needs to learn to read the game situation a little better and that can, and should, only come with experience. Coulda used a save or two though and then we wouldn't be talking about it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Rookie Mistake(s). He needs to learn to read the game situation a little better and that can, and should, only come with experience. Coulda used a save or two though and then we wouldn't be talking about it.

That’s the key. It’s not even a thing if the goalie simply does his job.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

That’s the key. It’s not even a thing if the goalie simply does his job.

No. It's a still a thing and his coach would say the same thing. There is no need for a guy with 1 point in 16 games to get aggressive when we have a lead late in the game. Not to mention a goalie who was obviously fighting the puck.

It was a mental error and giving up potential odd man rushes with a lead late in the game is not good, regardless of how well the goalie is playing.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Two bad pinches helping lead to the two late 3rd period goals was poor timing for sure.

only the 4th goal .. He's in good position on the 3rd which Ullmark should have had.

The 4th goal, the juicy rebound goal .. he got caught pinching.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No. It's a still a thing and his coach would say the same thing. There is no need for a guy with 1 point in 16 games to get aggressive when we have a lead late in the game. Not to mention a goalie who was obviously fighting the puck.

It was a mental error and giving up potential odd man rushes with a lead late in the game is not good, regardless of how well the goalie is playing.

So let the coach worry about it. To a fan, and to the standings. It doesn’t mean shit in a game like last nights. If the goalie is making saves.

Haven’t heard many people here talking about the Philly breakdowns. Cuz they Won

only the 4th goal .. He's in good position on the 3rd which Ullmark should have had.
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The 4th goal, the juicy rebound goal .. he got caught pinching.

This type of rush happens like 50 times a game going either way. We held them to a soft shot from a bad angle and still people will talk about defensive miscues

 

[Alf Silfversson]

So let the coach worry about it. To a fan, and to the standings. It doesn’t mean shit in a game like last nights. If the goalie is making saves.

Haven’t heard many people here talking about the Philly breakdowns. Cuz they Won


This type of rush happens like 50 times a game going either way. We held them to a soft shot from a bad angle and still people will talk about defensive miscues

As a fan I watch the WHOLE team every game. I'm not a coach but can still identify questionable decisions/plays.

Unlike some I can, and choose to, discuss multiple facets of a single game.

 

[Micklebot]

No. It's a still a thing and his coach would say the same thing. There is no need for a guy with 1 point in 16 games to get aggressive when we have a lead late in the game. Not to mention a goalie who was obviously fighting the puck.

It was a mental error and giving up potential odd man rushes with a lead late in the game is not good, regardless of how well the goalie is playing.

Pinching like Kleven did isn't chasing points, it's trying to maintain pressure, that's a play you might want him making earlier in the game when the score is tied, regardless of whether he has 1 pt or 20 pts. But in a 1 goal game with 7 mins remaining, you just want to squeeze the pace out of the game and grind things to a halt. I don't care it it was Makar in that position, you got to be aware of the clock, and play accordingly. He'll learn from it,

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pinching like Kleven did isn't chasing points, it's trying to maintain pressure, that's a play you might want him making earlier in the game when the score is tied, regardless of whether he has 1 pt or 20 pts. But in a 1 goal game with 7 mins remaining, you just want to squeeze the pace out of the game and grind things to a halt. I don't care it it was Makar in that position, you got to be aware of the clock, and play accordingly. He'll learn from it,

attributing it to chasing points is very unfair. It was a close play... the Sens are playing a high pressure offensive system aimed at keeping the puck in the ozone ; Kleven had a close play that got by him .. Like you say time of the game.. he got caught. The result ended up in the net.. not all on him.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Pinching like Kleven did isn't chasing points, it's trying to maintain pressure, that's a play you might want him making earlier in the game when the score is tied, regardless of whether he has 1 pt or 20 pts. But in a 1 goal game with 7 mins remaining, you just want to squeeze the pace out of the game and grind things to a halt. I don't care it it was Makar in that position, you got to be aware of the clock, and play accordingly. He'll learn from it,

It makes a difference between Makar and Kleven because the risk/reward ratio gets skewed. If Makar pinches in past the forward there is decent chance he ends the game by creating a goal. With Kleven not so much. Other than having better wheels allowing him to potentially erase an odd man rush the risk is relatively the same for both players. One could end the game, the other is very unlikely to turn that play into anything. Know your role.

I wouldn't be happy with Makar making that play either but I'd understand it was more of a calculated risk.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

As a fan I watch the WHOLE team every game. I'm not a coach but can still identify questionable decisions/plays.

Unlike some I can, and choose to, discuss multiple facets of a single game.

That’s your prerogative. Are you discussing klevens error if Ullmark just makes the easy glove save and we win ?

We made some glaring individual errors in our wins as well (as other teams have).

 

[Alf Silfversson]

That’s your prerogative. Are you discussing klevens error if Ullmark just makes the easy glove save and we win ?

We made some glaring individual errors in our wins as well (as other teams have).

Of course we talk about goals. What exactly do think hockey is about?

Did you talk about all the great positional play Ullmark makes on a regular basis when nothing happens? Do you talk about it when goalie X loses his net but no goal is scored? Of course not.

You know why we don't talk about those things? Because goals are what matters and because in 99.9999% of hockey goals multiple things had to happen so that a goal is scored. Kleven making a minor rookie mistake doesn't change the fact Ullmark let in a bad goal. And vice versa.

But if it will make you happy we will all only discuss the quality of goals allowed by our goalie for the next 48 hours. That work?

 

[bicboi64]

First game where I'd say Kleven had some noticeable brainfarts that were costly, but they were bound to happen. He's young and learning, and hopefully he can stay a bit more composed in future similar situations.