Prospect Info: Tyler Boucher (RW/LW) - Don`t sleep on Tyler Boucher

[dumbdick]

They aren't similar players whatsoever....One is the most feared player in the past 20 years to play in the top 6, the other is a 4th line guy who hits a lot. It's a staggering, staggering difference

This was a month after the draft., I was hoping for +15ish points from Clutterbucks 20pts career average, which I'm not sure is realistic at this point

So 15 points above clutterbuck is almost exactly 15 points below tom wilson's career high points. And Boucher's size is right between the two.

You already agreed they're stylistically similar.

You're splitting hairs dude.

 

[BondraTime]

So 15 points above clutterbuck is almost exactly 15 points below tom wilson's career high points. And Boucher's size is right between the two.

You already agreed they're stylistically similar.

You're splitting hairs dude.

How, in anyyyyyyyy way, are Tom Wilson and Cal Clutterbuck similar players

Stylistically, as in the are both physical players. The same way Riley Kidney and Mitch Marner are stylistically similar players. Skill and ability, nothing alike.

And since he became a player that wasn't considered a bust in 2017 he's averaged 55 points per year

20 extra points, extra 15 pounds and 3 inches, top 6 slot, most feared player in the league, top PP; yeah, that's an absolutely gigantic difference

Clutterbuck is 220, Wilson is 220, Boucher is 205

Clutterbuck is 5'11, Wilson is 6'4, Boucher is 6'1

 

[dumbdick]

How, in anyyyyyyyy way, are Tom Wilson and Cal Clutterbuck similar players

You're the one making the comparison.

You said boucher plays stylistically similar to a smaller tom wilson, and then in the next post you said you compared boucher to clutterbuck.

By the transitive property of internet shit-talk, you made the comparison yourself.

I'm relying on others I know have made this comparison to wilson (hockey news, TSN).

I don't pretend to be a scout nor am i strongly defending the comparison. I'm just calling out revisionism and theatrics when regular joes opine that it's unfathomable to compare the two players, when professionals have made the exact comparison.

I'm a vigilant defender of internet humility, you see.

 

[BondraTime]

You're the one making the comparison.

You said boucher plays stylistically similar to a smaller tom wilson, and then in the next post you said you compared boucher to clutterbuck.

By the transitive property of internet shit-talk, you made the comparison yourself.

I'm relying on others I know have made this comparison to wilson (hockey news, TSN).

I don't pretend to be a scout nor am i strongly defending the comparison. I'm just calling out revisionism and theatrics when regular joes opine that it's unfathomable to compare the two players, when professionals have made the exact comparison.

I'm a vigilant defender of internet humility, you see.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, I'm literally saying he's like one, and not the other, because they're nothing alike.....

They aren't similar players whatsoever, other than being physical. Stylistically, sure, the same way Girgensons was considered similar to Wilson in 2012 because they were big and physical; but ability, size, fighting and skill based? Definitely not.

There are ton's of players who are stylistically similar while being nothing remotely comparable, which I've explained already. Are Marner and Jarventie similar players because they're both offensive guys? Is every 6'7 D picked similar to Chara because they're always called stylistically similar?

Our own head scout said himself threw water on the Wilson comparable

Trent Mann
"The (Tyler) Boucher kid, you talk to a lot of hockey people and the indication is that the Ottawa 67’s team was a completely different team when he arrived. Do you like his point totals? Like it or not like it, it’s up to each individual to decide. He’ll have to play. Please, don’t get me wrong. He’s not Tom Wilson because that’s not fair to the kid"

Funny enough that was in a interview defending our 2021 draft, in which right after this he spoke on how they are very happy with Roger and Romeo

Wilson is the easy, lazy comparison for any physical player the same way Chara was the easy lazy comparable that got guys like McIlrath and Valibik drafted 4 rounds too high in the 2000's, because teams want them. Problem is, they are unicorns because they don't have comparables.

 

[umma gumma]

Oh man, you are talking my language. I was heavy into the open wheel war and was a staunch Champ Car guy. Everything fIRL to me was about as rotten as the maple leafs and I can't watch it to this day becasue of what Tony George ruined.

Car is coming along slowly. Roll cage and interior fabrication happening next month, suspension is designed and I've amassed most of the parts to forge ahead but it will be a looong path. The Greg Moore part will be a powder blue Player's Indeck inspired livery and it will wear number 99. And engineering the car is a race shop in Laval called 'Mooresport' which is total coincidence but kinda cool.

Will DM pics when re-assembly starts happening.

Okay, sorry for the off topic everyone!

Interested to see this as well. I thought you were working on a 1/24 or 1/12 model lol.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I mean, if you agree they're "stylistically similar" why all the moon threats? They both play a hard hitting style that is often crossing the line into suspensions. Those projections are listed as "best case" scenarios.

If i ignore hindsight and just consider what people knew at the draft, I understand the comparison.

Who would you have compared boucher to at the time of the draft for a "best case" comparible?

I played very similar in style to Doug Gilmour growing up.

If any scout compared us they should be fired. He's good at many things at hockey I'm good at very few to none(from a professional standpoint). Same seems to go for Boucher v. Wilson.

People can be similar style of players but should also never be compared. I hope Boucher can be a useful player but anyone who thinks, or ever thought, he was the next Tom Wilson has some bats in the belfry.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Stylistically, Grieg is kind of like Peter Forsberg. Even in his best case scenario though, he's not going to be half of what Forsberg was.

Similarly, Boucher is kind of like Wilson. He's never going to be a Wilson, nobody in their right mind should have ever thought he was going to be anywhere as good or effective as him.

Anyone looking for anything positive from the draft was hoping for, like Wilson, a good skater, heavy body, with a decent shot, and someone who will relentlessly run you over. But, unlike Wilson, a second line winger (if absolutely everything goes right) or more realistically, a third line winger.

 

[dumbdick]

For funsies, here are a few quotes from the draft-year scouting reports of tom wilson and tyler boucher.

Can you guess which is which? (Warning, if you get it wrong Bonda may fire you to the moon).

#1
Overall, PLAYER is tough to gauge in terms of potential. He could top out as a top-6 winger capable of putting up points or fit nicely in a bottom-6 role as an enforcer/checking line winger. The beautiful thing about a prospect of PLAYER'S caliber is that he is able to be slotted anywhere in the lineup. In all honesty, I can see him going in the late first or early second round in this year’s Draft.

#2
When you watch PLAYER play hockey, it’s almost as if you stepped into a time machine and wound up in 1985. PLAYER plays a very physical style of hockey that is fairly hard to come by in today’s modern NHL.

#3:
The biggest improvement PLAYER has made from last season has been his skating. Where he once was a very choppy skater, PLAYER has honed his skills tremendously over the course of a season. For a “big man” it isn’t very often you see shifty moves like the ones PLAYER has, but that’s where his style of play becomes deceptive for other teams. If he won’t beat you with his body, he will certainly take advantage with his stickwork. His shot certainly has a great deal of speed behind it, but he needs to work on his release. A knock on him throughout the season is his consistency; some games he has “it” and some games he doesn’t.

#4:
Whether it be a player with their head down, someone in the open ice, or along the offensive or defensive glass, PLAYER does not show any mercy. With this mindset such play tends to wear down the opposition and makes them always keep their heads on a swivel whenever PLAYER is on the ice, which makes for frequent mistakes by them and more frequent opportunities for PLAYER'S TEAM

#5:
He thrives on making his presence known to the opposition, which is usually able to buy him some time and space on the ice. Not only is he successful at racking up points with that time and space, PLAYER also loves to drive to the net with force, with or without the puck. He’s more than capable of batting home a loose puck in tight, but can also kill you with his powerful, above average wrist shot

 

[BondraTime]

Anyone who compared Boucher to Wilson was asking for disappointment, they weren’t similar and Boucher had no realistic chance of becoming a Wilson like player that we knew Wilson was at the time of Boucher’s draft.

Especially when you consider Boucher was being compared to Wilson in 2021, not their pre draft selves.

If you, or anyone for that matter, could give me any kind of comparable report on them, I’d be astonished.

And as to the scouting reports, 1 and 2 have to be Wilson, 4 and 5 are without a doubt Boucher, and 3 I have no clue, reads as though it could be any player in any draft. Reads more like Wilson pre draft than Boucher, but can literally fit for just about any player in any draft who is 6ft

 

[Icelevel]

Sorry guys but this discussion is absolutely moronic.
He’s 20 year old after missing a whole year.
Give it a rest. Go away live your lives and come back in a year or two.

 

[dumbdick]

Anyone who compared Boucher to Wilson was asking for disappointment, they weren’t similar and Boucher had no realistic chance of becoming a Wilson like player that we knew Wilson was at the time of Boucher’s draft.

Especially when you consider Boucher was being compared to Wilson in 2021, not their pre draft selves.

If you, or anyone for that matter, could give me any kind of comparable report on them, I’d be astonished.

And as to the scouting reports, 1 and 2 have to be Wilson, 4 and 5 are without a doubt Boucher, and 3 I have no clue, reads as though it could be any player in any draft. Reads more like Wilson pre draft than Boucher, but can literally fit for just about any player in any draft who is 6ft

2 is boucher. 3 is wilson. You're right on the others.

 

[BrawlFan]

This guy has all the tools and was electric at the WJHC. And then got injured. And stayed injured.

I love him. I think him and greig and Brady and Kleven are gonna create an identity that the rest of the team will buy into.

He’s gonna be a great 3rd liner who gets PP2 time mark my words.

I wanna know how he looks atm but he needs 15-20 games to just be in game speed. Needs to stay healthy.

Above all else he just needs to zone out the haters. Which there are a lot and growing. He will be fine. Sens are usually quite good at picking forwards.

Speaking of which Zack my Zack does he pass the eye test. Needs better offence.

LFG SENS FANS. LETS ROOT FOR THIS f***ING BASTARD OF A PLAYER. he could be awesome and I’d love to see it. Stop being so negative. He’s 20. 20!!!!

 

[OD99]

This guy has all the tools and was electric at the WJHC. And then got injured. And stayed injured.

I love him. I think him and greig and Brady and Kleven are gonna create an identity that the rest of the team will buy into.

He’s gonna be a great 3rd liner who gets PP2 time mark my words.

I wanna know how he looks atm but he needs 15-20 games to just be in game speed. Needs to stay healthy.

Above all else he just needs to zone out the haters. Which there are a lot and growing. He will be fine. Sens are usually quite good at picking forwards.

Speaking of which Zack my Zack does he pass the eye test. Needs better offence.

LFG SENS FANS. LETS ROOT FOR THIS f***ING BASTARD OF A PLAYER. he could be awesome and I’d love to see it. Stop being so negative. He’s 20. 20!!!!

I don't feel I am being negative when I say I haven't seen anything from him in the last few years to indicate he will be an NHL player, let alone someone on PP2.

I can root for him while being realistic about what he is showing.

BTW, thought this was funny, as I was doing a quick search to see his stats.

 

[BrawlFan]

I don't feel I am being negative when I say I haven't seen anything from him in the last few years to indicate he will be an NHL player, let alone someone on PP2.

I can root for him while being realistic about what he is showing.

BTW, thought this was funny, as I was doing a quick search to see his stats.

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Depends. I haven’t inspected your post history but as a general rule I would say expressing one’s opinion once or responding to a post targeted toward your opinion of him is not negative.

There are posters who just want to shit on him like they get paid or he f***ed their girlfriend. Which is fine. But they just seem childish.

Point is give the kid time. And for the love of god if you don’t think he will be good - SHUT THE f*** UP

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Depends. I haven’t inspected your post history but as a general rule I would say expressing one’s opinion once or responding to a post targeted toward your opinion of him is not negative.

There are posters who just want to shit on him like they get paid or he f***ed their girlfriend. Which is fine. But they just seem childish.

Point is give the kid time. And for the love of god if you don’t think he will be good - SHUT THE f*** UP

If you ask what how he's doing and you want an honest assessment .. maybe you are not going to like what the answer you get is.
Doesn't mean people are going out of there way to be negative . It is what it is sometimes.

 

[BrawlFan]

If you ask what how he's doing and you want an honest assessment .. maybe you are not going to like what the answer you get is.
Doesn't mean people are going out of there way to be negative . It is what

I agree that wouldn’t be negative. If you and I don’t see that some posters just always insert themselves when not prompted by a question we can disagree.

Some just take it as a second profession. And that is childish to me. We get it. Some still like him. Go talk somewhere else.

$0.02.

 

[jhutter]

This guy objectively sucks. Some of these comments are pure comedy.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

This guy objectively sucks. Some of these comments are pure comedy.

You have just invoked the wrath of the sleeping giant they call 'Icelevel'.
That guy is coming for you.

 

[Larionov]

Ironic name to this thread given that Boucher got put to sleep with a big hit the other night, the exact kind of hit we were told he would hand out as opposed to receive. Five points in 20 games, and was playing on the fourth line getting limited minutes before getting hurt yet again. There is missing on a prospect, and then there is taking a player with this demonstrably limited skill set tenth overall in an NHL draft. Woof...

 

[Tuna99]

Ironic name to this thread given that Boucher got put to sleep with a big hit the other night, the exact kind of hit we were told he would hand out as opposed to receive. Five points in 20 games, and was playing on the fourth line getting limited minutes before getting hurt yet again. There is missing on a prospect, and then there is taking a player with this demonstrably limited skill set tenth overall in an NHL draft. Woof...

I heard his Dad on Toronto radio saying he Ty was a baby he used to feed him steak.

 

[New Ed]

Ironic name to this thread given that Boucher got put to sleep with a big hit the other night, the exact kind of hit we were told he would hand out as opposed to receive. Five points in 20 games, and was playing on the fourth line getting limited minutes before getting hurt yet again. There is missing on a prospect, and then there is taking a player with this demonstrably limited skill set tenth overall in an NHL draft. Woof...

Who are you attacking here? The people who selected him are gone. The kid looks like he’s not tracking to pan out and the injuries have played some part in that. Are you celebrating that he is hurt again?

 

[Larionov]

Who are you attacking here? The people who selected him are gone. The kid looks like he’s not tracking to pan out and the injuries have played some part in that. Are you celebrating that he is hurt again?

Just bemoaning a wasted first round pick. Sure, those happen, and no one bats 1.000 at the draft, but as an organization without a ton of prospect depth right now this one really stings. He's in the first year of a three year entry level deal so there isn't much harm in giving him another year, but I think it is fairly clear that at some point they'll need to move on from him to clear a roster spot in Belleville. And you're right in that the crew who made that awful reach are gone - it's just that the process of cleaning up their mess is going to be a long and painful one.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Im getting very drowsy

 

[Loach]

Im getting very drowsy

Very Drowsy Genius

 

[jhutter]

Just bemoaning a wasted first round pick. Sure, those happen, and no one bats 1.000 at the draft, but as an organization without a ton of prospect depth right now this one really stings. He's in the first year of a three year entry level deal so there isn't much harm in giving him another year, but I think it is fairly clear that at some point they'll need to move on from him to clear a roster spot in Belleville. And you're right in that the crew who made that awful reach are gone - it's just that the process of cleaning up their mess is going to be a long and painful one.

I'm always accused of celebrating him not panning out. It couldn't be farther from the truth. I hope every Sens prospect turns into an all-star. What bothers me about the selection is how blatantly obvious of a bad selection it was from the beginning, yet the arrogant management and scouting staff talked down on everyone who was sceptical. Combine that with the condescending fanboys telling the sceptics about his "unique toolkit" and I'm beginning to feel quite vindicated.