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News Article: Tying the Salary Cap to the Canadian Dollar Unfair

kingsholygrail said:
Why pay US dollars if you're gonna tie your budget to another currency? I don't understand that really.
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It's not tied to it but the fact that 7 teams are in Canada and make up approx 33% of the total revenue in the league. It gets tied to it because people in Canada pay with Canadian dollars. It's just an issue of being a league in 2 countries with 2 currencies.
 
KINGS17 said:
Again, Toews and Kane are OVERPAID!!

A GM would have to be out of his mind to give Getzlaf $80M over 8 years today, and Dean is out of his mind if he gives it to Kopitar.
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Based on what? They would likely have earned as much on the open market as well and it's not like they don't produce. Is it higher than what I'd have paid? Likely, but at the time those deals were signed the cap was only expected to go up and up.

And if they are overpaid, Getzlaf is likely underpaid, meaning still, Kopitar should slide into the middle at $9 - $9.5 million.

You can complain about Kane and Toews salaries all you wish, they will still be used as a target for Kopitar by him and his agent and it will likely inflate Kopitar's actually salary on his next contract, assuming that DL does not walk away altogether of course.
 
kingsfan said:
Based on what? They would likely have earned as much on the open market as well and it's not like they don't produce. Is it higher than what I'd have paid? Likely, but at the time those deals were signed the cap was only expected to go up and up.

And if they are overpaid, Getzlaf is likely underpaid, meaning still, Kopitar should slide into the middle at $9 - $9.5 million.

You can complain about Kane and Toews salaries all you wish, they will still be used as a target for Kopitar by him and his agent and it will likely inflate Kopitar's actually salary on his next contract, assuming that DL does not walk away altogether of course.
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Flour Child said:
True
The first rule of Real Estate is location location location.
The second rule is comparables, comparables, comparables.
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Third rule is don't buy a depreciating asset that is losing value at the top of the market.
 
kingsfan said:
Based on what? They would likely have earned as much on the open market as well and it's not like they don't produce. Is it higher than what I'd have paid? Likely, but at the time those deals were signed the cap was only expected to go up and up.

And if they are overpaid, Getzlaf is likely underpaid, meaning still, Kopitar should slide into the middle at $9 - $9.5 million.

You can complain about Kane and Toews salaries all you wish, they will still be used as a target for Kopitar by him and his agent and it will likely inflate Kopitar's actually salary on his next contract, assuming that DL does not walk away altogether of course.
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That's fine Kopitar's agent can point to Toews all he wants, and Dean will use Getzlaf and likely say that Kopitar is under him when it comes to regular season play. Anyone disagree with that?

I seriously doubt that Dean is going to pay up for a plus/minus on the minus side, and a 5 goal 5-on-5 performance during this regular season. After the Richards' situation I seriously doubt that Dean will be in the mood to hear, "Trust me Dean, I will work harder and do better."

Let's be honest here, Kopitar for whatever reason has floated through at least half of the games thus far during the regular season. Anyone disagree with that?

Now, how much do you want to pay for that type of performance?
 
KINGS17 said:
That's fine Kopitar's agent can point to Toews all he wants, and Dean will use Getzlaf and likely say that Kopitar is under him when it comes to regular season play. Anyone disagree with that?

I seriously doubt that Dean is going to pay up for a plus/minus on the minus side, and a 5 goal 5-on-5 performance during this regular season. After the Richards' situation I seriously doubt that Dean will be in the mood to hear, "Trust me Dean, I will work harder and do better."

Let's be honest here, Kopitar for whatever reason has floated through at least half of the games thus far during the regular season. Anyone disagree with that?

Now, how much do you want to pay for that type of performance?
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Only question you really have to ask is do you think DL will walk away from resigning Kopitar? He's resigned virtually every big name or even semi-big name guy that's set to go UFA in the past several years. Williams, Brown, Gaborik, Quick, he even extended Penner and Willie Mitchell for a year. Who is the biggest name DL has allowed to leave since say 2009? Rob Scuderi?

DL isn't resigning all of those players and then letting the best forward we have walk away, regardless of how you wish to slant his contributions to the team.
 
I think a large point that is being missed in this conversation is a large argument both Quebec and Winnipeg (part 1) made when they left was that "it was impossible to remain competitive in Canada when the value of the Canadian dollar is so low."

Now, all the recent campaigns to bring hockey teams back to Canada have been based around the idea that Canadians support hockey. Well when Winnipeg and Edmonton play in two of the three smallest buildings (and starting next season THE two smallest buildings) does it matter if they are selling out every game? I am fully expecting owners of Canadian teams to start crying poor and asking for new buildings or they are moving to US markets.
 
Chruceg said:
I think a large point that is being missed in this conversation is a large argument both Quebec and Winnipeg (part 1) made when they left was that "it was impossible to remain competitive in Canada when the value of the Canadian dollar is so low."

Now, all the recent campaigns to bring hockey teams back to Canada have been based around the idea that Canadians support hockey. Well when Winnipeg and Edmonton play in two of the three smallest buildings (and starting next season THE two smallest buildings) does it matter if they are selling out every game? I am fully expecting owners of Canadian teams to start crying poor and asking for new buildings or they are moving to US markets.
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One big difference is revenue sharing. There was none when Winnipeg and Quebec left, now weaker markets are propped up to a degree.

When the lockout occurred it wasn't just Canadian teams worrying about revenues, Nashville almost relocated too. Teams that don't have the financial resources for whatever reason are still being supported enough to make the situation bearable enough to field very competitive teams, as Nashville and Winnipeg are currently showing.
 
Deans going to offer Kopitar a fair deal. Hes not going to try to lowball him. But a fair deal isn't what Toews made, for a variety of reasons. If it took Toews contract to resign Kopitar, unless the cap suddenly shoots up significantly between now and then, Dean would be wise to let Kopitar walk, and I don't say that lightly with Kopi being my favorite King. But it wont take that much anyway to resign him.
 
KINGS17 said:
Time to take a vacation to Canada.
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It's away for Toronto to look better to players. Yes you have to deal with the stupid media but look you make more money since you are paid in US$. Right now with what the current rate is every player playing in Canada in theory isn't having to pay escrow. They are getting every dime of it back and then some on conversion.

But if the CDN$ does drop to .60 it is going to be brutal on the cap.
 
kingsfan said:
Only question you really have to ask is do you think DL will walk away from resigning Kopitar? He's resigned virtually every big name or even semi-big name guy that's set to go UFA in the past several years. Williams, Brown, Gaborik, Quick, he even extended Penner and Willie Mitchell for a year. Who is the biggest name DL has allowed to leave since say 2009? Rob Scuderi?

DL isn't resigning all of those players and then letting the best forward we have walk away, regardless of how you wish to slant his contributions to the team.
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How exactly am I slanting his contributions to the team?
 
KINGS17 said:
How exactly am I slanting his contributions to the team?
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However you wrote your post. Scroll back and read it.

My point is no matter what take you give, whether he's a plus player or a minus, whether he takes every January off or not, DL will sign him. It'd take a pretty high overpayment before DL thinks otherwise.
 
Kopitar will get a fair contract. I just hope it's not for Eight years.

I would like it more around Five or Six.
 
Kind of a random question, but given all of this Kopitar talk... is Jeff Carter a #1C?
 
kingsfan said:
However you wrote your post. Scroll back and read it.

My point is no matter what take you give, whether he's a plus player or a minus, whether he takes every January off or not, DL will sign him. It'd take a pretty high overpayment before DL thinks otherwise.
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Okay, I don't agree with you so I am "slanting" my posts.

I'm sure Lombardi will sign Kopitar as well, I just don't think it will or should be for some of the amounts that some of you think he will get. I also think that if Lombardi does blow north of $9M in cap space on Kopitar, he will regret it.

damacles1156 said:
Kopitar will get a fair contract. I just hope it's not for Eight years.

I would like it more around Five or Six.
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I would definitely be on board with a slightly higher cap hit if it was only for 5 years.

markisonfire said:
Kind of a random question, but given all of this Kopitar talk... is Jeff Carter a #1C?
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I don't think Carter is a #1 center, but I think it has pretty much been proven that for the Kings to contend with Kopitar as their #1 center, that they need a #2 center that produce offense, and a lot of it.
 
KINGS17 said:
I don't think Carter is a #1 center, but I think it has pretty much been proven that for the Kings to contend with Kopitar as their #1 center, that they need a #2 center that produce offense, and a lot of it.
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Quite silly argument if you take into consideration that Kopitar in last 8 seasons (including games in this season) outscored second best King (whoever that was in particular season) by exactly 103 points. And five different players were second best scorer on Kings in single season in last 8 years...

Just for explanation, I counted following way:

2013-14: Kopitar 70 pts, Carter 50 pts (+20);
2011-12: Kopitar 76 pts, Williams 59 pts (+17);
2009-10: Kopitar 81 pts, Doughty 59 pts (+22);

And so on...

It is quite telling that not one player on Kings (with exception of Kopitar) has reach 60 pts or more in regular season since 2007-2008 season...
 
KINGS17 said:
Okay, I don't agree with you so I am "slanting" my posts.

I'm sure Lombardi will sign Kopitar as well, I just don't think it will or should be for some of the amounts that some of you think he will get. I also think that if Lombardi does blow north of $9M in cap space on Kopitar, he will regret it.
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You can agree with me or not, I don't care. Nor did I ever say that you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me is what is slanting your post (not 'posts', I only referred to one post). If you can't notice you listed several negatives about Kopitar and not one positive in your post, then take up some reading comprehension lessons.

Additionally in your reply to my statement about you 'slanting' your post, I love how you ignored everything else to focus on that one word. Slant.

You don't want DL to sign Kopitar for $9 mill+ We get it. Rail against it all you want. It didn't stop DL from signing all the other guys and he won't stop at the teams best forward. And he won't regret signing Kopitar at $9 million to $9.5 million (the numbers I have suggested) if he doesn't regret signing Brown to his extension. It's funny how Kopitar getting $9 mill-plus is a huge red flag for some posters here when he leads the team in scoring every year and in what is arguably his worst offensive season in some time he's still on pace for 66 points (for comparisions sake, the season before signing his extension, Getzlaf had 57 points in 82 games, in a much more offensive system, so by comparision and inflation, Kopitar should get more). Yet Brown can be on pace for 31 points, which is actually an improvement on last year, and no one seems to bat an eye?

Brown is by far a worse bang for the buck. We should turn our cheek to Kopitar at $9 mill+ but Brown at $5.875 mill cap hit is ok?

You can let Kopitar walk, and with him you let our offense crumble because he is the key cog. Reference the 70's line all you want, they have done virtually **** all since the playoffs and the first month of this season. Kopitar is the cornerstone of our offense and good luck replacing him. If you happen to find someone like him in free agency, it'll cost $9 million-plus anyway to get him, and guys like that are rarely ever available for trade. The last likely was Joe Thornton a decade ago.

Kopitar has averaged 27 goals and 74 points over an 82 game season in his career and will have just turned 28 when next season begins. He has posted 60 points in 70 playoff games and in the Kings two cup runs he has 13 goals and 46 points in 46 games. He is exactly the type of guy I give $9 to $9.5 million per season to without even thinking twice about it.
 
likid said:
It is quite telling that not one player on Kings (with exception of Kopitar) has reach 60 pts or more in regular season since 2007-2008 season...
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And he's the only one on pace to break the 60 point barrier again this year as well.
 
Flour Child said:
Is that 60 points in US points or Canadian points?
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60 US because that's how the league counts it, but since Kopitar is European it's only valued at .8763, so he's really only scored 53 points because he's naturally softer re the Don Cherry theory. And then when we translate that to the Canadian version, it's really only 37 points. Thus, Anze Kopitar is worth just short of Tyler Bozak. Really simple.
 
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