Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[TeamRenzo]

My pipe dream would be trading out Norris' contract to sign Rantanen as Stu's winger.

I could see Staois making a pitch for Rantanen if he hits UFA. I doubt he signs but who knows

 

[Blotto71]

My pipe dream would be trading out Norris' contract to sign Rantanen as Stu's winger.

Matinpalo better be whispering in his ear during this tourney...

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Yes, I don’t think that concept is as difficult for folks to understand as you seem to imagine. Staois hasn’t decided to move him so far. Maybe he’s thinking that they’d stick on LTIR if Norris has another serious injury - who knows. All we know is that he hasn’t pulled the trigger which given the rumoured poor returns doesn’t seem too surprising.

It would be nice if you name the source and attach the article in question as well.

Welcome to the Sens board (might be a recycled identity) LOL.

I think we all know who loves to say "league executives are saying"

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I kinda do want to make a move for Yanni Gourde and re-sign him ngl, very strong 5on5 player that drives play.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Also, Soucy is easily better than Hamonic... cmon.

So is Matinpalo. What's your point?

Matinpalo better be whispering in his ear during this tourney...

Matinpalo better be pressing a sharp object into the bottom of his rib cage for us to have a hope of signing Rantanen

 

[Emerica]

I doubt this is true but if its the case, we should definitely look into it. Not sure we’d have the pieces to trade for him tbh.

1st round pick should probably be off the table considering we have to give one up already. If we trade it, it means we’d have made one 1st round selection in a span of 5 seasons. Not ideal i’d say

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I doubt this is true but if its the case, we should definitely look into it. Not sure we’d have the pieces to trade for him tbh.

1st round pick should probably be off the table considering we have to give one up already. If we trade it, it means we’d have made one 1st round selection in a span of 5 seasons. Not ideal i’d say

I'd probably deal a 1st for McCann, we are more or less in "win now" mode, and not to whine about it again, but our amateur scouts suck, lol, I'd rather take the 60 point guy over another sub-par prospect.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I'd probably deal a 1st for McCann, we are more or less in "win now" mode, and not to whine about it again, but our amateur scouts suck, lol, I'd rather take the 60 point guy over another sub-par prospect.

I doubt he's putting up 60 here though. He's a likely candidate of one of those guys that puts up a lot of points on a mediocre team because someone has to score the goals for them. He's not pushing anyone off PP1 here.

 

[Blotto71]

Matinpalo better be pressing a sharp object into the bottom of his rib cage for us to have a hope of signing Rantanen

Whatever it takes!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I hear you in general, but why would we want either of those players from Van. We are good on LD and Hoglander is a 5'9 Joseph making 3x3 starting next year.

We'd be better off giving Norris away for a 2nd and then signing better players / fits in UFA.

If VAN want Norris, then they are going to have to give us something we can actually use in return. Otherwise we can trade him to any team in the league.

I think VAN wants Norris just like we wanted Phaneuf.

They are going to take advantage of a limited market and we are not going to get back a piece anywhere close to what Norris brings when he isn't hurt and is playing at the top of his game.

I think that if it's true that the Senators have shopped him on and off since last TDL, that they don't want the liability of the contract. Whether right or wrong, I could see them thinking that by bringing in 2-3 NHL players for Norris that they give the team a better chance to win and also pass on the liability of his term to someone else.

Hoglander has neutral or negative value, but in all likelihood, so does Norris, that's the point. VAN will want to dump some term and money to subsidize taking Norris.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I doubt he's putting up 60 here though. He's a likely candidate of one of those guys that puts up a lot of points on a mediocre team because someone has to score the goals for them. He's not pushing anyone off PP1 here.

Thing is, Seattle runs a split powerplay a lot, and IIRC McCann was PP2 sometimes.

Here in Ottawa he'd be playing next to a true #1C in Stutzle, I think he'd do great.

 

[ottawagm]

Thing is, Seattle runs a split powerplay a lot, and IIRC McCann was PP2 sometimes.

Here in Ottawa he'd be playing next to a true #1C in Stutzle, I think he'd do great.

Something around Norris + Forsberg + 1st for McCann and Bjorkstrand or Burakovsky could work, although we seem to really want Tanev for some reason.

 

[Boud]

"League executives say the Senators would like to get centre Josh Norris and his $7.95-million salary cap hit off the books, but not many teams can take on that contract without giving Ottawa something back."

The return is getting him off the books. This isn't EA sports... this is real life. It's very possible that your organization doesn't want to pay 8M USD for someone who can't stay healthy. Reallocating that money can improve depth and flexibility.

Sometimes fans can't separate the player on-ice value and the player asset value. This is one of the occasions where the asset value is way smaller than the on-ice value due to contract and injury concerns. It's not about "oh we're giving up our second line centre for nothing", it's about creating financial flexibility and ridding yourselves of a bad contract with term to make upgrades elsewhere in the lineup. Some posters here get it - some haven't quite grasped it yet. I like the Sens btw, but it's very clear Norris and Ottawa both need fresh starts.

Also, Soucy is easily better than Hamonic... cmon.

Let’s be real here. In the scenario that was laid out Ottawa saved 4.95M a year over the following 3 seasons, are taking on a player that has 10 points on the season and that is getting healthy scratched this year. Hoglander is a straight cap dump. Soucy is irrelevant to this trade. He’s a lefty and he’s not playing over any of our left handed Dman. On the right side, if you really want to add someone then throw a mid pick to Vancouver for Soucy to come here and play on his offside… We’re talking about a player who’s also getting healthy scratched this season on a defense that is far from amazing. You can probably grab Soucy retained for a mid round pick if you want him, he’s certainly there for the taking.

Soucy is better than Hamonic? Okay sure. That doesn’t mean anything. Matinpalo is better than Hamonic. You could pick any 7th-8th D in the league and they would be better than Hamonic. Hamonic is the lowest bar you could pick.

So say you saved a big 5M a year, what are you doing with that money afterwards? Trying to replace Norris? We already need another top 6 player… and maybe 2 more with Giroux’s contract ending and his decline.

Talking about EA sports … Who do you think would choose to come to Ottawa as a free agent in a top 6 role that would sign for that amount of money? No one better than Norris that’s for sure. If Tarasenko is a 4.75M player and Perron is a 4M player, you have your answer there. Also keep in mind that the cap is going up 30M$ USD over the next 3 seasons. What impact does that have on contracts around the league do you think? Players will be getting paid more and more starting this offseason. To replace someone in your top 6 will be that more expensive now. Then if you try and make a trade for someone, what assets are you trading to get a valuable player?


Financial flexibility is only as good as what you can do with that money. Who can you acquire? Who can you sign? Who wants to come to Ottawa? Who’s available? Who fits our playing style? Who would waive their NMC? Who doesn’t have Ottawa on their no trade list? Those are the questions that are important and that remain unanswered. It’s great to assume that we are in lalaland and can sign Rantanen/Boeser or whoever you think might be available, but what are the chances of that? And more importantly, at what number can you sign your favourite player with the cap going up?

I can easily separate the value of the player on the ice to the trade value of a player. Everyone can do that. The issue here is Norris is way more valuable to Ottawa than he would be on the trade market. Not only because he’s a good player, center is a very important position, he’s young, and he’s better than anyone who would replace him but also because losing him for a cap dump makes us inherently a worse team and we would need to replace him with the savings. At which point you are either overpaying for another player on the market or trading away assets that we don’t have to acquire a replacement.

It doesn’t make any sense to trade Norris unless you can acquire a very good middle 6 player that can give you solid all around play and 40-50 points. A team trading for him would bet on his potential and the fact that he’s a young center with talent, can PK, good defensively and on faceoffs with a lethal shot. For us, we need to acquire a player that can help this team in any trade involving Norris. That player is not Nils Hoglander I’m sorry. This is a horrible trade proposal. Hoglander is a buyout candidate before his deal kicks in.

I’m not opposed at all to trade Norris and am very aware that we would not be getting a player in the same realm. A player who might be older, less talented, so on …. But that player needs to bring value to this team and needs to be a fit for the medium term. Trading Norris for a straight cap dump that’s going to be on the waiver wire soon and that has 3 more years on his deal and a defensemen that’s getting scratched is lunacy.

 

[Emerica]

Let’s be real here. In the scenario that was laid out Ottawa saved 4.95M a year over the following 3 seasons, are taking on a player that has 10 points on the season and that is getting healthy scratched this year. Hoglander is a straight cap dump. Soucy is irrelevant to this trade. He’s a lefty and he’s not playing over any of our left handed Dman. On the right side, if you really want to add someone then throw a mid pick to Vancouver for Soucy to come here and play on his offside… We’re talking about a player who’s also getting healthy scratched this season on a defense that is far from amazing. You can probably grab Soucy retained for a mid round pick if you want him, he’s certainly there for the taking.

Soucy is better than Hamonic? Okay sure. That doesn’t mean anything. Matinpalo is better than Hamonic. You could pick any 7th-8th D in the league and they would be better than Hamonic. Hamonic is the lowest bar you could pick.

So say you saved a big 5M a year, what are you doing with that money afterwards? Trying to replace Norris? We already need another top 6 player… and maybe 2 more with Giroux’s contract ending and his decline.

Talking about EA sports … Who do you think would choose to come to Ottawa as a free agent in a top 6 role that would sign for that amount of money? No one better than Norris that’s for sure. If Tarasenko is a 4.75M player and Perron is a 4M player, you have your answer there. Also keep in mind that the cap is going up 30M$ USD over the next 3 seasons. What impact does that have on contracts around the league do you think? Players will be getting paid more and more starting this offseason. To replace someone in your top 6 will be that more expensive now. Then if you try and make a trade for someone, what assets are you trading to get a valuable player?


Financial flexibility is only as good as what you can do with that money. Who can you acquire? Who can you sign? Who wants to come to Ottawa? Who’s available? Who fits our playing style? Who would waive their NMC? Who doesn’t have Ottawa on their no trade list? Those are the questions that are important and that remain unanswered. It’s great to assume that we are in lalaland and can sign Rantanen/Boeser or whoever you think might be available, but what are the chances of that? And more importantly, at what number can you sign your favourite player with the cap going up?

I can easily separate the value of the player on the ice to the trade value of a player. Everyone can do that. The issue here is Norris is way more valuable to Ottawa than he would be on the trade market. Not only because he’s a good player, center is a very important position, he’s young, and he’s better than anyone who would replace him but also because losing him for a cap dump makes us inherently a worse team and we would need to replace him with the savings. At which point you are either overpaying for another player on the market or trading away assets that we don’t have to acquire a replacement.

It doesn’t make any sense to trade Norris unless you can acquire a very good middle 6 player that can give you solid all around play and 40-50 points. A team trading for him would bet on his potential and the fact that he’s a young center with talent, can PK, good defensively and on faceoffs with a lethal shot. For us, we need to acquire a player that can help this team in any trade involving Norris. That player is not Nils Hoglander I’m sorry. This is a horrible trade proposal. Hoglander is a buyout candidate before his deal kicks in.

I’m not opposed at all to trade Norris and am very aware that we would not be getting a player in the same realm. A player who might be older, less talented, so on …. But that player needs to bring value to this team and needs to be a fit for the medium term. Trading Norris for a straight cap dump that’s going to be on the waiver wire soon and that has 3 more years on his deal and a defensemen that’s getting scratched is lunacy.

Cook that man

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Norris makes 9.5M in real dollars for the next few years, has had multiple shoulder surgeries dating back to College, and has missed time with other injuries. You can argue about whether trading him for pennies of the dollar makes us better, but there is a very logical and understandable reason to expect a small market Canadian team to want to move out the risk and liability of that contract when even without him they are already three centres deep.

I sincerely hope to be wrong, and we get actual assets back, or a legitimate player with term, but I don't see it.

 

[Boud]

Norris makes 9.5M in real dollars for the next few years, has had multiple shoulder surgeries dating back to College, and has missed time with other injuries. You can argue about whether trading him for pennies of the dollar makes us better, but there is a very logical and understandable reason to expect a small market Canadian team to want to move out the risk and liability of that contract when even without him they are already three centres deep.

I sincerely hope to be wrong, and we get actual assets back, or a legitimate player with term, but I don't see it.

Look at teams around the league. All of them are trying to acquire top 6 centers. Montreal drafted Kotkaniemi over Tkachuk for f***s sake. For how long did they try to get a center? 10 years? Boston just signed Elias Lindholm at pretty much the same AAV as Norris after he put 42 points in 75 games. This is not even a 50 point pace. They’re still in the market for a top 6 center today………

Teams are dying for good centers. Now imagine a 25 year old one who’s got all the qualities you are looking for in a 2nd line center. Even with the injuries there will be interest and there will always be teams ready to take a shot at a player like Norris, always.

Now the question has never been whether we can recuperate a player as good as Norris in a trade… but we can get more than Hoglander and Soucy I guarantee you that.

 

[Stutzlaaaa]

Lmao this is not even a debate that Vancouver proposal is a Nucks Fan dreaming to get Norris for free cause of his injuries. Norris is still a good options as 2C even if he plays only 20 games why cause yeah we actually have a Pinto and Grieg or a Hot Stu who can step when it does happen. The recent play of the team are no factor for me . What do we lack is addinf wingers on Top6 who cab make Norris and Stu better.

We never expected Norris is to be back to his 30-35 goal this season and he is doing fine in really low scoring team this year. Ottawa is not looking to trade Norris to get a rid of the contrat they are open to upgrade on him which is completly different. Why would they get rid of him if they now Pinto and Grieg still can't take a full role in the top 6.

Which GM would trade , a 11-12-13 forward + bottom 6 D for Norris (injured top 6 twoway center) Hahaha.

Look at numerous PLD trades, and other less talented centers even good 3C with high $$$ contract gets more than that shitty proposal.

Vancouver is not match anyways they dont have the poayers to help and both team want playoff now. Like said OTT wants to add and not by substraction we need depth, speed and scoring more than any thing Norris help in all those. Look for some one who can do same on the winf for cheap as a rental. No need of real hockey deal right now just rental to try a guy or two that will really gel with the group for the last push.