GDT: 'Twa Senators at Berta Flames - 9PM - TSN5/RDS - Losing Streak Flames Out in Must Win Edition

[Ice-Tray]

watching the games it looks like the players are confused. Its like they’re stuck between two systems.

The amount of times where two guys are looking at a lose puck but neither goes and gets it illustrates that they don’t really know what they should be doing now.

DJs system may have sucked, but they guys knew where they were supposed to be, but now they look like they simply don’t have the practice time to really be absorbing a new style of play.

So many loose pucks with two Sens looking at it while a Calgary player just skates in and grabs it. Just makes no sense.

We are so much better than this. It’s like we dumped a team full of guys on the ice who have never played together.

 

[SensHulk]

watching the games it looks like the players are confused. Its like they’re stuck between two systems.

The amount of times where two guys are looking at a lose puck but neither goes and gets it illustrates that they don’t really know what they should be doing now.

DJs system may have sucked, but they guys knew where they were supposed to be, but now they look like they simply don’t have the practice time to really be absorbing a new style of play.

So many loose pucks with two Sens looking at it while a Calgary player just skates in and grabs it. Just makes no sense.

We are so much better than this. It’s like we dumped a team full of guys on the ice who have never played together.

This is a pro team and I really don’t want to make excuses for them. They’ve had 10 games and a few practices in between to start understanding the new system.

That said, I think the real missed opportunity was not making the coaching change after that Florida game where we had like 5 days off to just practice the shit out of the players. Instead it was made in the middle of a road trip and there’s been no break in between save for the mandated holiday

 

[Big Muddy]

On par with Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson.

Will they be afraid to win... or will they cross over that barrier

Hmm .... OK. At one point in that 2nd period I thought I hadn't even heard them mentioning Stutzle's name, nor could I remember seeing him on the ice.

Oh well. Another loss. It's all about the tank and the draft pick now.

 

[jbeck5]

I guess my perspective is that if it’s no big deal and they will just get over it, then why do it?

No, the purpose of booing them is to make them feel bad, and vent frustrations towards the only specific organizational members that fans can.

If people want to deliberately engage in that behaviour, well, they have a venue for it at the games. I personally think it should be reserved for our hated rivals and such things, instead of our own players who know they are struggling, and are clearly also not happy.

But whatever, people always have a ton of excuses at the ready for hurtful behaviour.


No they aren’t. That’s fan fiction bullshit

How is it fan fiction bullshit?

Show me the evidence that they're trying and willing to learn...and I'll show you the evidence that they aren't. We can see who has more compelling evidence..

 

[Dionysus]

The more you look at it, the more you can see the thread.

Andlauer got ripped off lol.

All the moves that Dorion made were all flash, no substance. Everything in the organization was hollowed out. The rebuild was done on the cheap.

Moves were made with an eye to a coming sale, selling hope, saving money. Little thought for the future of the team.

A few good young players were drafted, and they developed well. Everything was pinned on them, and hope was sold for years.

The charade is over, and the real work has to start now. There is no solid foundation to build upon. And how could there be when you look at who set it up.

There is still some good pieces in Sandy, Stu, Brady, Grieg, but most of the team needs to be built from scratch.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Hmm .... OK. At one point in that 2nd period that I hadn't ever heard them mentioning Stutzle's name, nor could I remember seeing him on the ice.

Oh well. Any loss. It's all about the tank and the draft pick now.

When ever I think about the Draft and the prospect of another high pick .. I think of the premature trading of high picks in both the 2022 and 2023 drafts because "the Rebuild is Over". So discouraging. What a mess these guys were left with.

 

[Norris4Norris]

The more you look at it, the more you can see the thread.

Andlauer got ripped off lol.

All the moves that Dorion made were all flash, no substance. Everything in the organization was hollowed out. The rebuild was done on the cheap.

Moves were made with an eye to a coming sale, selling hope, saving money. Little thought for the future of the team.

A few good young players were drafted, and they developed well. Everything was pinned on them, and hope was sold for years.

The charade is over, and the real work has to start now. There is no solid foundation to build upon. And how could there be when you look at who set it up.

There is still some good pieces in Sandy, Stu, Brady, Grieg, but most of the team needs to be built from scratch.

Ya I agree.

Look at the Rangers. They have some young guys but the majority of their team is 28+ in age.

It is much better to have a balanced team then to have just the young guys with all of the pressure.

We need some good veteran players. Like maybe Stone? or Duchene? or Karlsson?

Urgghhhh

 

[Do Make Say Think]

How is it fan fiction bullshit?

Show me the evidence that they're trying and willing to learn...and I'll show you the evidence that they aren't. We can see who has more compelling evidence..

The fanfiction is thinking that booing the roster at home will help.

I'm not going to berate the boo birds but I am skeptical it would help. This roster can't take it.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The more you look at it, the more you can see the thread.

Andlauer got ripped off lol.

All the moves that Dorion made were all flash, no substance. Everything in the organization was hollowed out. The rebuild was done on the cheap.

Moves were made with an eye to a coming sale, selling hope, saving money. Little thought for the future of the team.

A few good young players were drafted, and they developed well. Everything was pinned on them, and hope was sold for years.

The charade is over, and the real work has to start now. There is no solid foundation to build upon. And how could there be when you look at who set it up.

There is still some good pieces in Sandy, Stu, Brady, Grieg, but most of the team needs to be built from scratch.

Dorion was grabbing the shiniest things in the window he could, so he could look good on the short term and try to keep his job. Doing a proper build was low on his list of priorities. It's been his method of operation since he sold the farm for Duchene.

 

[jbeck5]

The fanfiction is thinking that booing the roster at home will help.

I'm not going to berate the boo birds but I am skeptical it would help. This roster can't take it.

They haven't faced any adversity. They haven't played in important games. They haven't faced backlash from the fans or from coaches(until now)

Every time things get hard, they fold.

I don't think the solution is to coddle them or remove things that are hard.

The only way they'll learn is by fighting through it and coming back out on top after some adversity. If they can't, they aren't the players we want. They don't have a winners mentality.

You need to have the attitude like mark stone where if you don't win, it pisses you the f*** off until you do everything in your power to play winning hockey.

This will be a good test to see who we should build around and who we should ship out.

Which players are rising through the crap and which players are being babies and giving up.

 

[Big Muddy]

Traded - Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

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It's funny reading through that thread. There's always people in here that are over the top with each of these kinds of signings that react harshly to any kind of observation that appears negative to them. I remember getting that kind push back & negativity when I called the Debrincat trade a one year deal and a "maybe" on the additional year (the QO year).

 

[Do Make Say Think]

They haven't faced any adversity. They haven't played in important games. They haven't faced backlash from the fans or from coaches(until now)

Every time things get hard, they fold.

I don't think the solution is to coddle them or remove things that are hard.

The only way they'll learn is by fighting through it and coming back out on top after some adversity. If they can't, they aren't the players we want. They don't have a winners mentality.

You need to have the attitude like mark stone where if you don't win, it pisses you the f*** off until you do everything in your power to play winning hockey.

This will be a good test to see who we should build around and who we should ship out.

Which players are rising through the crap and which players are being babies and giving up.

Like I said, if you want to boo, go nuts. I don't care.

I just don't think the team will respond positively. Not right now.

 

[Relapsing]

I guess my perspective is that if it’s no big deal and they will just get over it, then why do it?

No, the purpose of booing them is to make them feel bad, and vent frustrations towards the only specific organizational members that fans can.

If people want to deliberately engage in that behaviour, well, they have a venue for it at the games. I personally think it should be reserved for our hated rivals and such things, instead of our own players who know they are struggling, and are clearly also not happy.

But whatever, people always have a ton of excuses at the ready for hurtful behaviour.


No they aren’t. That’s fan fiction bullshit

The players have the only real agency to change here - they need to find it within themselves. Fans will always react to the teams performance, positive or negative.

To put it another way, the players will either care about whether their fans are happy or they won't. I'd rather figure out now who isn't going to play for the fans. We're the consumer, they're the product, and we should be expecting and demanding better of them. I'll take fans attending and booing over not attending at all, any day of the week.

watching the games it looks like the players are confused. Its like they’re stuck between two systems.

The amount of times where two guys are looking at a lose puck but neither goes and gets it illustrates that they don’t really know what they should be doing now.

DJs system may have sucked, but they guys knew where they were supposed to be, but now they look like they simply don’t have the practice time to really be absorbing a new style of play.

So many loose pucks with two Sens looking at it while a Calgary player just skates in and grabs it. Just makes no sense.

We are so much better than this. It’s like we dumped a team full of guys on the ice who have never played together.

Idk how you watched all those games under DJ where they floundered in their own end, and come to the conclusion they understood their roles and where they needed to be on the ice.

 

[jbeck5]

Like I said, if you want to boo, go nuts. I don't care.

I just don't think the team will respond positively. Not right now.

And like I said, I'm not the one wanting to boo. It's not for me. Apathy has set in personally.

The team needs to hear the boo birds. They still think they're way better than they are. They still think they shit rainbows.

Giroux said we're a game away from winning 10 in a row.

Tkachuk is still mentioning the blues run like they're just a day away from clicking.

They're still trying to outskill the other team.

They really need to learn that they're a shit team, and the only way to get better is to buy into a 200ft structured game.

They need to think they're lucky to even be in the NHL.

You know who plays solid defensively? Those guys who are lucky to be in the NHL and know that as soon as they're weak defensively, they're going to the AHL. Guys like Rourke Chartier.

If you can get the skilled guys to reset their game to be a defense only team, and then once they're comfortable not allowing goals, let their offensive skills start to trickle in. They need to think defense first.

Right now they still play like they think they're all all stars who can coast and try only when they get the puck. They aren't prime Ovechkin. They can't do that and succeed.

Maybe boo birds will help them realize they're shit and they'll start playing like try hards defensively (like Connor brown did for us).

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The Sens are exactly like Jimmy Smith. Determined demeanour, semi cocky but is absolutely horrendous

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

The more you look at it, the more you can see the thread.

Andlauer got ripped off lol.

All the moves that Dorion made were all flash, no substance. Everything in the organization was hollowed out. The rebuild was done on the cheap.

Moves were made with an eye to a coming sale, selling hope, saving money. Little thought for the future of the team.

A few good young players were drafted, and they developed well. Everything was pinned on them, and hope was sold for years.

The charade is over, and the real work has to start now. There is no solid foundation to build upon. And how could there be when you look at who set it up.

There is still some good pieces in Sandy, Stu, Brady, Grieg, but most of the team needs to be built from scratch.

Melnyk's revenge. FYOUS really was F You's.

The media pumped up the team's future. The girls get rich.

 

[Dionysus]

Dorion was grabbing the shiniest things in the window he could, so he could look good on the short term and try to keep his job. Doing a proper build was low on his list of priorities. It's been his method of operation since he sold the farm for Duchene.

Yep. It was a classic grift. Patch everything up, slap on some new paint and sell before anyone realizes the frame is rusted and the oil hasn't been changed in years.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yep. It was a classic grift. Patch everything up, slap on some new paint and sell before anyone realizes the frame is rusted and the oil hasn't been changed in years.

It's really not that big a deal. He changed management recently, changed coaches, now his management team will assess and work on what they think the issue is. Stu @ 8 is a bargain, so is Tkachuk, so is Sanderson, Zub at 4 or whatever is great, Batherson at 5 is excellent. It's all part of buying and assessing a franchise.

 

[Dionysus]

It's really not that big a deal. He changed management recently, changed coaches, now his management team will assess and work on what they think the issue is. Stu @ 8 is a bargain, so is Tkachuk, so is Sanderson, Zub at 4 or whatever is great, Batherson at 5 is excellent. It's all part of buying and assessing a franchise.

I'm very optimistic for the future. New management with a patient approach is exactly what is needed. Some solid young players on decent contracts to build around.

I don't think that discounts the cheap rebuild that was sold to the fans as being a plan. It was haphazard at best, and more likely a mix of incompetence, penny-pinching and ego-driven shortsightedness.

There is serious work needed to re-build the organization and team from the ground up. Very excited to see it started, and interested to see what direction it takes when roster decisions start happening.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Yep. It was a classic grift. Patch everything up, slap on some new paint and sell before anyone realizes the frame is rusted and the oil hasn't been changed in years.

The worst part is that Dorion seemed to honestly believe he was doing a good job.

Incompetent and blind.

 

[mianjo]

Tkachuk -4
Norris -3
Stützle -2
Joseph -3
Greig +1
Kubalik +2
Tarasenko +1
Chychrun -3
Sanderson -3
Brannstrom 0
Bernard-Docker 0

Which of the above players do not have multi million dollar contacts????

 

[Sensinitis]

 

[Alex1234]

When ever I think about the Draft and the prospect of another high pick .. I think of the premature trading of high picks in both the 2022 and 2023 drafts because "the Rebuild is Over". So discouraging. What a mess these guys were left with.

Rebuild is over and one year later we are still 29th in the league

 

[DueDiligence]

Chabot is way better than Chychrun

Seriously? Carrying the puck yes. Passing it's even. Shooting no chance. Playing defense both below average although I give a slight nod to Chychrun.

 

[chipsens]

We need to change the mix, hate to say it but a 2021 Connor Brown, and Nick Paul would help a lot more than Tarasenko and Kubalik, and a hypothetical RH version of 2017 Methot would help a lot more than Chychrun, but I wouldn't call those swaps upgrades (except I suppose Paul in for Kubalik)

With Stü, Norris, Pinto and Greig, I could see us shopping a center along with a LHD to get that physical RHD and two way top 9 guys

We have a lot of good pieces, there should be no denying that, we just don't have the right mix.

IMO Tarasenko is part of the solution, and we should try to resign him. He's a player who plays the right way, and he tries. He should get Norris's PP time. (And swap 6 for 72 on PP point for BIG SHOT!!!)