Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - V - warning in OP

[Number8]

I don't think a .908 and 2.75 gaa is good enough in the least. He didn't have two blowout games like Andersen.

Tied for 11th out of the 16 round 1 starters in sv and 11th in gaa.

Fair enough. I'm not suggesting that Rask has been stellar -- he has not.

However, if we lose this series, I feel the lionshare of the blame has to fall on our forwards.

I cannot remember the last time I watched a series and yelled "Yes" only to shake my head in disbelief and say "how in God's green earth did that not go in?". And most of the time it was not because Anderson made some insane save. Most of the time it was our forwards were being too fine, too fancy, not strong enough on the stick, a second late, you name it.

People seem to want to make this about the goalies, but in my view its a good deal more than that.

 

[LouJersey]

Fair enough. I'm not suggesting that Rask has been stellar -- he has not.

However, if we lose this series, I feel the lionshare of the blame has to fall on our forwards.

I cannot remember the last time I watched a series and yelled "Yes" only to shake my head in disbelief and say "how in God's green earth did that not go in?". And most of the time it was not because Anderson made some insane save. Most of the time it was our forwards were being too fine, too fancy, not strong enough on the stick, a second late, you name it.

People seem to want to make this about the goalies, but in my view its a good deal more than that.

so far, agreed 1000%.

The middle six is by far the biggest disappointment, followed by the vanishing act pulled by the supposed "best line in hockey".

 

[VanIsle]

Rask is 12th in GAA and 11th in SV% no where where he needs to be these playoffs.

I agree the top line has gone dry and the middle 6 have been trash but if they lose you have to think about Rask next season, especially if he plays badly.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Rask is 12th in GAA and 11th in SV% no where where he needs to be these playoffs.

I agree the top line has gone dry and the middle 6 have been trash but if they lose you have to think about Rask next season, especially if he plays badly.

While true, the sample size is still so small that one or two goals can completely change those numbers.

 

[OldFESeides]

While true, the sample size is still so small that one or two goals can completely change those numbers.

Agreed with this here, one goal can make the difference in all of this. I'd rather look at his numbers from the season to see how he really stacks up. What irks me is if the Bruins lose tonight, everyone and their brother will be calling into 985 with pitchforks and torches in hand demanding we trade him. Which isn't the answer.

 

[BNHL]

so far, agreed 1000%.

The middle six is by far the biggest disappointment, followed by the vanishing act pulled by the supposed "best line in hockey".

Lou-Bergy's line has 29 shots and 7 hit posts in 2 games. They are dominating but cannot score.

 

[Number8]

so far, agreed 1000%.

The middle six is by far the biggest disappointment, followed by the vanishing act pulled by the supposed "best line in hockey".

Agreed. That top line is either on full burn or the gas has been disconnected for service.

Our top 7 scorers (those on team currently close to PPG) by points are:

Player	GP	G	A	Pts	Pts/Wins	Pts/Losses	Games w/ Points
Pasta	6	4	7	11	11	0	3
Krug	6	1	7	8	6	2	4
March	6	2	5	7	7	0	3
Berg	5	0	5	5	5	0	2
JDB	6	3	2	5	3	2	5
Krej	6	2	3	5	4	1	4
Kural	6	2	2	4	1	3	3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Few things leap out here.

Obviously there's a host of players not on this list -- meaning they've had minimal offensive impact.

Top line has done nothing -- emphasis on nothing -- in the three losses. Some here have said they have a huge negative +/-

Our most consistent players? JDB and Kuraly. The rookies who should be startstruck by all of this. They are showing up in wins and losses.

This team needs a massive push for 60 minutes tonight. They have to want goals more than the other team. Anything less than that will be a complete failure.

 

[LouJersey]

Lou-Bergy's line has 29 shots and 7 hit posts in 2 games. They are dominating but cannot score.

They all get paid handsomely to produce. There is no silver lining or moral victories with those guys IMO.

 

[ODAAT]

Lou-Bergy's line has 29 shots and 7 hit posts in 2 games. They are dominating but cannot score.

Have to get a bit dirty I think, cliché for sure but get bodies in front of the net, you look at those goals by our 4th liners, hardly tic tac toe plays, ugly goals, Backes only goals in the series coming with him literally in the face of Andersson

I get it that Bergy`s line is far more skill a bit less of the grind it out line but doesn`t mean they can`t do this

 

[Hali33]

Lou-Bergy's line has 29 shots and 7 hit posts in 2 games. They are dominating but cannot score.

Dominating ain’t worth **** if you are 0-0-0 and -16 collectively when the series tightens up. Hit posts are missed shots.

Results are the only thing that matters, especially in game 7.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Lou-Bergy's line has 29 shots and 7 hit posts in 2 games. They are dominating but cannot score.

Dominating ain't good enough. They have 0pt and -16 in the 3 losses. Dominating but never scoring ended well in 2014, right?

1st line better wake up and bring it tonight. They need to redeem themselves.

 

[ODAAT]

Dominating ain't good enough. They have 0pt and -16 in the 3 losses. Dominating but never scoring ended well in 2014, right?

1st line better wake up and bring it tonight. They need to redeem themselves.

Yep , keep it simple, nobody cares if the goal is a thing of beauty, just put the puck into the back of the bloody net.

That top line can learn a thing or two from the 4th who are clearly committed to keeping it simple based on the fact they don`t have that same skill set but man do they do it right

 

[NDiesel]

Rask is 12th in GAA and 11th in SV% no where where he needs to be these playoffs.

I agree the top line has gone dry and the middle 6 have been trash but if they lose you have to think about Rask next season, especially if he plays badly.

I'm one of the biggest Rask supporters here, but even I agree if he shits the bed tonight that you have consider all other options - finding a replacement who is as good will not be easy though, you either have to take a risk on a guy who had an off year, or buy high on a guy who had a really good year.

 

[ODAAT]

If the B`s came out this summer and said were making Tuukka available (and nope, not interested in doing that) I would wager the return would be significant

I get the sense listening to various shows, reading things he`s far more respected outside of Bruin land

 

[BigGoalBrad]

If the B`s came out this summer and said were making Tuukka available (and nope, not interested in doing that) I would wager the return would be significant

I get the sense listening to various shows, reading things he`s far more respected outside of Bruin land

Who was the last goalie to bring back a big return in a trade? Hasn't really happened in over a decade.

You might get a big return if you take a terrible contract to match Rasks.

This organization has its strengths and weaknesses I don't think identifying goalies is a strength. Too risky. Hes here for the duration of that contract and we have a top 5/10 guy for the going rate.

 

[ODAAT]

Who was the last goalie to bring back a big return in a trade? Hasn't really happened in over a decade.

You might get a big return if you take a terrible contract to match Rasks.

This organization has its strengths and weaknesses I don't think identifying goalies is a strength. Too risky. Hes here for the duration of that contract and we have a top 5/10 guy for the going rate.

For teams looking to add a true #1, Devs paid the Nucks a top 10 pick (IMO that`s significant), and have you forgotten the Jones trade to the Sharkies? First round pick (Frederic) and a kid named Kuraly

Those are "significant" in building an organization IMO, I didn`t say "big" as in a star player was coming back

 

[BNHL]

Dominating ain't good enough. They have 0pt and -16 in the 3 losses. Dominating but never scoring ended well in 2014, right?

1st line better wake up and bring it tonight. They need to redeem themselves.

It's almost the same thing,except Krejci's line was in on the 19 posts. I have a hard time criticizing the Bergeron line when Krejci's is neither putting any pressure on or scoring.

 

[BNHL]

Yep , keep it simple, nobody cares if the goal is a thing of beauty, just put the puck into the back of the bloody net.

That top line can learn a thing or two from the 4th who are clearly committed to keeping it simple based on the fact they don`t have that same skill set but man do they do it right

And still Cassidy gives them 9 minutes each.

 

[BNHL]

Dominating ain’t worth **** if you are 0-0-0 and -16 collectively when the series tightens up. Hit posts are missed shots.

Results are the only thing that matters, especially in game 7.

Personally,I don't care about the +-,at all. They are getting the lion's share of chances of anyone on both teams,but are not converting. Let's not let +- muddy the picture,that's for people who aren't watching.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

It's almost the same thing,except Krejci's line was in on the 19 posts. I have a hard time criticizing the Bergeron line when Krejci's is neither putting any pressure on or scoring.

Like I said, my problem with the Bergy line is not that they are not scoring, it's that they are not scoring AND they are getting scored on by a line centered by friggin Plekanec.

To get back on the topic of the thread, I will say this:

Rask has never lost a game 7 in his career against the Leafs. He'll remain unbeaten after tonight, thanks to the 1st line that will finally wake up.

 

[BNHL]

Like I said, my problem with the Bergy line is not that they are not scoring, it's that they are not scoring AND they are getting scored on by a line centered by friggin Plekanec.

To get back on the topic of the thread, I will say this:

Rask has never lost a game 7 in his career against the Leafs. He'll remain unbeaten after tonight, thanks to the 1st line that will finally wake up.

I don't know what Krejci's line is doing to avoid harsher criticism. Bergeron's line shouldn't change one damn thing,except converting.

 

[Hali33]

Personally,I don't care about the +-,at all. They are getting the lion's share of chances of anyone on both teams,but are not converting. Let's not let +- muddy the picture,that's for people who aren't watching.

The “not converting” part matters. Especially when they are now getting scored on.

 

[bruins repeat time]

Rask is 12th in GAA and 11th in SV% no where where he needs to be these playoffs.

I agree the top line has gone dry and the middle 6 have been trash but if they lose you have to think about Rask next season, especially if he plays badly.

My eye test says he won game 4 and as far as weak goals go they are at basically zero. Marleau his 2nd of game has been the weakest goal and I cant even call that terrible . Obviously Andersen has the big saves but if Rask gave up Mcquaids goal or Chara I would call them super weak. I would have obviously liked some big saves in game 5 that he didn't deliver but same old crap---he hasn't been a problem at all unless you are simply looking at scores and stats .

 

[bruins repeat time]

The “not converting” part matters. Especially when they are now getting scored on.

Agree in the O zone I can find some fault with marchy and pasta in the d-zone plus way way too long at changing at times . The puck ends up going the other way and they 70 percent it back because they are gassed.

 

[CheerstoBeers]

The “not converting” part matters. Especially when they are now getting scored on.

I don't understand how they are getting scored on now so easily when they gave up what, only a handful or less of goals against in the regular season. Weren't they fairly deep into the season and had yet to give up a goal 5 v 5 ??