Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part III - MOD WARNING 671

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Would be an eye opening experiment to follow some folks around their work place for 6 months to monitor performance while on the job. It's ratified air to be able to deliver peak performance every day you clock in. Wonder how co-workers and employers would react to having free reign to provide critical published feedback on how they rate that individuals effort day to day?

Also overlooked with Rask is how many games he delivered wins early in the season when the bruins struggled to get out of their own way. Classic "what have you done for me lately" short term critique.

This is comparing Apples to Steaks.

 

[EverettMike]

This is comparing Apples to Steaks.

Both food.

More like apples to trains.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Both food.

More like apples to trains.

I stand corrected

 

[LouJersey]

Would be an eye opening experiment to follow some folks around their work place for 6 months to monitor performance while on the job. It's ratified air to be able to deliver peak performance every day you clock in. Wonder how co-workers and employers would react to having free reign to provide critical published feedback on how they rate that individuals effort day to day?

Also overlooked with Rask is how many games he delivered wins early in the season when the bruins struggled to get out of their own way. Classic "what have you done for me lately" short term critique.

Rask has worked a total of 167 hours in three years.

I'm sorry but I will expect him to give and be his best in every one of them.

I'm not seeing anyone say Rask is a bum. Rask sucks. I'm seeing people question his ability to play hurt/sick in big spots. That's merely questioning his willingness to compete at times. That's it. Most people gave him a pass last year. I have zero issue with people scratching their head this time.

Also it's undeniable his on ice performance has decreased the past two seasons. For whatever reason he's just not as good as he was.

That being said I'm pretty sure 99% of people here could see Tuukka Rask lifting the Cup. He's certainly capable. We just haven't seen on a consistent basis in a while.

 

[BMC]

Rask definitely hasn't proven the naysayers wrong with his play the last two games. You don't disappear for months and make it go away in two games. The truth is we don't know what kept him out, but that was just the tipping point for a lot of fans already frustrated with his season. And it wasn't the first time it happened and there hasn't been years since the last time. All that being said, Rask has the talent to be the goalie we need but he has plenty of proving to do still, and nobody doesn't want this, they just aren't going to be convinced he's the right goalie for this team because for a two game stretch he shows how good he can be on a nightly basis.

I don't think Tuukka is giving everything he has every night out there, I think he gets frustrated with the lack of support in front of him and the lack of support in a backup the last couple of years. How many nights did it seem like the team was just letting Rask determine whether or not they win the game failing to support him with scoring. Rask may be the one that benefits the most from the coaching change, the mindset of the team is different since Cassidy took over.

This is where I am with Rask. I don't have any confidence left in him. Something is going on with him and IMOit is a mental thing. He needs to get it straightened out not just for the team's sake but his own.

 

[LouJersey]

Rask definitely hasn't proven the naysayers wrong with his play the last two games. You don't disappear for months and make it go away in two games. The truth is we don't know what kept him out, but that was just the tipping point for a lot of fans already frustrated with his season. And it wasn't the first time it happened and there hasn't been years since the last time. All that being said, Rask has the talent to be the goalie we need but he has plenty of proving to do still, and nobody doesn't want this, they just aren't going to be convinced he's the right goalie for this team because for a two game stretch he shows how good he can be on a nightly basis.

I don't think Tuukka is giving everything he has every night out there, I think he gets frustrated with the lack of support in front of him and the lack of support in a backup the last couple of years. How many nights did it seem like the team was just letting Rask determine whether or not they win the game failing to support him with scoring. Rask may be the one that benefits the most from the coaching change, the mindset of the team is different since Cassidy took over.

Rask is on the right track. I think way to much of this is just personal opinion without much fact. All Tuukka needs to do is show up, play to the best of his abilities and the Bruins management will be fine. IMO they lose that game last night with Dobby in there. Rask was as calm and cool as I have seen him in recent memory.

 

[Dr Hook]

This is where I am with Rask. I don't have any confidence left in him. Something is going on with him and IMOit is a mental thing. He needs to get it straightened out not just for the team's sake but his own.

Something is going on with him, I agree. I incline to believing it is physical, but physical ailments can easily, and often do, affect the mental. I am sure the team knows what's going on with him and if it was just a bad case of the yips, I don't think they'd be starting him as much. It's all speculative for us, though, isn't it. As much as I love Tuuka, I do admit to wondering which Rask is going to show up on a given night before the puck is dropped.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Isn't it common knowledge that Rask suffers from migraines? He's had an ongoing LBI this year too.

Also (I'm in Mexico the past week and only caught 1 game in a sports bar) but didn't Dobbie sit out a game with an illness recently? My internet is super spotty at the beach but just imagine the outrage --Dobs only plays a dozen games a year and STILL has the nerve to sit out a game!!!!! And how convenient if it was only 1 game and he magically came back!

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

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That being said I'm pretty sure 99% of people here could WANT TO see Tuukka Rask lifting the Cup. He's certainly capable. We just haven't seen on a consistent basis in a while.

Fixed this statement.

I think any player is capable of rising above, so in theory they all "could". But here, we all WANT him to. Many just have doubts if we'll actually see if happen.

Of the recent years 10 years, the Bruins seemed to have strived when people thought they couldn't. And they excelled. vs. when people expected them to, and they failed.

 

[CombatOnContact]

Tuukka has gotten the job done lately. In my opinion, he deserved all the criticism that he got, prior to the recent stretch. But I'm really happy with how he's responded. Maybe it lit a fire.. Maybe he got the rest he needed to rejuvenate.

I was one of the angry ones suggesting to ride Dobby, but it's pretty obvious and makes the absolute most sense that this team lives and dies with Tuukka.

 

[Hali33]

Nice to see him dialed in and playing the way he's capable.

This is the guy we should be getting most games. He's capable of doing a lot behind a flawed team, that's why he doesn't need his hand held when he's letting in a questionable goal every other game.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Rask lovers are to funny

I find it rather cowardly and foolish that you come on to a thread to antagonize those who support a player after he puts together two great games. As if you're still out here to prove he sucks, no matter the circumstance. You're no different than someone who turns a blind eye to Rask's faults and praises him unconditionally.

"Too funny"

 

[NDiesel]

Isn't it common knowledge that Rask suffers from migraines? He's had an ongoing LBI this year too.

Also (I'm in Mexico the past week and only caught 1 game in a sports bar) but didn't Dobbie sit out a game with an illness recently? My internet is super spotty at the beach but just imagine the outrage --Dobs only plays a dozen games a year and STILL has the nerve to sit out a game!!!!! And how convenient if it was only 1 game and he magically came back!

I know it's crazy that he somehow came back after missing a game. It's as if illnesses only last a day or two most of the time.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

This is comparing Apples to Steaks.

On the surface perhaps, but is it really? Issues of employment are common for both.

- qualificated for holding a position.
- part of team environments (for the majority)
- under an employment contract (formally or informally)
- pay is consistent with an individual qualifications and in line with industry standards
- measurement/performance metrics in place for both
- both can be terminated with little or no warning
- etc.

The main difference is ones performance is open to public examination on a day by day/game basis and the other is not. Matters not if you operate a cash register in a fast food restaurant or are at a CEO level, the basic terms or employment are very similar. The underlying point of the post is valid in my view. Again, nobody performs at the top of their game every day. One just gets ripped pubiclally when they have an off day. It just get conviently overlooked when venting. Just one opinion.

 

[Daishi]

I'm not seeing anyone say Rask is a bum. Rask sucks.

You're not? You need to open your eyes. Those exact phrases have been posted at this very forum this week. And those who didn't say it out loud, went with the usual sarcastic schtick.

Or were you just trying to prove a point and defend the hater crowd? Well, you didn't. Plenty of people called him a bum and demanded him be traded this summer (for anything).

As far as that 167 hours of work is concerned, you must be joking, right? Traveling with the team, practicing once or twice a day on the ice, sitting in meetings, watching tape, and following a rigorous training regime during summers isn't working? What on earth is it then? I guess the players can skip all that if it's not work related?

And lastly as far as 'defending a Bruins player' being funny is concerned, I find that statement ironic. This board is for Bruins fans. I know that's hard to grasp, considering only about half of the posters here are actual fans, and the rest are just posting out of some sick habit.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

On the surface perhaps, but is it really? Issues of employment are common for both.

- qualificated for holding a position.
- part of team environments (for the majority)
- under an employment contract (formally or informally)
- pay is consistent with an individual qualifications and in line with industry standards
- measurement/performance metrics in place for both
- both can be terminated with little or no warning
- etc.

The main difference is ones performance is open to public examination on a day by day/game basis and the other is not. Matters not if you operate a cash register in a fast food restaurant or are at a CEO level, the basic terms or employment are very similar. The underlying point of the post is valid in my view. Again, nobody performs at the top of their game every day. One just gets ripped pubiclally when they have an off day. It just get conviently overlooked when venting. Just one opinion.

Yes, without a doubt and unequivocally. No cashier is having the general public buy tickets to watch them work and have the media ask them how they felt during that 15th ring up when they had to break a hundred.

Or here is a simpler explanation.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

You're not? You need to open your eyes. Those exact phrases have been posted at this very forum this week. And those who didn't say it out loud, went with the usual sarcastic schtick.

Or were you just trying to prove a point and defend the hater crowd? Well, you didn't. Plenty of people called him a bum and demanded him be traded this summer (for anything).

As far as that 167 hours of work is concerned, you must be joking, right? Traveling with the team, practicing once or twice a day on the ice, sitting in meetings, watching tape, and following a rigorous training regime during summers isn't working? What on earth is it then?

You need to provide proof of this considering you have been mostly just attacking other posters in this thread than speaking about Rask.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Why is it Rask Lover or Rask Hater?

Can't we all just want to have good goaltending and call it a day?

PS. It's ok to criticize the things you like. Or the people you want to do better. It's also ok to praise them when they do well. You can do either or both, and no one needs to prove their allegiance. Bruins win, we are all ok with that, right?

That said, Bruins as a cohesive unit (Rask / goalies included), just need to keep playing like the last 2 games, and we should be ok.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Why is it Rask Lover or Rask Hater?

Can't we all just want to have good goaltending and call it a day?

PS. It's ok to criticize the things you like. Or the people you want to do better. It's also ok to praise them when they do well. You can do either or both, and no one needs to prove their allegiance. Bruins win, we are all ok with that, right?

That said, Bruins as a cohesive unit (Rask / goalies included), just need to keep playing like the last 2 games, and we should be ok.

Denzel Washington is one of the best actors in the last 30 years. But man has he made some really crap movies during that span as well. I must be a hater of him.

 

[Daishi]

You need to provide proof of this considering you have been mostly just attacking other posters in this thread than speaking about Rask.

I haven't attacked posters. I've called out the people who went out with their reputation in overly attacking one of our players. They embarassed themselves, and some continue to do so.

There's nothing to discuss about Rask that we don't already know. He himself said nothing changed in his game after the Lightning game. Absolutely nothing. He's unfazed by any controversy that surrounds him. If he has a lingering injury, he's not willing to use it as an excuse and throw it out there. He's rock solid and our best option now and in the future. What I will discuss is reply to fallacious statements made by others.

 

[CDJ]

Contrary to some, I never once said I thought nothing was wrong, just that but reading between the lines I do think Cassidy's comments around the Islanders game said a lot, that maybe this wasn't something that he should have sat out with.

I think now he's trying to have his guy's back after kinda challenging him a little and giving very passive commentary before that seemed to indicate this was on Tuukka. They don't run the team in a vacuum, they knew the questions that were out there, and Cassidy didn't stand up for him.

Sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass. I'm glad he's playing well, since I think he is the only shot they have at being competitive if they play Washington, but that doesn't change my criticism of him thus far. He's been terrible in 2017. Not a "narrative," just reality, and after three big tap outs in only a few years I'm skeptical. I wasn't last year when he missed the Ottawa game, or when he banged out of that Olympic game. But three times? Yeah, I'm skeptical now.

If we didn't think he had supreme talent we wouldn't expect so much from him.

Heeeey, while I was writing this Bob Beers came on the radio and said all of the questions surrounding him and the Islanders game was fair. He also said whatever is wrong with Tuukka only he knows it, that no one knows what the injury could actually be.

Very interesting comments from known Rask hater Bob Beers. (Sarcasm people.)

Now re-read that last point you attributed to Beers

"No one knows what the injury could actually be" other than him

And yet here we are, criticizing him for a situation we know nothing about

Literally been my point the entire time.

And again, rasks play since getting some time to rest up what was nagging him has kind of validated the decision for him to sit. An extra couple days can do wonders this late in the year

 

[Daishi]

Denzel Washington is one of the best actors in the last 30 years. But man has he made some really crap movies during that span as well. I must be a hater of him.

What you could do is call Denzel some of this stuff: Absolute trash. No balls. Mental midget. Mentally weak. Quitter and a faker. Heartless bag of ****. Comically bad. In need of psychiatric help. You could also tell him to **** off, and that he sucks ass. Maybe, just maybe, you might be labeled a hater after that, though, just like the anti-Rask crowd, since there's very little actual criticism there, and a lot of insults against the person.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

What you could do is call Denzel some of this stuff: Absolute trash. No balls. Mental midget. Mentally weak. Quitter and a faker. Heartless bag of ****. Comically bad. In need of psychiatric help. You could also tell him to **** off, and that he sucks ass. Maybe, just maybe, you might be labeled a hater after that, though, just like the anti-Rask crowd, since there's very little actual criticism there, and a lot of insults against the person.

Do you need a hug?

 

[EverettMike]

Now re-read that last point you attributed to Beers

"No one knows what the injury could actually be" other than him

And yet here we are, criticizing him for a situation we know nothing about

Literally been my point the entire time.

And again, rasks play since getting some time to rest up what was nagging him has kind of validated the decision for him to sit. An extra couple days can do wonders this late in the year

How about the part where Beers said the questions surrounding him were fair?

You've taken issue with anyone questioning him. Is Beers a hater?

I haven't attacked posters.

That has to be the funniest thing you've said yet.

I've called out the people who went out with their reputation in overly attacking one of our players.

Never mind. That's funnier.

 

[CDJ]

How about the part where Beers said the questions surrounding him were fair?

You've taken issue with anyone questioning him. Is Beers a hater?



That has to be the funniest thing you've said yet.



Never mind. That's funnier.

I've taken issue with people criticizing him for missing that islanders game. Beers himself says he has no idea what's going on. He's not going out of his way to trash his character. It's WAY more than questioning what has transpired here over the last week