Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part III - MOD WARNING 671

[JOKER 192]

Mmmm yes let the substance continue to flow from your posts while I stand here wafting in victory

Keep going.......................

 

[CDJ]

Can I be honest for a sec guys? Idk what wafting means, I took it from the scene in goldmember where fat ******* was cooking in his own farts.

Idk that's the last thing I have to add.


Other than Tuukka Rask has no problem playing in big games and that maybe just maybe he was sick and injured. But that's just not as fun for the people who always have to *****...

 

[JOKER 192]

Goodnight

 

[finchster]

Until Rask win's it all, there will always be questions about his mental toughness or his abilities. That's the nature of being a goalie in the NHL. It happens to almost every single goalie.

 

[bobbyorr04]

Rask lovers are to funny

What's funny to me, is that there can be only Rask lovers or Rask haters on HF boards.........NO in between!!!

No category for a disappointed Bruin's fan voicing his displeasure when his favorite team's $7 million, #1 goaltender was under-performing to his capabilities just a few games ago.

...you can either be a Rask supporter and/or lover regardless of his performance, or you're a Rask hater if you don't praise him every game (regardless of his performance)....

...that's what's funny to me!

 

[HumBucker]

I don't believe in coincidences HumBucker.
A pattern of not being able to go when the stakes are high is developing whether due to illness or injury, whether physical or mental. Maybe both.

As for your last paragraph why should I be any different than anyone else on this board?

And yet, coincidences do happen. You're seeing "a pattern" only because you're choosing to look at only a small set a data that are skewed to confirm such a pattern.

The stakes are high right now, they've been high for the past few games, and they'll continue to be high going forward. If your theory was true, he'd have reported a serious injury three games ago and he'd be "on IR" now, resting his scaredy-cat self while the team battles for a playoff spot. That's not the case.

Total fiction driven by overactive imaginations.

Here's a theory: Adam McQuaid is a chicken. When the game matters, he blocks shots only so he can act injured and get out of the game, but the medical staff keeps patching him up. There's evidence! There's a pattern! We've all seen it!

There's as much evidence for this theory as there is for the "Tuukka tapping out" theory. And both are equally credible.

 

[HumBucker]

Until Rask win's it all, there will always be questions about his mental toughness or his abilities. That's the nature of being a goalie in the NHL. It happens to almost every single goalie.

"We'll never go all the way with Tim Thomas in net."

 

[CDJ]

What's funny to me, is that there can be only Rask lovers or Rask haters on HF boards.........NO in between!!!

No category for a disappointed Bruin's fan voicing his displeasure when his favorite team's $7 million, #1 goaltender was under-performing to his capabilities just a few games ago.

...you can either be a Rask supporter and/or lover regardless of his performance, or you're a Rask hater if you don't praise him every game (regardless of his performance)....

...that's what's funny to me!

And I haven't been critical of people who bashed his performance prior to the past couple of games. It was completely deserved, he's been **** in 2017

It's when they attack his character saying he's scared of the moment or gives up on the team using evidence of situations they know nothing about without applying any logic that this is a guy who has played at a high level deep into the playoffs before.

Some People saw he was playing poorly and when he asked for a game off in game 75 with a tough schedule on the horizon to heal up a bit their first reaction was outrage....that's insanity to me. Absolute insanity. The guy is clearly struggling and they want him going out there physically compromised.

Let me ask you this- if the game was so big why do some people still cry about the struggling, injured goalie not playing in it? Why tf would you want that in a big spot?

Anyway I've said it before, I think his play the last two games after the needed game off more than validates the decision. Maybe these guys know more about themselves than we do, it's a wild concept that might take some time for some to get used to

 

[CashMash]

Keep going, Rask.

 

[Tampbear]

This is just great. Just a day ago I was told here that me suggesting you'd be happy if Rask flopped in these games and the Bruins missed the playoffs was a laughable suggestion, considering you are Bruins fans. You should try to hide your bitter disappointment better.

You do know you look like an ass now, don't you? I told you and a few others after the Tampa game that when Rask gets back to form you should leave town and never come back. That's what you should do. Because now we all know you're just rooting for him to fail every game. That's what it'll take for you to save face, and that makes you the the thing you desperately tried to claim you aren't, a hater.

Fact is you're not in the know, and you're not a doctor. You don't even seem to know very much about hockey or hockey related injuries, and you know absolutely nothing about being a goaltender. Yet you keep spouting your false narratives and hoping someone believes you. Just stop. Do what your buddies did, hide in some dark dank corner, stay away from the boards for a while, and come back after the playoffs with some I told you so's. That'll make you feel good again.

Rask definitely hasn't proven the naysayers wrong with his play the last two games. You don't disappear for months and make it go away in two games. The truth is we don't know what kept him out, but that was just the tipping point for a lot of fans already frustrated with his season. And it wasn't the first time it happened and there hasn't been years since the last time. All that being said, Rask has the talent to be the goalie we need but he has plenty of proving to do still, and nobody doesn't want this, they just aren't going to be convinced he's the right goalie for this team because for a two game stretch he shows how good he can be on a nightly basis.

I don't think Tuukka is giving everything he has every night out there, I think he gets frustrated with the lack of support in front of him and the lack of support in a backup the last couple of years. How many nights did it seem like the team was just letting Rask determine whether or not they win the game failing to support him with scoring. Rask may be the one that benefits the most from the coaching change, the mindset of the team is different since Cassidy took over.

 

[EverettMike]

This is just great. Just a day ago I was told here that me suggesting you'd be happy if Rask flopped in these games and the Bruins missed the playoffs was a laughable suggestion, considering you are Bruins fans. You should try to hide your bitter disappointment better.

You do know you look like an ass now, don't you? I told you and a few others after the Tampa game that when Rask gets back to form you should leave town and never come back. That's what you should do. Because now we all know you're just rooting for him to fail every game. That's what it'll take for you to save face, and that makes you the the thing you desperately tried to claim you aren't, a hater.

Fact is you're not in the know, and you're not a doctor. You don't even seem to know very much about hockey or hockey related injuries, and you know absolutely nothing about being a goaltender. Yet you keep spouting your false narratives and hoping someone believes you. Just stop. Do what your buddies did, hide in some dark dank corner, stay away from the boards for a while, and come back after the playoffs with some I told you so's. That'll make you feel good again.

Buddy, reading comprehension is a ***** I know, but if you took that post to be about wanting Rask to fail and not about an obnoxious guy who has been consistently wrong for three years, i don't know what to tell you.

 

[member 96824]

This is just great. Just a day ago I was told here that me suggesting you'd be happy if Rask flopped in these games and the Bruins missed the playoffs was a laughable suggestion, considering you are Bruins fans. You should try to hide your bitter disappointment better.

You do know you look like an ass now, don't you? I told you and a few others after the Tampa game that when Rask gets back to form you should leave town and never come back. That's what you should do. Because now we all know you're just rooting for him to fail every game. That's what it'll take for you to save face, and that makes you the the thing you desperately tried to claim you aren't, a hater.

Fact is you're not in the know, and you're not a doctor. You don't even seem to know very much about hockey or hockey related injuries, and you know absolutely nothing about being a goaltender. Yet you keep spouting your false narratives and hoping someone believes you. Just stop. Do what your buddies did, hide in some dark dank corner, stay away from the boards for a while, and come back after the playoffs with some I told you so's. That'll make you feel good again.

I think someone said it best a couple of pages ago..

Don't act like posting here is meaningless to you. It's pretty clear you're emotionally very invested in all this. And you're one of those guys who love to be right. Your last ten posts are childish attempts at defending yourself and taking mock offense.

Just let it go guy. Some actually come to HF to read about hockey and have no interest in your personal grudge.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

I'm glad I was one of the few that said to go back with Rask.

People really voted to give the net to Dobby? Really?

Rask says: eat that.

 

[Gee Wally]

“I have a tough time believing we won’t use both of them this weekend,†said Cassidy, referring to Rask and backup Anton Khudobin, the latter of whom has won four of his last five starts. “But I don’t want to paint myself in a corner. I just believe they will both see the crease this weekend.â€

Cassidy did not dismiss the idea of having Rask skip the Florida game and fly to Chicago ahead of the team, likely after Friday’s workout. In theory, it would allow the 30-year-old tender added rest ahead of the Blackhawks matchup.

“I guess if that was his start, management would have to make that decision,’’ said Cassidy, the Bruins then needing to recall one of their AHL tenders. “On the flip side, if he’s not going to play [in Chicago], would we leave him behind? So there is always that part of it, too. I am sure those things will be open to discussion. If he is 100 percent healthy, I don’t know that you need to do either, but . . . there’s an idea, we’ll run it by the boss.â€

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/03/30/bnotes/uJSjeTSJ4omEDAwNaevN2O/story.html

 

[EverettMike]

“I have a tough time believing we won’t use both of them this weekend,†said Cassidy, referring to Rask and backup Anton Khudobin, the latter of whom has won four of his last five starts. “But I don’t want to paint myself in a corner. I just believe they will both see the crease this weekend.â€

Cassidy did not dismiss the idea of having Rask skip the Florida game and fly to Chicago ahead of the team, likely after Friday’s workout. In theory, it would allow the 30-year-old tender added rest ahead of the Blackhawks matchup.

“I guess if that was his start, management would have to make that decision,’’ said Cassidy, the Bruins then needing to recall one of their AHL tenders. “On the flip side, if he’s not going to play [in Chicago], would we leave him behind? So there is always that part of it, too. I am sure those things will be open to discussion. If he is 100 percent healthy, I don’t know that you need to do either, but . . . there’s an idea, we’ll run it by the boss.â€

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/03/30/bnotes/uJSjeTSJ4omEDAwNaevN2O/story.html

Don't love the idea of not having him on the bench if Dobby gets hurt in-game, but makes sense to sit him one of those two. Possibly the last chance you'll have (unless they lock in to a spot before the end of the season).

 

[CashMash]

I'm glad I was one of the few that said to go back with Rask.

People really voted to give the net to Dobby? Really?

Rask says: eat that.

Every time I lose faith in Rask, he comes back to give a some hope again...problem is, he seemingly can't keep it up.

Disagree with those who say he isn't elite, though. He absolutely has the talent. I am not a psychologist, and even if I were, having not seen him personally, I could not make a comment as to his temperament when things get tight...None of us can.

In the right conditions, he can win a cup in my mind, though...

 

[Gee Wally]

Don't love the idea of not having him on the bench if Dobby gets hurt in-game, but makes sense to sit him one of those two. Possibly the last chance you'll have (unless they lock in to a spot before the end of the season).

2 things here have at least piqued my curiosity:

“He’s feeling good,†noted coach Bruce Cassidy, his club 14-7-0 since in his 21 games as interim coach prior to the match vs. the Stars. “I thought he was terrific on Tuesday [4-1 win over Nashville]. He had some heavy moments in terms of workload around the net, he was getting bumped . . . and he got through it fine, battled through it, feels healthy and good, so he’ll go in.â€

and

. If he is 100 percent healthy, I don’t know that you need to do either, but . . .

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/03/30/bnotes/uJSjeTSJ4omEDAwNaevN2O/story.html

seems like something going on or has been going on to me.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I think someone said it best a couple of pages ago..



Just let it go guy. Some actually come to HF to read about hockey and have no interest in your personal grudge.

Amen.

This thread is about Rask. Not EverettMike

 

[EverettMike]

2 things here have at least piqued my curiosity:

“He’s feeling good,†noted coach Bruce Cassidy, his club 14-7-0 since in his 21 games as interim coach prior to the match vs. the Stars. “I thought he was terrific on Tuesday [4-1 win over Nashville]. He had some heavy moments in terms of workload around the net, he was getting bumped . . . and he got through it fine, battled through it, feels healthy and good, so he’ll go in.â€

and

. If he is 100 percent healthy, I don’t know that you need to do either, but . . .

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/03/30/bnotes/uJSjeTSJ4omEDAwNaevN2O/story.html

seems like something going on or has been going on to me.

Contrary to some, I never once said I thought nothing was wrong, just that but reading between the lines I do think Cassidy's comments around the Islanders game said a lot, that maybe this wasn't something that he should have sat out with.

I think now he's trying to have his guy's back after kinda challenging him a little and giving very passive commentary before that seemed to indicate this was on Tuukka. They don't run the team in a vacuum, they knew the questions that were out there, and Cassidy didn't stand up for him.

Sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass. I'm glad he's playing well, since I think he is the only shot they have at being competitive if they play Washington, but that doesn't change my criticism of him thus far. He's been terrible in 2017. Not a "narrative," just reality, and after three big tap outs in only a few years I'm skeptical. I wasn't last year when he missed the Ottawa game, or when he banged out of that Olympic game. But three times? Yeah, I'm skeptical now.

If we didn't think he had supreme talent we wouldn't expect so much from him.

Heeeey, while I was writing this Bob Beers came on the radio and said all of the questions surrounding him and the Islanders game was fair. He also said whatever is wrong with Tuukka only he knows it, that no one knows what the injury could actually be.

Very interesting comments from known Rask hater Bob Beers. (Sarcasm people.)

 

[Gee Wally]

Contrary to some, I never once said I thought nothing was wrong, just that but reading between the lines I do think Cassidy's comments around the Islanders game said a lot, that maybe this wasn't something that he should have sat out with.

I think now he's trying to have his guy's back after kinda challenging him a little and giving very passive commentary before that seemed to indicate this was on Tuukka. They don't run the team in a vacuum, they knew the questions that were out there, and Cassidy didn't stand up for him.

Sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass. I'm glad he's playing well, since I think he is the only shot they have at being competitive if they play Washington, but that doesn't change my criticism of him thus far. He's been terrible in 2017. Not a "narrative," just reality, and after three big tap outs in only a few years I'm skeptical. I wasn't last year when he missed the Ottawa game, or when he banged out of that Olympic game. But three times? Yeah, I'm skeptical now.

If we didn't think he had supreme talent we wouldn't expect so much from him.

Heeeey, while I was writing this Bob Beers came on the radio and said all of the questions surrounding him and the Islanders game was fair. He also said whatever is wrong with Tuukka only he knows it, that no one knows what the injury could actually be.

Very interesting comments from known Rask hater Bob Beers. (Sarcasm people.)

Good points. Who knows? Maybe he's a baseball player in a hockey players body.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Contrary to some, I never once said I thought nothing was wrong, just that but reading between the lines I do think Cassidy's comments around the Islanders game said a lot, that maybe this wasn't something that he should have sat out with.

I think now he's trying to have his guy's back after kinda challenging him a little and giving very passive commentary before that seemed to indicate this was on Tuukka. They don't run the team in a vacuum, they knew the questions that were out there, and Cassidy didn't stand up for him.

Sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass. I'm glad he's playing well, since I think he is the only shot they have at being competitive if they play Washington, but that doesn't change my criticism of him thus far. He's been terrible in 2017. Not a "narrative," just reality, and after three big tap outs in only a few years I'm skeptical. I wasn't last year when he missed the Ottawa game, or when he banged out of that Olympic game. But three times? Yeah, I'm skeptical now.

If we didn't think he had supreme talent we wouldn't expect so much from him.

Heeeey, while I was writing this Bob Beers came on the radio and said all of the questions surrounding him and the Islanders game was fair. He also said whatever is wrong with Tuukka only he knows it, that no one knows what the injury could actually be.

Very interesting comments from known Rask hater Bob Beers. (Sarcasm people.)

I guess I would be characterized as a Rask Lover, but agree with most of what you said. He needs to be better for the B's to have any chance and also to justify his salary.

I just can't get on board with all the amateur psychologists here and their rampant speculation about his mental toughness. I believe he has something that's been physically bothering him for awhile now. He was very good earlier in the season and then the wheels came off a bit, so a physical problem makes sense.

He could just be one of those guys like JD Drew that felt like if they weren't 100% they couldn't contribute to the best of their abilities?

 

[EverettMike]

I guess I would be characterized as a Rask Lover, but agree with most of what you said. He needs to be better for the B's to have any chance and also to justify his salary.

I just can't get on board with all the amateur psychologists here and their rampant speculation about his mental toughness. I believe he has something that's been physically bothering him for awhile now. He was very good earlier in the season and then the wheels came off a bit, so a physical problem makes sense.

He could just be one of those guys like JD Drew that felt like if they weren't 100% they couldn't contribute to the best of their abilities?

Didn't you just do to JD Drew what you are accusing others of wrongly doing with Rask?

(I think it's fine to theorize about Drew, it's called being a fan.)

Your opinion on Drew is based on you watching him for years and what you surmised about his personality/toughness based on those observations. That's exactly what some people are doing with Rask.

 

[Dupell6]

Credit where credit is due...huge performance by Tuukka last night. Especially at the end of the second and that save on Benn after we had just scored.

 

[Kate08]

I'm glad I was one of the few that said to go back with Rask.

People really voted to give the net to Dobby? Really?

Rask says: eat that.

You know what makes this place really difficult sometimes?

It can be hard to enjoy a win because you have a group of people that take anything good that has happened as an excuse to tell others who have voiced concerns how wrong they are.

Being critical of a player is not a bad thing. It is not a desire to see a player, or the team, fail. There is a severe lack of middle ground around these parts, and it's incredibly tiresome.

It's possible to be concerned with Rask's performance late in the season, concerned with potential mental toughness, and concerned with missing some key games WITHOUT WANTING TO SEE HIM FAIL.

You know what might be worse than the " poster X is more interested in being right than seeing the team have success" thing that gets thrown around all the time? Taking anything good or positive that happens and using it to disprove any valid concern that may have been raised.

Negative nancies or posters with perceived agendas might make this place pretty ******, but I'd argue the flip side is what can make it insufferable.

Living in the middle is a wonderful thing. Why does everything need to be so goddamn extreme all the time?

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Would be an eye opening experiment to follow some folks around their work place for 6 months to monitor performance while on the job. It's ratified air to be able to deliver peak performance every day you clock in. Wonder how co-workers and employers would react to having free reign to provide critical published feedback on how they rate that individuals effort day to day?

Also overlooked with Rask is how many games he delivered wins early in the season when the bruins struggled to get out of their own way. Classic "what have you done for me lately" short term critique.