Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part III - MOD WARNING 671

[JOKER 192]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

This x 1000

 

[jgatie]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

I'm sure there are some here labeled "haters" who will point to the many times they have praised Tuukka in the past. I'm just as sure there are some who can't point to any times they have praised him in the past. It is they who deserve the title "hater".

Now, let's see who steps up!

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I don't hate him ( I save my hate for you know who) but I've always had my doubts about his mental toughness. Nothing I've ever been able to pinpoint just something that has nagged at the back of my mind. Now add literally not showing up for an extremely important game two seasons in a row and it is to the point where I have no confidence in him at all.

Elite talent absolutely but something is wrong mentally.

Last season before the finale, it was reported that he couldn't go more than a short period of time without something coming out one end or the other. This would likely be an issue if you wanted a guy to play goal at a high level for 60 minutes.

This year, we have literally no idea what the injury is/was, or how long he has had it.

You can speculate all you want, but there is zero evidence for your statements about his mental toughness. It's a theory, not fact.

I think that for $7m+ and given how he has performed in the past, fans have every right to say that Rask needs to be better when he's in there. However, seeing as we have no idea what's wrong with him, I don't think fans should be questioning it if he says he can't go.

Last time I checked, the Preds are better than the Isles for the season (89 vs 82 pts) and have played better of late (7-2-1 vs 4-5-1), so if Rask was going to "tap out" of a pressure situation, wouldn't he have been better off bagging on the NAS game instead of NYI?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Last season before the finale, it was reported that he couldn't go more than a short period of time without something coming out one end or the other. This would likely be an issue if you wanted a guy to play goal at a high level for 60 minutes.

This year, we have literally no idea what the injury is/was, or how long he has had it.

You can speculate all you want, but there is zero evidence for your statements about his mental toughness. It's a theory, not fact.

I think that for $7m+ and given how he has performed in the past, fans have every right to say that Rask needs to be better when he's in there. However, seeing as we have no idea what's wrong with him, I don't think fans should be questioning it if he says he can't go.

Last time I checked, the Preds are better than the Isles for the season (89 vs 82 pts) and have played better of late (7-2-1 vs 4-5-1), so if Rask was going to "tap out" of a pressure situation, wouldn't he have been better off bagging on the NAS game instead of NYI?

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but the NYI game was clearly a higher pressure situation because there's the potential for them to actually catch us in the standings whereas a loss to the Preds would "only" deprive the Bruins of 2 points.

But yeah I agree about Rask. I think it's just unfortunate timing for him. I have medical problems that recently caused me to miss several days of work so I can empathize. It's not as simple as saying "well he makes X dollars so he should man up". No amount of money is going to get you to suit up and **** your goalie pants.

I also can't stand the "he doesn't show up in big games" argument. Every game in the 2013 playoffs was big and his stats at the end were even better than Timmy's vaunted 2011 run. yes they blew the lead in game 6, but the team was hanging by a thread at that point with Bergy and Horton injured and not enough depth to backfill them. Wasn't all on Rask. But you cannot make the "doesn't show up in big games" argument while ignoring how he completely shut down the Pens in the ECF. 2 goals in 4 games against arguably the best offense in the world at the time.

 

[Tampbear]

Last season before the finale, it was reported that he couldn't go more than a short period of time without something coming out one end or the other. This would likely be an issue if you wanted a guy to play goal at a high level for 60 minutes.

This year, we have literally no idea what the injury is/was, or how long he has had it.

You can speculate all you want, but there is zero evidence for your statements about his mental toughness. It's a theory, not fact.

I think that for $7m+ and given how he has performed in the past, fans have every right to say that Rask needs to be better when he's in there. However, seeing as we have no idea what's wrong with him, I don't think fans should be questioning it if he says he can't go.

Last time I checked, the Preds are better than the Isles for the season (89 vs 82 pts) and have played better of late (7-2-1 vs 4-5-1), so if Rask was going to "tap out" of a pressure situation, wouldn't he have been better off bagging on the NAS game instead of NYI?

I completely agree with the bolded, I do have to disagree with your last statement, regardless of what kept Rask out the NY game was far more important. It was the game that said this team is different and won't go on a tailspin in the middle of March. Losing the Predators game would likely have brought back some doubt but the Islanders win brought hope back in a growing panic by ending the losing streak.

Had we lost that game the Nashville game would still be less important because at that point hope would have really been lost and expectations would likely no longer be the playoffs.

 

[bruins repeat time]

Well we had Jones but we chose to move him . Now we are in no position to change rask for anyone . Sure we could probably find one of your expert advanced stat guy who is currently doing better but here is guessing he will all of a sudden fail in the advanced stat category.

I understand the concern with missing games of importance but he has also played games with a lot more pressure so you can say he doesn't play through certain things and that could be true but so what really I am guessing we had a better chance with A.K Saturday so he got some healing , mental rest and physical rest . He has played a ton this yr and if you listened to Cassidy yesterday he said some goalies can be played a ton and respond well and some including tuukka cant .

Why do we have to make it about so much more than what Cassidy said.

 

[bruins repeat time]

I completely agree with the bolded, I do have to disagree with your last statement, regardless of what kept Rask out the NY game was far more important. It was the game that said this team is different and won't go on a tailspin in the middle of March. Losing the Predators game would likely have brought back some doubt but the Islanders win brought hope back in a growing panic by ending the losing streak.

Had we lost that game the Nashville game would still be less important because at that point hope would have really been lost and expectations would likely no longer be the playoffs.

You are right the nyi game was more important . It also would've been tuukka 4th in 6 nights . For whatever reason A.K gave us a better chance that night . In the playoffs the schedule is never as packed in as a regular season. If tuukka gets a night off in those 3 in 4 we probably don't have this situation . Too make such a big deal about a guy who is constantly carrying a big work load for us is ridiculous.

 

[Hali33]

Of course the NYI is more important. It's a double whammy for the standings.

You lose against the Preds, it sucks because you need the 2 points. The end.

You lose against the Islanders it sucks more because you don't get the 2 points AND you hand your direct competition 2 points. The Islanders were the exact team the Bruins were battling for the WC spot.

This should not be a revelation to anyone here and to pretend to be obtuse to that is bizarre.

 

[TMac21]

Anyone else have a desire to watch Shawshank Redemption after reading this last page?

 

[NDiesel]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

This is reasonable.

I just don't buy that he's faking injuries/not playing through injuries he should be able to.

For the record do all you posters questioning him being sick last year and injured against the Isles realize he played in game 81 last year against the Red Wings (the team who tied us and took our playoff spot) and let in two goals for the win?

 

[CDJ]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

False


You are a hater if you speculate over injuries and illness that you know nothing about and would rather see him in net when he's been physically compromised

His performance the last couple months is fair game

 

[Daishi]

"After Rask, no matter the cost" is pretty wonderful too.

"No matter the cost." What cost? A meaningless debate on an internet message board?

Don't act like posting here is meaningless to you. It's pretty clear you're emotionally very invested in all this. And you're one of those guys who love to be right. Your last ten posts are childish attempts at defending yourself and taking mock offense.

Your hatred, but let's call it criticism, towards Rask is highly irrational and not based on actual facts. Even when you are on to something, you need to work on the tone of your writing. It's not far fetched given your recent post history to suggest that you'd rather be proven right than be proven wrong. Being proven wrong in this case means that Rask shows he can handle the pressure and that the Bruins make the playoffs.

 

[Dr Hook]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

No, no, I am not taking it that far. There is some silly stuff flying around this thread. I like Tuuka, he's good enough for me, but it's fine by me if you don't feel that way and I don't think anything is wrong with you for it. There are some on this board, though, and not just about Tuuka, for whom certain players will never be good enough and they'll concoct just about any reason to "prove" it. Likewise some are blind to flaws in players and concoct any sort of excuse to "prove" it. Just too much hyperbole.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

This thread today reminded me of Red Sox beat reporters claiming war on anyone who criticizes a player.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Don't act like posting here is meaningless to you. It's pretty clear you're emotionally very invested in all this. And you're one of those guys who love to be right. Your last ten posts are childish attempts at defending yourself and taking mock offense.

Your hatred, but let's call it criticism, towards Rask is highly irrational and not based on actual facts. Even when you are on to something, you need to work on the tone of your writing. It's not far fetched given your recent post history to suggest that you'd rather be proven right than be proven wrong. Being proven wrong in this case means that Rask shows he can handle the pressure and that the Bruins make the playoffs.

The only "hatred" I have perceived is you attacking this poster.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Don't act like posting here is meaningless to you. It's pretty clear you're emotionally very invested in all this. And you're one of those guys who love to be right. Your last ten posts are childish attempts at defending yourself and taking mock offense.

Your hatred, but let's call it criticism, towards Rask is highly irrational and not based on actual facts. Even when you are on to something, you need to work on the tone of your writing. It's not far fetched given your recent post history to suggest that you'd rather be proven right than be proven wrong. Being proven wrong in this case means that Rask shows he can handle the pressure and that the Bruins make the playoffs.

Damn, dude.

 

[EverettMike]

Don't act like posting here is meaningless to you. It's pretty clear you're emotionally very invested in all this. And you're one of those guys who love to be right. Your last ten posts are childish attempts at defending yourself and taking mock offense.

Your hatred, but let's call it criticism, towards Rask is highly irrational and not based on actual facts. Even when you are on to something, you need to work on the tone of your writing. It's not far fetched given your recent post history to suggest that you'd rather be proven right than be proven wrong. Being proven wrong in this case means that Rask shows he can handle the pressure and that the Bruins make the playoffs.

Haha. Fantastic.

I'm really worked up over this! Wonderful.

 

[Daishi]

Haha. Fantastic.

I'm really worked up over this! Wonderful.

I see you've worked yourself from grief to acceptance.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Of course the NYI is more important. It's a double whammy for the standings.

You lose against the Preds, it sucks because you need the 2 points. The end.

You lose against the Islanders it sucks more because you don't get the 2 points AND you hand your direct competition 2 points. The Islanders were the exact team the Bruins were battling for the WC spot.

This should not be a revelation to anyone here and to pretend to be obtuse to that is bizarre.

With the situation the B's are in, every game is huge, regardless of the opponent. Also, Nashville is better than the Islanders and Rask held them to one goal.

As I said before, if people want to complain that Rask has not lived up to his contract the last couple of years, I can understand that. I just think all this talk about his lack of mental toughness and not playing through injury...is just that, talk.

 

[bobbyorr04]

And apparently anyone who doesn't agree with this sentiment is a hater.
I like Tuukka but he hasn't been good enough for me, not for a while now. I need him to be better. If he can't be better then I need someone else in the net who can be. Shocking!

Why are most fans who criticize Rask, labeled Rask haters by certain posters???

Why can’t there be no in between.

A fan who isn’t happy with the way a certain player is performing doesn’t necessarily mean that he or she hates that particular player, but is just displeased with their performance.

I personally, am first and foremost an avid Bruin's fan who wants them to win as many games as possible and hopefully another Stanley Cup soon, so if I observe a player on the team who is not playing up to his potential for whatever reason, and decide to voice my displeasure on this board, does that mean I hate that particular player?....of course not, but to some fans I guess it does!

I think most fans who criticize players for one reason or another are mostly doing so because they are hoping for an eventual return to the SC finals, and become frustrated when they see a player or players who are not performing up to their capabilities, because they are holding back the team from reaching their ultimate goal.

So is it possible that they don’t really hate the player, but just love the Bruins and wish the best for the team's success?

 

[CDJ]

With the situation the B's are in, every game is huge, regardless of the opponent. Also, Nashville is better than the Islanders and Rask held them to one goal.

As I said before, if people want to complain that Rask has not lived up to his contract the last couple of years, I can understand that. I just think all this talk about his lack of mental toughness and not playing through injury...is just that, talk.

Precisely my thoughts


Like are people really trying to tell me the guy who held arguably the 2 best players in the world scoreless for a playoff series is too scared to play in game 73 or whatever it was?

its asinine

I know rationality isn't always a strong point around here but cmon

 

[bobbyorr04]

Precisely my thoughts


Like are people really trying to tell me the guy who held arguably the 2 best players in the world scoreless for a playoff series is too scared to play in game 73 or whatever it was?

its asinine

I know rationality isn't always a strong point around here but cmon

Ancient history, although I'd love to see Rask regain that magic once again.

 

[CDJ]

Ancient history, although I'd love to see Rask regain that magic once again.

Its not ancient history as it pertains to his mental makeup. The dude has played in the cup and played well, he's not scared of game 75 against a mediocre team. He was legitimately not physically confident in himself- couple that with his bad play leading up to it and I don't want him in there. Let him rest. There are better teams to play, and he just beat one of them

Quite frankly if anybody seriously thinks that he opted out because he's scared then I do question their agenda. Because it's that preposterous, especially when he's back in there against a better team the next game and playing a lot better than he had

Maybe he was actually banged up to the point where he felt he would be ineffective and the extra few days helped him........nawwwwww that would be crazy

 

[Trap Jesus]

 

[Seidenbergy]

That site is laughable. I'm starting to believe you get some kind of commission from it though, given how much you keep plugging it.