Rumor: TSN Insiders - Vancouver actively looking for a 20 goal scorer

[Gavy]

Yikes, I wouldn't even accept JVR and Gardiner for JV alone.

People are forgetting how extremely high his potential is.

Good thing Vancouver management is more patient than the fans

I seriously have no idea if thus is serious. Seems like it has to be satire but then I see you're a Canuck and Leaf fan.

 

[Srsly]

Yikes, I wouldn't even accept JVR and Gardiner for JV alone.

People are forgetting how extremely high his potential is.

Good thing Vancouver management is more patient than the fans

Because signing Ericsson and Miller screamed patience. Honestly, Vancouver management seems to be in some deep rooted denile fueled by delusions that it's still 2010.

 

[ToneBone03]

Do you guys seriously believe this is the type of deal that acquires a top pairing defender? I won't even touch the Virtanen value, seeing as this doesn't even get you close to a top pairing defender.

Tanev (#2D) > Gardiner (#3D)
JVR (#1LW) >>>>> Virtanen (Bottom-6)

Seems like pretty fair value to me. Gardiner is a great defenseman.

EDIT: I guess I should say that I don't think very highly of Virtanen. He's Dustin Brown-lite.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Do you guys seriously believe this is the type of deal that acquires a top pairing defender? I won't even touch the Virtanen value, seeing as this doesn't even get you close to a top pairing defender.

A 1st line, 60 pt winger and a top-4 defenseman for a sub-30 pt top pairing defenseman and a project prospect?
Maybe Toronto adds something small but its not far off.

 

[stuffradio]

So a # 3 plus a top line winger for a #2 and a prospect bordering on being a bust doesn't get you close?

He's 20. We might as well declare Matthews a bust right now since he only scored 4 goals once by your logic.

 

[Gavy]

A 1st line, 60 pt winger and a top-4 defenseman for a sub-30 pt top pairing defenseman and a project prospect?
Maybe Toronto adds something small but its not far off.

Toronto doesn't add anything. JVRs value over JV far outweighs Tanev value over Gardiner

 

[Brock Radunske]

Yikes, I wouldn't even accept JVR and Gardiner for JV alone.

People are forgetting how extremely high his potential is.

Good thing Vancouver management is more patient than the fans

Haha seriously? Maybe you can trade him for MDC.

 

[Gavy]

He's 20. We might as well declare Matthews a bust right now since he only scored 4 goals once by your logic.

Did you forget where Virtanen was drafted? He is bordering on bust material.
Btw that's your logic, not mine

 

[Peter Griffin]

I really wouldn't be surprised if the play of Troy Stecher and addition of Gudbranson leads Benning to believe that Chris Tanev is expendable and he moves him for a middling 20 goal scorer.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Tanev (#2D) > Gardiner (#3D)
JVR (#1LW) >>>>> Virtanen (Bottom-6)

Seems like pretty fair value to me. Gardiner is a great defenseman.

Gardiner is a #4 on an actual good team. Virtanen has potential way above what he is, especially at 20 years old.
JVR signed for one season is a terrible return for Tanev. You can try sell the idea some more. I'll bet 10/10 Canucks fans will laugh you off, tell you the return is one of the three players you value so highly on that potential or no deal.

25 pages. 3 threads now, and Canucks fans are called out for their overvaluing of players. Lol. Continue please I'm curious how a used car salesmen sells a lemon and calls it gold. It's quite fun now.

 

[stuffradio]

Did you forget where Virtanen was drafted? He is bordering on bust material.
Btw that's your logic, not mine

I assure you I didn't forget where he was drafted. You're the one saying he is bordering on bust right now, not me.

 

[Russian Factor]

[in the most calm and reasonable voice possible] Christopher Kunitz has once scored 35 goals

 

[Cquant]

So a # 3 plus a top line winger for a #2 and a prospect bordering on being a bust doesn't get you close?

If he is practically a bust why do you include him in trade discussions? He clearly has value, else you wouldnt be trying to trade for him.

We aren't saying that value is off, just that we don't want those players coming back. Partially because of their being overused in other proposals.
We dont want JVR and Gardiner for Tanev, because that cost is too high and doesn't make us better long term or short term (we're not exactly contending). We don't want to sell off Virtanen either. If you want Virtanen/Tanev then it's going to hurt your prospect pool.
Both franchises are rebuilding. Neither franchise wants to sell of young players of value, neither franchise wants to overpay. Neither franchise wants to sell off assets that are at their lowest value.

You don't see Vancouver trying to get Marner by offering Edler. Let's stop these JVR proposals, try something new. Its good for the mind

 

[PetterssonSimp]

[in the most calm and reasonable voice possible] Christopher Kunitz has once scored 35 goals

So has Alex Burrows. Wanna trade for him for a 1st rounder?

 

[Gavy]

I assure you I didn't forget where he was drafted. You're the one saying he is bordering on bust right now, not me.

...and you're the one that compared Matthews to Virtanen.

What is a bust to you?
A bust to me is someone who doesn't show that he will live up to his draft spot. Now tell me, has Virtanen been making great strides or has he regressed since his suspension?

 

[HoseEmDown]

Tyler Johnson for Brock Boeser?

 

[Gavy]

If he is practically a bust why do you include him in trade discussions? He clearly has value, else you wouldnt be trying to trade for him.

We aren't saying that value is off, just that we don't want those players coming back. Partially because of their being overused in other proposals.
We dont want JVR and Gardiner for Tanev, because that cost is too high and doesn't make us better long term or short term (we're not exactly contending). We don't want to sell off Virtanen either. If you want Virtanen/Tanev then it's going to hurt your prospect pool.
Both franchises are rebuilding. Neither franchise wants to sell of young players of value, neither franchise wants to overpay. Neither franchise wants to sell off assets that are at their lowest value.

You don't see Vancouver trying to get Marner by offering Edler. Let's stop these JVR proposals, try something new. Its good for the mind

Can you quote me where I said JV has no value?

Can you also quote me where I include ANY players in any proposal? I merely commented on someone's else's proposal. I also never saI'd the Canucks want JVR or Gardiner, I was commenting on value alone.

I think JV has value and I'd love to have him here because I love the player that he could be but right now he's heading towards bist more than he's heading towards being a top 6 power forward.

Also,you guys aren't rebuilding which I thought was common knowledge.

I'm not going to pretend to know what Vancover needs or wants, but to laugh at a proposal like Gardiner and JVR for Tanev and JV is just ridiculous. I acknowledge that Tanev is a # 2 and better than Gardiner, but JVRs value over JV more than makes up for the difference between Tanev and Gardiner

 

[Cquant]

Can you quote me where I said JV has no value?

Can you also quote me where I include ANY players in any proposal? I merely commented on someone's else's proposal. I also never saI'd the Canucks want JVR or Gardiner, I was commenting on value alone.

I think JV has value and I'd love to have him here because I love the player that he could be but right now he's heading towards bist more than he's heading towards being a top 6 power forward.

Also,you guys aren't rebuilding which I thought was common knowledge.

I'm not going to pretend to know what Vancover needs or wants, but to laugh at a proposal like Gardiner and JVR for Tanev and JV is just ridiculous. I acknowledge that Tanev is a # 2 and better than Gardiner, but JVRs value over JV more than makes up for the difference between Tanev and Gardiner

You called him a nigh on bust. A bust is usually a player with no value. You never said it, but your phrasing implied it. At least to me. "You" is a plural form, in this case I used it to generalise the Toronto fan base. Sorry for that misunderstanding. Wasn't implying you made a trade proposal.

I guess it depends how you judge value. JVR's contract is almost up, that certainly decreases value. I guess perceived value should also be a thing.

 

[MardyBum]

Drew Stafford when he's healthy for a 3rd round pick?

Definition of a 20 goal scorer who does nothing else lol.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I hope we lose every single game until Benning, Weisbrod, and Linden are all gone.

So what we bring in a new management group and ownership tells them the same thing? Do people not understand that ownership is why we aren't rebuilding?

 

[iloveloov*]

Because signing Ericsson and Miller screamed patience. Honestly, Vancouver management seems to be in some deep rooted denile fueled by delusions that it's still 2010.

Signing Eriksson and Miller screamed integrity, dignity, honour, and respect.

If you want to be in a position to draft franchise players then you should be humble and wait your turn, not jump infront of the line by blowing up your team only a few short years removed from contendership president's trophies when other teams have been suffering for longer.

When the Leafs did it it was okay because we've been suffering as fans forever. Same thing with Edmonton.

If the Canucks do it, while STILL having 2 hall of fame players leading their team (albeit old and in decline) and an otherwise pretty solid roster it just screams entitlement. Like, we had the best team in hockey a few years ago and we still have that same core for the most part but let's just blow it up because I'm too impatient to wait for thing to play out naturally.

If that attitude prevails then why would any non-contending team try to win games? Eventually there will be 16 contenders and 15 bottom feeders and the NHL will have 0 integrity left.

So I'm pretty happy with the signing of Eriksson and Miller because the integrity of the game is more important than my team budging in line for shiny new toys.

Haha seriously? Maybe you can trade him for MDC.

It doesn't matter waht Virtanen can get on the market right now because he shouldn't be traded. It would turn out to be as stupid as selling a bunch of shares in Apple in 2004 or trading Cam Neely for a hockey example.

 

[Proust*]

JVR is complete trash. Can't play D, no compete-level, and is soft as butter.

 

[MissionCanucksFan]

Just rebuild already...even the more casual fans are starting to realize that we need to rebuild.

Aquafina won't allow it

 

[eddie416]

Tyler Johnson for Brock Boeser?

Not a chance Vancouver would/should do that

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Aquafina won't allow it

exactly, some of you are truly delusional.