TSN: Grading every teams left wing depth

[Guylovethebuds]

Going by the left wingers, Leafs C and RW will likely be on a lower tier lol.

I think they will rank top 5 in both.
my opinion
LW 18-21
RW 1-3
C 1-3
D 8-11
G 20-23 with room to move fast in either direction

 

[Captain Mountain]

Its pretty interesting, but a lot of GAR/WAR projections do a pretty poor job properly accounting for team situations and usage.

That said, half these comments make it pretty clear people didn't even bother to read the article.

 

[RickChartraw]

lol at this article. lot of RW's listed at LW, and LW's not listed. good stuff.

 

[Sempiternal]

The article would be toilet paper if it was on print.

 

[Guylovethebuds]

The article would be toilet paper if it was on print.

be really expensive and uncomfortable T.P if it wasn't lol just to be sure, the I in I phone does not mean a brown I lol

 

[Darren McCord]

Lol Tampa's is trash. How are they on par with those teams.

Also Pitt has Heinen.

Pitt
Guentzel
Zucker
Heinen
Doc

Is at least as good or better than Tampa

Horrible list

 

[TheDoldrums]

Make an argument for why Toronto has better LW depth than the Pens. Hell, he didn't even get the Pens' LW depth correct.

It's not about the "nerds" getting mad when people like Dom or Yost make rankings, it's that often their rankings are questionable at best.

? I was calling Dom and Yost nerds, not the people disagreeing with them.

My only point was that ascribing bias because it's TSN is misguided. Any writer who highly values the fancy stats will develop rankings that many find questionable. And TSN has plenty of personalities that are a lot more traditional in their evaluation methods, but this is their analytics guy.

 

[bland]

Don't seem to know what they are talking about. Boldy will likely move to LW, his natural position, now that Fiala is gone. Kaprizov, Boldy, Greenway, Duhaime - Dewar is more of a C, while all the others are wings. Anyway, that's a nice blend of scoring, skill, speed, and physicality.

Meanwhile, wouldn't LAK play Fiala on his natural spot, LW? I mean, he can play the offside, but it's not like there is too much talent on the LA LW spot to edge him out.

Overall, seems like a very stupid, lazy, and uniformed bunch of words masquerading as sports journalism.

LA will see:
Fiala (33, 52, 85)
Moore (17, 31, 48)
Iafallo (17, 20, 37)
Lemieux (8, 5, 13)

Iafallo put up the bulk of his numbers before a shoulder injury hampered the second half of the year, and Moore was LAs most productive player from January on after starting in the teams bottom six.

I don't expect Fiala to get out of the 60s if he plays with Kopitar, too many matchup minutes in less advantageous situations. But LW is far from a weakness for the Kings.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think they will rank top 5 in both.
my opinion
LW 18-21
RW 1-3
C 1-3
D 8-11
G 20-23 with room to move fast in either direction

That wouldn’t surprise me either, as it makes sense, the left wingers not so much.

 

[Unspecified]

Dallas is in the Tier 2 spot? Outside of Robertson and Marchment now sure how our depth at LW is so high.

 

[Guylovethebuds]

That wouldn’t surprise me either, as it makes sense, the left wingers not so much.

IMO all we really needed to be real cup contenders was a big gritty LW who can score and pray that Murray refinds his game here.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Its pretty interesting, but a lot of GAR/WAR projections do a pretty poor job properly accounting for team situations and usage.

That said, half these comments make it pretty clear people didn't even bother to read the article.

I read it, using WAR like you said.

Also says weighing top 2 at 62% and bottom 2 at 38%.
Also says Ottawa with DeBrincat gives them a ferocious top 6.

Then ranks Bunting, Kerfoot ahead of Tkachuk and DeBrincat.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Given that the numpty who made this list not only doubled down on Kane being a RW but is now arguing with randos on Twitter about it, I don't think there is much value to it unless someone has a need for toilet paper.

 

[BadBruins]

Are they taking into account that he’s going to miss the first few months of the season so they don’t list him?

Considering it's a list grading "depth", I'm not sure how you can leave him out? Does he not still play a factor in the Bruins organizational depth at LW? Even if he takes the full 6 month recovery time, that puts him at a potential return of mid-late November? Not to mention there are always variables in play that could shorten or lengthen that recovery time (some speculating he's aiming to be on the ice for training camp). Also just seems odd to not mention it at all if that's the case. Not even a small burb on one of the best left wingers being absent.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I read it, using WAR like you said.

Also says weighing top 2 at 62% and bottom 2 at 38%.
Also says Ottawa with DeBrincat gives them a ferocious top 6.

Then ranks Bunting, Kerfoot ahead of Tkachuk and DeBrincat.

Well, he ranks Bunting, Kerfoot, Engvall and Simmonds ahead of Tkachuk, DeBrincat, Formenton and Kelly. Which makes sense using the parameters provided. I wouldn't agree considering I think a lot of Buntings stats are based on playing with Matthews and Marner (properly accounting for team situation and usage), but we don't know how significant the difference is. There's also some overrating of Ottawa's group among people. Its still better, but its not as ridiculous as, say, Saad, Buchnevich and Barbashev being in tier 1 (unless you buy Buchnevich and Barbashev both had breakout seasons at 26/27).

 

[Golden_Jet]

Well, he ranks Bunting, Kerfoot, Engvall and Simmonds ahead of Tkachuk, DeBrincat, Formenton and Kelly. Which makes sense using the parameters provided. I wouldn't agree considering I think a lot of Buntings stats are based on playing with Matthews and Marner (properly accounting for team situation and usage), but we don't know how significant the difference is. There's also some overrating of Ottawa's group among people. Its still better, but its not as ridiculous as, say, Saad, Buchnevich and Barbashev being in tier 1 (unless you buy Buchnevich and Barbashev both had breakout seasons at 26/27).

It doesn’t make sense, when you look at his weighting criteria.

 

[TGWL]

Quite possibly one of the dumbest articles I've read recently.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It doesn’t make sense, when you look at his weighting criteria.

Sure it does. Its the weighting criteria itself is what doesn't make much sense.

 

[Profet]

They use their natural position, regardless of if they play there off side now . He’s listed as a LW most places

Tell that to Lafreniere

 

[Three On Zero]

Tell that to Lafreniere

I already admitted they even got that wrong when I looked at more players lol, list is just terrible

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

this might be one of the worst rankings I've seen. I can't believe how bad it is...

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rangers have average LW depth? LMAO

Kreider
Panarin
Lafreniere
Blais
Hunt

That’s #1 in the league

Then there’s Goodrow and Kravtsov who play LW often

Someone explain to me how Bunting, Kerfoot, Engvall, and Simmonds is better than NYR’s LW depth when half of these guys aren’t even LW?

Or Palat, Sharangovich, Johnsson, Wood

Or even Tkachuk, Verhaeghe, Lomberg, and Cousins who are listed two tiers above NYR

They don’t have Lafreniere listed

 

[Golden_Jet]

They don’t have Lafreniere listed

We know, Yost says he plays on the right on twitter, where he’s getting carved.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Lol at the list , Toronto’s ahead of Ottawa, Winnipeg , Boston and some others.
That’s a bad list.

It is the Toronto sports network

 

[CBJx614]

I think "technically" Laine plays LW, in which case... Gaudreau + Laine >>>>>> the rest of the NHL LW depth.

Having said that, Laine will likely be tried at RW with Gaudreau to start the season, at least 5v5. Hes gonna be glued to the left circle during the PP though.