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CrazyDuck4u said:
He's on a very short leash. One 5 to 7 game losing streak. He's gone
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I dunno. In his first year as Ducks' head coach in 2019-20, I didn't like him. I thought he was on a short leash after that season. But when I looked at his 2020-21 season, the team on the ice was always competing. We were involved in so many 1-goal games with a terrible PP unit. Although I still wasn't enamored by Eakins, I was quite impressed that the team always competed in his sophomore coaching season with the Ducks. Finally, with more talent available and with better PP assistant coaches, the team skyrocketed to the top of the Pacific.

Another aspect to liking Eakins is his ability to help players improve, both youth and old. Des went from strictly a pugilist to a PK staple and 4th liner who can chip in goals. Hakanpaa went from stay-at-home defense to a pinching D-man. Of course, the youngings have shown progress as well. Lundy is our best defensive forward at age 22. Zegras and Drysdale took huge steps in their first full season in the NHL. Eakins was patient with Terry and was rewarded with that patience.

With all that said, I don't know if Eakins is the future coach b/c new GM's tend to have eyes their guy in mind. Since we're still in a rebuild/development mode, Verbeek is okay with Eakins and see if Eakins is a right fit for the future of the club. Our blue line defense is suspect and you can't blame Eakins for that, but it really doesn't matter b/c if Verbeek does have a coach in mind, then it'll be done after the season.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
I dunno. In his first year as Ducks' head coach in 2019-20, I didn't like him. I thought he was on a short leash after that season. But when I looked at his 2020-21 season, the team on the ice was always competing. We were involved in so many 1-goal games with a terrible PP unit. Although I still wasn't enamored by Eakins, I was quite impressed that the team always competed in his sophomore coaching season with the Ducks. Finally, with more talent available and with better PP assistant coaches, the team skyrocketed to the top of the Pacific.

Another aspect to liking Eakins is his ability to help players improve, both youth and old. Des went from strictly a pugilist to a PK staple and 4th liner who can chip in goals. Hakanpaa went from stay-at-home defense to a pinching D-man. Of course, the youngings have shown progress as well. Lundy is our best defensive forward at age 22. Zegras and Drysdale took huge steps in their first full season in the NHL. Eakins was patient with Terry and was rewarded with that patience.

With all that said, I don't know if Eakins is the future coach b/c new GM's tend to have eyes their guy in mind. Since we're still in a rebuild/development mode, Verbeek is okay with Eakins and see if Eakins is a right fit for the future of the club. Our blue line defense is suspect and you can't blame Eakins for that, but it really doesn't matter b/c if Verbeek does have a coach in mind, then it'll be done after the season.
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Thats why I think hes on a short leash..
 
CrazyDuck4u said:
Thats why I think hes on a short leash..
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This is a rebuild/development season. Are you expecting this team to compete for the Pacific Division and make the playoffs outright? If not, then why would there be a short leash? Verbeek can use him for the whole season to continue to develop the youths and then start off clean with a new coach next season, if we're done with the rebuild/developmental program.

With many on here believing there's going to be a fire sale, version 2.0 at the TDL, why rock the boat this season at all? We have three D's whose contracts end this season in Klingberg, Kulikov, and Shattenkirk. It kinda mirrors last season's setup with UFA to be, which includes F Grant and G Stolarz this season too.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
This is a rebuild/development season. Are you expecting this team to compete for the Pacific Division and make the playoffs outright? If not, then why would there be a short leash? Verbeek can use him for the whole season to continue to develop the youths and then start off clean with a new coach next season, if we're done with the rebuild/developmental program.

With many on here believing there's going to be a fire sale, version 2.0 at the TDL, why rock the boat this season at all? We have three D's whose contracts end this season in Klingberg, Kulikov, and Shattenkirk. It kinda mirrors last season's setup with UFA to be, which includes F Grant and G Stolarz this season too.
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Samuelies want a winning team...Verbeek has alot of pressure on him to bring that.. Otherwise he would not sign 2 Free Agents.. Ducks want to win now..
 
CrazyDuck4u said:
Samuelies want a winning team...Verbeek has alot of pressure on him to bring that.. Otherwise he would not sign 2 Free Agents.. Ducks want to win now..
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Ohhh... I guess that defines the differences in our opinions. If Verbeek wants to win now, then Eakins is on a short leash. I just don't think we're in win-mode this year.

Lost................... Replacement​
C Getz -----> C/W Strome (FA signing)​
W Milano --> W Vatrano (FA signing)​
W Rakell ---> C/W McTavish (draftee, 19 yrs old)​
W Des ------> ?​
C Steel -----> ?​
LD Lindholm ---> RD Klingberg​
RD Manson -----> LD Kulikov​

The defensive replacement is odd b/c we needed two defensive, shutdown types to mimic last year's rise to the playoffs, but also the line chemistry is wack. We needed a shutdown RD to pair with Fowler at a minimum to keep Fowler at his optimum. Klingberg's a great get in a vacuum, but with our blue line construction, it's gonna be awkward for a bit to see who meshes well.

I really don't know if Verbeek did something with our NHL roster that screams, "We're definitely a playoff bound team today!" We're still missing quality NHL depth at forward and defense too.

I agree with you that Eakins is on a short leash if the goal is to be in the playoffs for sure, but I'll need more convincing b/c our roster construction doesn't reflect it. The FA signings are just to fill roster spots we lost. I don't believe we massively improved our talent from last year. In fact, we're still missing NHL talent and NHL talent depth. It just feels like a repeat of last year of developing the kids.

Youths developing at the NHL level:
RW Terry​
C Zegras​
C/W McTavish​
C Lundy​
W Comtois​
W Jones​
RD Drysdale​
LD Vaaks​
LD Benoit​
LD Mahura​
 
Quack Shot said:
Eakins will make it through the season as long as there’s not a really good coach that becomes available unexpectedly.
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Agreed. There's no reason for him to be canned at this point. Stability behind the bench would go a long way to support the young players.
 


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Also saw this quote from Terry and it is perfect. "The skill won't come out unless we work hard. Teams are going to work hard against us, they're gonna be in your face. They forecheck hard, they backcheck hard. We have to rise above their work ethic."

Sounds like him and the team at least understand they need to work harder, let's see if they can match words with action.
 
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bsu said:
I'm currently in discussion with a Ducks fan on their Instagram who is stating Troy Terry is too old.
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I mean, if we're this bad and this many years away, you gotta start to ask yourself if he isn't worth more to someone else than he is to us. We're about to triple-dip rebuild.
 
Not trading assets and not trading for assets is functionally the same thing. The opportunity cost is the same.

You don't trade someone because you think they'll get worse. You trade them because they're more valuable to someone else than they are to you.

I'm not seriously advocating trading Terry, but it's not complete nonsense to think about. His 25-27 years are insanely valuable to a contending team, and it's value we seem poised to waste.

If we could cryogenically freeze him so that these insanely valuable prime pre-FA years don't come and go before we can use them to help us contend, that would be great. But we can't.
 
KyleJRM said:
Not trading assets and not trading for assets is functionally the same thing. The opportunity cost is the same.

You don't trade someone because you think they'll get worse. You trade them because they're more valuable to someone else than they are to you.

I'm not seriously advocating trading Terry, but it's not complete nonsense to think about. His 25-27 years are insanely valuable to a contending team, and it's value we seem poised to waste.

If we could cryogenically freeze him so that these insanely valuable prime pre-FA years don't come and go before we can use them to help us contend, that would be great. But we can't.
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It’s not crazy, but it’s also not prudent. The vast majority of late 1st round picks are not going to turn into Terry, and that’s going to be the main asset coming back for him. It might be a different discussion if we had promising forward depth outside of Zegras, but we don’t.
 
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Ducks DVM said:
It’s not crazy, but it’s also not prudent. The vast majority of late 1st round picks are not going to turn into Terry, and that’s going to be the main asset coming back for him. It might be a different discussion if we had promising forward depth outside of Zegras, but we don’t.
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I don't necessarily disagree but there's a difference between "promising" and "is." Terry has arrived, he's a star player, say maybe like a prime Vanek or a Stumpel or something. Do you build around those guys? No. If Verbeek is looking a another 4-5 years then there's a universe where trading Terry makes sense, and sooner than later.
 
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The Midnight Burrito said:
I don't necessarily disagree but there's a difference between "promising" and "is." Terry has arrived, he's a star player, say maybe like a prime Vanek or a Stumpel or something. Do you build around those guys? No. If Verbeek is looking a another 4-5 years then there's a universe where trading Terry makes sense, and sooner than later.
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Agreed, but adding another Jones, Steel, or Larsson isn’t the stuff dreams are made of. There’s nothing in the prospect pool past Zegras that one can say is safely projecting as a 1st line player. Pay the free agent you have or the ones you’ll have to sign, because Zegras will be completely ineffective as the only star player the next 3 years.
 
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Ducks DVM said:
Agreed, but adding another Jones, Steel, or Larsson isn’t the stuff dreams are made of. There’s nothing in the prospect pool past Zegras that one can say is safely projecting as a 1st line player. Pay the free agent you have or the ones you’ll have to sign, because Zegras will be completely ineffective as the only star player the next 3 years.
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But tankies--which Verbeek is starting to seem like he is--are gamblers. They don't allow themselves to be deterred by the Jones/Steels/Larssons. They want a bunch of pulls at the lever, because that's where the Bedards and the McDavids that will solve all their problems are.

So in a way, Jones/Steel/Larsson really are the stuff of dreams, or rather, the result of dreams.
 
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It's ironic to be downplaying the value of accumulating volume of draft picks in reference to Troy Terry, who is one of the all-time great examples of a volume prospect becoming a star.

But yeah, it'd be hard to make a trade, because the teams that have the assets we want are the teams that aren't in position to take advantage of Terry's present day value any more than we are.

We're just setting fire to value right now. We already wasted Gibson's prime years. He won't be the last at this rate.
 
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