Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[4thline]

He can't sign for what he is worth because the way RFA works in the NHL depresses the value of players coming off their market value for whatever reason. Probably a combination of teams being unwilling to give up the compensation, and GMs knowing that fact.

Correct. All RFA status does right now is ensure that GM's can't force players into truely lowball contracts.

With both mechanism's in place it's not so much free agency with restrictions as the old reserve clause with a pressure valve and a fancy name. This is by design by the league, and imagine they would fight any changes tooth and nail.

 

[WesMcCauley]

A radio guy here says his girlfriend wants to go to a USA med school. It may all just be about him being *****-whipped.

Loool not the first guy if thats true

 

[Gardner McKay]

uh oh Canada has hurt fee fees now

Not gonna lie. I absolutely lost it laughing at this.

 

[New User Name]

American player wants to play for an American team: people act like he insulted their mom's cooking

Famous Canadian player becomes free agent: 74 threads about how the good Ontario boy is coming home to play in The True Hockey Mecca

Imagine a Canadian player stating he didn't want to play in the states. hfboards would explode with Americans throwing **** about him.

As for your second comment. Guessing it's about Stamkos.....he had no intention in coming home. He used Leafs fans and the Leafs as a bargaining tool to get more $ from Tampa. Didn't work though.

Sadly though many Canadian players DO NOT want to play in Canada.
It's good enough to grow up in, leave Mom and Dad, Sis and Bro and the family dog and come back and visit once a year.

Heck the greatest players in NHL history became US citizens...Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe.
Even the president of the Leafs (Shanahan) is now American.

It's disheartening as a Canadian but it is what it is.

 

[New User Name]

Not gonna lie. I absolutely lost it laughing at this.

Thanks for laughing Mr Mod. mighty big of ya.

 

[PuckG]

uh oh Canada has hurt fee fees now

The only thing hurting right now is Trouba's bank account. Forfeiting a lot of money. Our "fee fees" (wtf) are perfectly fine without Trouba in our country.

 

[wintersej]

Imagine a Canadian player stating he didn't want to play in the states. hfboards would explode with Americans throwing **** about him.

LOL, oh you mean Dougie Hamilton?

 

[wintersej]

The only thing hurting right now is Trouba's bank account. Forfeiting a lot of money. Our "fee fees" (wtf) are perfectly fine without Trouba in our country.

The money he is giving up doesn't mean crap until it hits 12/2.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

LOL, oh you mean Dougie Hamilton?

I thought he just didn't want to play in Boston.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Thanks for laughing Mr Mod. mighty big of ya.

I can't laugh at the phrase, hurt fee fees?

 

[New User Name]

LOL, oh you mean Dougie Hamilton?

Hamilton never said he didn't want to play for an American team. In fact he never asked to be moved. He wasn't happy in Boston for whatever reason(s)

Sweeney said Hamilton did not ask out

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._hamilton_wont_deny_he_wanted_to_leave_bruins

 

[Thai jet*]

The University of Michigan has one of the best Med Schools in the States, Just saying.

It is very hard for foreign students to get accepted in Canadian schools.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's how revisionist history works in some parts.

And how do you think Boston fans reacted to his actions?

I am sure they all got together and hailed how a players rights were put before everything else. All men were created equal that day!

Or....like us.....they were pissed that a player pushed his way out. Nah....pretty sure it's just us and our "fee fee's"

 

[MikeRahl]

You do know how NHL players are taxed right? I guess you could also ignore cost of living as well when looking at different cities.

But do not let facts get in the way of your reality

Yes I am aware of the Jock Tax. You get taxed based on essentially activity days in certain tax jurisdictions. Us Manitoban's have it among the worst in Canada tax-wise.

There is no comparison really between the tax situation between somewhere like Florida and MB. Add in the weather, and the fact that any family members would have to cross borders and it's pretty clear why if someone has a Limited NMC most if not all Canadian teams would be on there. Even past the money issue it just makes life easier.

I would love it if Free Agents made their moves based on hockey decisions because it would make things look pretty great for the Jets. But there are so many other factors it makes things hard.

 

[Stej]

fee-lings. Feelings.

What do you mean by hurt feelings?

 

[aj8000]

Yes I am aware of the Jock Tax. You get taxed based on essentially activity days in certain tax jurisdictions. Us Manitoban's have it among the worst in Canada tax-wise.

There is no comparison really between the tax situation between somewhere like Florida and MB. Add in the weather, and the fact that any family members would have to cross borders and it's pretty clear why if someone has a Limited NMC most if not all Canadian teams would be on there. Even past the money issue it just makes life easier.

I would love it if Free Agents made their moves based on hockey decisions because it would make things look pretty great for the Jets. But there are so many other factors it makes things hard.

I am sure things look much greener on the other side of the fence but it is maybe not as bad as you think it is.

 

[Aceboogie]

Im sure Winny is saying they are in no rush to deal Trouba in order to keep value high and no look desperate. But the Trouba issue is a dark cloud hovering over the team and all the players. It creates a ton of media buzz and distracts the players

The Jets are 3-4 and if they are below .500 by mid november with Trouba still unsigned I bet they make a move. If team was looking ood without him I could see team sticking to their guns and forcing him to sign or sit. But eventually you just got to cut your losses if your team is struggling as a direct result and trade the player for a lower amount. Breathe fresh air into the team to get them going

 

[MikeRahl]

I am sure things look much greener on the other side of the fence but it is maybe not as bad as you think it is.

http://crowesoberman.com/quarterly-infocus/dishing-dimes-and-not-turning-over-too-much-in-taxes/

Bigger numbers (12 million vs 5.5) but for Toronto vs Florida/Texas the difference was 800k.

I'm sure there are other ways to mitigate it (signing bonus, payment schedule etc.).

Honestly, if I was a hockey player the two biggest factors would be the news cycle how working in Canada while doing most of my living in the States. If the Jets General board is to believed, Trouba's fathers legal status might have some effect there.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Im sure Winny is saying they are in no rush to deal Trouba in order to keep value high and no look desperate. But the Trouba issue is a dark cloud hovering over the team and all the players. It creates a ton of media buzz and distracts the players

The Jets are 3-4 and if they are below .500 by mid november with Trouba still unsigned I bet they make a move. If team was looking ood without him I could see team sticking to their guns and forcing him to sign or sit. But eventually you just got to cut your losses if your team is struggling as a direct result and trade the player for a lower amount. Breathe fresh air into the team to get them going

Nah, way off base. It isn't as if he is in the room causing problems, but rather, he is out of sight and mind.

The Jets sold this season as a transition to youth (4 more rookies in the lineup this season) and warned there may be some growing pains. Fans don't have high expectations that need to be soothed by a panic trade. If the GM decides to take a principled position and he doesn't want to trade him by Dec. 1, then he has the full support of ownership and as well from a vast majority of fans. You appear to be reading this situation as poorly as is Overhardt.

 

[MardyBum]

. But the Trouba issue is a dark cloud hovering over the team and all the players. It creates a ton of media buzz and distracts the players

The Jets are 3-4 and if they are below .500 by mid november with Trouba still unsigned I bet they make a move. If team was looking ood without him I could see team sticking to their guns and forcing him to sign or sit.

It isn't, and it doesn't. He's not there, he hasn't been all training camp. It's not like Kane where there were locker room issues. Maurice gets a question once a week about him and just says the same thing over and over. He even said it's nothing like the Ladd/Buff situation because they were leaders and were in the room while the negotiations were going on.

Also, Maurice and Chevy alluded to as many if not more struggles this year then last, as we're getting younger. Chipman is on board, they have zero pressure to make a deal just to win, this year at least.

 

[aj8000]

It creates a ton of media buzz and distracts the players

Really, I was thinking there is not enough buzz out there. We are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for info.

 

[larmex99]

Nah, way off base. It isn't as if he is in the room causing problems, but rather, he is out of sight and mind.

The Jets sold this season as a transition to youth (4 more rookies in the lineup this season) and warned there may be some growing pains. Fans don't have high expectations that need to be soothed by a panic trade. If the GM decides to take a principled position and he doesn't want to trade him by Dec. 1, then he has the full support of ownership and as well from a vast majority of fans. You appear to be reading this situation as poorly as is Overhardt.

The only thing most Jets want to avoid is making a bad deal for JT. The future is bright for Jets Nation and I doubt that there is any real pressure to make a deal that Chevy isn't pretty high on.

 

[syc]

So funny seeing people get mad at him when if it's true he's like 95% of other NHLers.

If you're well off, life is better in America.

Even Canadian kids don't come back to Canada once they hit UFA status. If it's true then good on him for being honest. Its refreshing coming from a league of clones.

 

[aj8000]

So funny seeing people get mad at him when if it's true he's like 95% of other NHLers.

If you're well off, life is better in America.

Even Canadian kids don't come back to Canada once they hit UFA status. If it's true then good on him for being honest. Its refreshing coming from a league of clones.

Well your comment helps the discussion so well. Wonder why I never said it first. Feel sorry for those who are not well off

 

[Aceboogie]

Nah, way off base. It isn't as if he is in the room causing problems, but rather, he is out of sight and mind.

The Jets sold this season as a transition to youth (4 more rookies in the lineup this season) and warned there may be some growing pains. Fans don't have high expectations that need to be soothed by a panic trade. If the GM decides to take a principled position and he doesn't want to trade him by Dec. 1, then he has the full support of ownership and as well from a vast majority of fans. You appear to be reading this situation as poorly as is Overhardt.

You really think its out of sight out of mind? What is every media person asking current jets players after a loss? Imagine every question starts to be about this player who is holding out. What is the elephant in the room? for every player. Players arent just going to forget and ignore a (soon to be) former teammate is having one of longest holdouts for a RFA in years

Everytime they turn on sports (or have it on in locker room). The discussion about Jets immediately goes to Trouba. Every time they pick up a news paper its Trouba

I would think Jets fans would be all over trading Trouba and getting a fresh start right now. Getting that dark cloud removed asap, even if return isnt this dynamite grade A package. If NYR was offering Kreider or Buchnevich +. Wouldnt the Jets rather have an asset thats going to come in and produce while also removing the distraction

I can speak for Oilers but removing Yak who was causing distractions due to requesting trades (not on him, but still caused distractions) bretahed new life into Oilers. For Leafs I think theyll tell you removing Kessel and Phanuef removed those distractions and even if trade was a small loss put them in better position