Speculation: Trouba Contract Discussion Part II

[Puckatron 3000]

It's less believable to me because of things I hear through my own connections.

Oh yeah?

Well I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knew a guy, who went to school with a guy, who bought a dog off a guy, who took a bus with a guy, who doesn't really know anything.

 

[KingBogo]

Here's the thing though. Signing a long term contract might be his quickest way out of Winnipeg if that's what he really wants. He can still want out but sign long term just like Kane did. Signing a bridge deal might actually prolong his time in Winnipeg IMO.

Except you have given up any leverage to force anything to happen other than asking to be traded. Apparently Kane asked to be traded over several seasons. Personally I just don't think Overhardt is the type of agent to give up leverage and tell his player to hope for the best.

 

[Whileee]

I have thought about this scenario as well. I think the Jets want to get Josh onto the lineup this year. If he excels early it gives Chevy even more leverage. I think they like the idea of a Myers - Morrissey pairing and it wouldn't surprise. E if we saw a lot of it in camp and possibly into the season even if Trouba is inked.

I actually like a Morrissey Buff pairing. I think they're both crisp with the puck, mobile and smart. Buff gives Morrissey a bit of room physically.

 

[Bob E]

Here's the thing though. Signing a long term contract might be his quickest way out of Winnipeg if that's what he really wants. He can still want out but sign long term just like Kane did. Signing a bridge deal might actually prolong his time in Winnipeg IMO.

Depends on length of the bridge deal.

A 3 or 4 year bridge deal means he's gone before its up, most likely.

Even a two year deal leads to arbitration and two 1-yr deals to UFA, imo.

Jets want a 6+ deal to control the asset, imo. Trouba signs a bridge the wheels are greased a bit more for a move out of town.

Trouba+Petan (or pick) for Lindholm. Then sign him to a 7-8 yr deal, if they can.

 

[Whileee]

Just saying I think a good player like Ladd would have brought more back in trade had he been signed to similar contract as the one he signed in NY. I think Chevy knew last year he may only keep one of Ladd or Buff. There was lots of discussion on here about it.
Do you disagree with that?

I doubt it. Teams give a contract premium to players they get for free via free agency. They are less excited about trading valuable assets if they have some money to spend on UFAs. By the way, I see that Ladd is pulling in $8 million in actual salary this season. That's a healthy chunk of change.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Depends on length of the bridge deal.

A 3 or 4 year bridge deal means he's gone before its up, most likely.

Even a two year deal leads to arbitration and two 1-yr deals to UFA, imo.

Jets want a 6+ deal to control the asset, imo. Trouba signs a bridge the wheels are greased a bit more for a move out of town.

Trouba+Petan (or pick) for Lindholm. Then sign him to a 7-8 yr deal, if they can.

I doubt Chevy does 3.... No way he does 4.

The most likely outcome after a 2 yr bridge is a long term contract. Not two 1 year deals. Even if what you suggest actually happens he's here 4 more years. Why not sign long term and get paid if it's gonna take 4 years to get out anyway?

Edit: This is assuming he actually wants out of Winnipeg which I am not convinced is true....actually I doubt it TBH

 

[surixon]

I actually like a Morrissey Buff pairing. I think they're both crisp with the puck, mobile and smart. Buff gives Morrissey a bit of room physically.

For some reason I hadn't thought of them as a pairing before but I can definitely see how it could be very effective. Not sure Maurice will trust Josh with the toughest assignments right off the bat but it could be something to look for later in the year.

 

[Aavco Cup]

For some reason I hadn't thought of them as a pairing before but I can definitely see how it could be very effective. Not sure Maurice will trust Josh with the toughest assignments right off the bat but it could be something to look for later in the year.

They played a great game paired together in preseason a few years ago.

 

[surixon]

They played a great game paired together in preseason a few years ago.

Ahh I must have missed that one.

 

[Bob E]

I doubt Chevy does 3.... No way he does 4.

The most likely outcome after a 2 yr bridge is a long term contract. Not two 1 year deals. Even if what you suggest actually happens he's here 4 more years. Why not sign long term and get paid if it's gonna take 4 years to get out anyway?

Edit: This is assuming he actually wants out of Winnipeg which I am not convinced is true....actually I doubt it TBH

He has to be willing to sign a long term deal with Jets in 2 years, though.

This is starting to have a 'Ryan O'Rielly' feel to it for me. Minus the crazy offer sheet. Though that may be coming, who knows.

Let's say Jets wanted $4.5 on a 6 yr deal and Trouba wants $6. Jets move to $5, Trouba moves to $5.5. Neither side wants to move any further, in fact, didn't like moving as much as they did. So they look at bridge deal. Say Jets start at $3, Trouba at $4 on a 2 yr bridge. Even if they moved to $3.5, Overhardt would likely push for as high a 2yr amount as he can to make the qualifying offer as high as possible.

Add in he doesn't want to play anymore with Stu, or switching from right side to left side, then back. Affects his stats, which is how is salary is based. I can see that point of view.

If Trouba signs long term, unless he has bonus clauses, his salary is fixed regardless of usage. Jets will have to pay for that. And pay a lot, IMO.

 

[KCjetsfan]

Being stuck with stu would give him a reasonable reason for wanting out. That alone has probably cost him a million or two over his career. So I don't think it is unbelievable if he did want out.

 

[Whileee]

I think that if Trouba is willing to sign long term, the Jets will find a way to get a deal done. It might wait until after Ristolainen and Lindholm sign and it might be a bit over market value, but they will likely be okay to lock him up.

If Trouba really doesn't want to commit I think the Jets will likely work on trading him and maybe get whatever deal works best for that.

My sense is that if Trouba doesn't want to stay long term the Jets already know that and likely would have traded him by now, but that's just speculation.

 

[mondo3]

It would be hilarious if he signed a long-term deal with a no movement clause. The forum would implode

 

[Daximus]

I think that if Trouba is willing to sign long term, the Jets will find a way to get a deal done. It might wait until after Ristolainen and Lindholm sign and it might be a bit over market value, but they will likely be okay to lock him up.

If Trouba really doesn't want to commit I think the Jets will likely work on trading him and maybe get whatever deal works best for that.

My sense is that if Trouba doesn't want to stay long term the Jets already know that and likely would have traded him by now, but that's just speculation.

Took awhile for them to deal Kane and he didn't want to be in the Peg.
I honestly think he doesn't want to be here and is trying to get a bridge deal done to take him to UFA so he can move on. I just think they are apart on value. My gut is telling me he signs a lower bridge and the Jets deal him with that lower contract.

 

[Rheged]

Except you have given up any leverage to force anything to happen other than asking to be traded. Apparently Kane asked to be traded over several seasons. Personally I just don't think Overhardt is the type of agent to give up leverage and tell his player to hope for the best.

The threat of making requests public is absolutely leverage, it can tank trade value and cause issues with fan support.. At the very least it puts additional pressure on the GM to get a trade done.

Given the way the Kane situation dragged until it became a distraction I don't think you'd see the Jets doing something similar again immediately here. The Org. position would be sign a team / trade friendly contract, do your thing on the ice, and we'll look for the best deal we can. If he really wants to be gone before UFA eligibility that would be the best way for him to go about it.

 

[kylbaz]

Here's the thing though. Signing a long term contract might be his quickest way out of Winnipeg if that's what he really wants. He can still want out but sign long term just like Kane did. Signing a bridge deal might actually prolong his time in Winnipeg IMO.

Good point. If that was the case I'd say sign a long term team friendly deal and we'll move you lol. Better return.

 

[ffh]

freidman with another article in todaysslapshot.com saying trouba might get traded then again he might not. what happened to this guy. reported month or so ago that boston might offer sheet trouba based on bogus article. then reports soon after Detroit might go after him cause he's from there.

 

[DRC]

freidman with another article in todaysslapshot.com saying trouba might get traded then again he might not. what happened to this guy. reported month or so ago that boston might offer sheet trouba based on bogus article. then reports soon after Detroit might go after him cause he's from there.

I don't think Freedman ever got into the offer sheet circus. IIRC it was a Boston beat writer.

 

[lanky]

Here's the thing though. Signing a long term contract might be his quickest way out of Winnipeg if that's what he really wants. He can still want out but sign long term just like Kane did. Signing a bridge deal might actually prolong his time in Winnipeg IMO.

I understand why we're inclined to think a long term deal is better for both parties, but a bridge would give Trouba way more flexibility. Kane and his long term contract got out of Winnipeg, but only on Chevy's terms. Kane didn't pick Buffalo, nor would he have if he was given the choice. He also might have gotten stuck here if the dressing room leaders didn't stand up against his immature behaviour. A bridge contract would give Trouba a guarantee that he gets to pick his future home in 4 years.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Except you have given up any leverage to force anything to happen other than asking to be traded. Apparently Kane asked to be traded over several seasons. Personally I just don't think Overhardt is the type of agent to give up leverage and tell his player to hope for the best.

What leverage? If Trouba sits out I'm sure Chevy won't trade him, just like Maloney. Why should he? According to Overhardt they have not asked for a trade. I don't know what this leverage you speak of is. Why not just ask to be traded if that's what he wants? A bridge deal doesn't help with leverage....not for years.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I understand why we're inclined to think a long term deal is better for both parties, but a bridge would give Trouba way more flexibility. Kane and his long term contract got out of Winnipeg, but only on Chevy's terms. Kane didn't pick Buffalo, nor would he have if he was given the choice. He also might have gotten stuck here if the dressing room leaders didn't stand up against his immature behaviour. A bridge contract would give Trouba a guarantee that he gets to pick his future home in 4 years.

He gives up several million $$$ to do it though.

 

[Aavco Cup]

freidman with another article in todaysslapshot.com saying trouba might get traded then again he might not. what happened to this guy. reported month or so ago that boston might offer sheet trouba based on bogus article. then reports soon after Detroit might go after him cause he's from there.

When did he start writing for them? I thought Friedman was a sportsnet guy?

It was Haggerty and Murphy from Boston who started the offer sheet rumour.

 

[Aavco Cup]

He has to be willing to sign a long term deal with Jets in 2 years, though.

This is starting to have a 'Ryan O'Rielly' feel to it for me. Minus the crazy offer sheet. Though that may be coming, who knows.

Let's say Jets wanted $4.5 on a 6 yr deal and Trouba wants $6. Jets move to $5, Trouba moves to $5.5. Neither side wants to move any further, in fact, didn't like moving as much as they did. So they look at bridge deal. Say Jets start at $3, Trouba at $4 on a 2 yr bridge. Even if they moved to $3.5, Overhardt would likely push for as high a 2yr amount as he can to make the qualifying offer as high as possible.

Add in he doesn't want to play anymore with Stu, or switching from right side to left side, then back. Affects his stats, which is how is salary is based. I can see that point of view.

If Trouba signs long term, unless he has bonus clauses, his salary is fixed regardless of usage. Jets will have to pay for that. And pay a lot, IMO.

First part. If he doesn't sign, what are his options? He will sign...he won't miss the whole year. I think Chevy will be strong like Maloney and won't cave like Columbus.

Second part. What if Overhardt hasn't moved at all?

Third part. Trouba is not eligible for any bonuses. Bonus money is only allowed for ELC and 35+ players or player returning to the league from injury.

 

[Thai jet*]

Ladd

I'm happy with the return on Ladd. I'm not sure we would have goten more by trading him earlier.

I was only questioning how the Trouba situation that we've been duscussing is in any way comparable to Ladd and Buff. I don't see a similarity myself.

I'll try this again. It wasn't my point that trading Ladd earlier would have brought a better return. My point was trading a Ladd with a long term deal would have brought a better return than a pending UFA Ladd. This was something I argued on here a year ago. Do you disagree with that?
The reason it was brought up was a question about whether a bridge Trouba or a long term contracted Trouba would return more.

 

[Thai jet*]

Ladd

I doubt it. Teams give a contract premium to players they get for free via free agency. They are less excited about trading valuable assets if they have some money to spend on UFAs. By the way, I see that Ladd is pulling in $8 million in actual salary this season. That's a healthy chunk of change.

Thanks for your opinion.